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Offline -Major-

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Re: opinions on the ruger
« Reply #260 on: May 25, 2008, 01:42:21 pm »
the ruger is way overpowerd in realistic as it's being as easy as it is.

in normal it's not too overpowerd, but I'd like to have a highered fireinterval than lower damage. as it will be a kill > reload weapon, 1 kill per clip with the lowered damage. while with DE you can easily kill 2 wit hthe same clip. and you can kill up to 3 people (with speed and close combat).

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Re: opinions on the ruger
« Reply #261 on: May 25, 2008, 03:13:45 pm »
That's not really a relevant argument, Major. Nothing states that a semi needs guaranteed ability to kill multiple enemies with one clip.

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Re: opinions on the ruger
« Reply #262 on: May 26, 2008, 05:54:05 pm »
Slightly overpowered in a pro's hands. It takes some skill to use, that is true, but once you master it, it is a powerhouse. I think a little higher fire interval would make it evened out.

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« Reply #263 on: May 26, 2008, 06:37:55 pm »
I dont think ruger needs a nerf, I think short ranged weapons needs a buff. Right now long ranged weapon are better than short ranged weapon at short range. If you boost the power of MP5 and spas, the whole system will be more balanced
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Re: opinions on the ruger
« Reply #264 on: May 26, 2008, 07:06:10 pm »
I think Ruger -10 bink (no bink) is definitely needed.

Short range weapons... they are getting buffs, yes. Right now, once they come close to the Ruger you're as good as dead, especially MP5, so a slight buff like the current 1.5 balance is good enough.

A higher fireinterval can be considered. Sure, no one fires the Ruger as fast as 40 interval, but there are those who aim so well that they can fire almost as fast. For slow aimers, the fireinterval increase is not too much of a problem though.

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Re: opinions on the ruger
« Reply #265 on: June 04, 2008, 04:25:47 am »
In the argument of the ruger's range, I'd say, range is range. If you want max range, get a sniper and don't miss, if you pick a close range weapon, prepare to have to get into close range. What did you expect?

In realistic at least, the average two hits from a ruger will kill in the same amount of time as being under fire from an aug -or any weapon really (at their optimum distance)

The value of the ruger is maneuverability. The fire rate is in sync with the backflip speed, so that you may fire, backflip off the ground, fire again, in the same rate as regular shooting. Same with rolling. What this means is that you only have to be vulnerable to enemy fire for very little time in order to deal your own damage, and you can perform dodges without a lowered fire rate.  The backflip shows your feet to the enemy, which takes less damage than your head (obviously), all while waiting for the next shot. The excellent range and bullet speed allows for effective retreating shots so that you may reload safely if necessary.

The difficulty in aiming mainly comes from the lack tracer shots to guide you. It is impossible to have two shots in the screen at the same time. The recoil demands that you re-aim the weapon after every shot, which may be deadly with a quick or sly enemy. Practice allows for automatic correction of the recoil though; since it isn't automatic, the recoil is relatively constant and can be nullified with precision as a mostly automated process.

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Re: opinions on the ruger
« Reply #266 on: June 04, 2008, 05:01:06 am »
Ehm..No  ruger kills first because of DPS and bullet speed.

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The difficulty in aiming mainly comes from the lack tracer shots to guide you.
Ruger fires in almost in a straight line. You dont need tracers to guide. + most gather players don't need tracers to guide their shots. This may work for average pubbies but it doesnt work with above average players.
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Re: opinions on the ruger
« Reply #267 on: June 04, 2008, 12:40:43 pm »
So are you saying my argument is invalid or that people may supersede it? No one needs anything, if you're going down that line of argument.

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« Reply #268 on: June 04, 2008, 01:32:42 pm »
So are you saying my argument is invalid or that people may supersede it? No one needs anything, if you're going down that line of argument.

The purpose of the balance is to make ruger not excessively hard to use for newcomers, and at the sametime not too overpowered in the hands of pro.


No one needs anything, if you're going down that line of argument.

Yes, you are perfectly capable of aiming without help.
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Re: opinions on the ruger
« Reply #269 on: July 01, 2008, 05:13:39 am »
The ruger is good when you can handle him.
I tried the ruger also a couple of times but i dont have that steady aim
You need 2 shots to kill someone so with 1 clip i can kill 1
the reloading time is good. Really good.
but the bad point is that the accuracy is low when your in the fire of a automatic gun.


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Re: opinions on the ruger
« Reply #270 on: July 11, 2008, 09:45:46 pm »
ruger pwns at realistic and that makes all the phun
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Re: opinions on the ruger
« Reply #271 on: July 19, 2008, 06:14:38 pm »
my opinion on the ruger is that if you go up against someone who knows the ruger up and down back and forth, they are almost IMPOSSIBLE to stop. I mean..unless you camp with the good 'ol barrett...but who does that right? but my opinion on the ruger is it is a powerful weapon. does not bink much...and the moving acc isn't bad. so i think something needs to be changed. maybe less power..and 5 bullets? idk I am not against the ruger at all, i use it myself but thats all i have to say is that it definately is a top weapon. and is a force to be reckon with, if..you know how to use it

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Re: opinions on the ruger
« Reply #272 on: July 19, 2008, 11:36:49 pm »
my opinion on the ruger is that if you go up against someone who knows the ruger up and down back and forth, they are almost IMPOSSIBLE to stop. I mean..unless you camp with the good 'ol barrett...but who does that right? but my opinion on the ruger is it is a powerful weapon. does not bink much...and the moving acc isn't bad. so i think something needs to be changed. maybe less power..and 5 bullets? idk I am not against the ruger at all, i use it myself but thats all i have to say is that it definately is a top weapon. and is a force to be reckon with, if..you know how to use it

I'm also a Ruger-user myself. I'd say that the Ruger, along with DEs, are the two most powerful default weapons in Soldat.

DEs is a top weapon because it can kill in 3 shots, incredible accuracy (no movementacc or bink), fast firing rate and decent ammo. However, it has a low bullet speed which also gives a very awkward angle, making it hard to aim as well as allowing it to shoot at weird angles. It is relatively okay to use DEs, the hardest part would be aiming the DEs.

Ruger is a top weapon because of its great firepower, allowing it to kill in 2 shots, as well as its high bullet speed which allows its usage at long range. It is also very accurate and fighting against a Ruger means you need to change your tactics by quite a whole lot when fighting a Ruger. Now all you need is aim, and it is actually easy to use a Ruger.



Actually, I'd agree that the Ruger is currently a bit overpowered because its damage is too high atm. The amount of ammo will always remain as 4, which is one of the features that make the Ruger unique ; a weapon with very low ammo. The next balance would reduce the damage so that the ratio in which you kill the person in 2  or 3 shots is 50:50. However, the reload is faster and there is no longer any bink. The movementacc and firing rate remains the same.



And, one last thing I'd like to point out: No matter how powerful a weapon may be, the only weapons that stand a chance against any other weapon is a one-hitter.
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Re: opinions on the ruger
« Reply #273 on: July 20, 2008, 12:03:51 am »
Actually STM, worming works.


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Re: opinions on the ruger
« Reply #274 on: July 20, 2008, 12:09:45 am »
Ruger - Mmh..One Of my Favourite Guns.  Used to be my "rape weapon" In 1v1's Lol.  But then i became too much in love with my m79, so now I have to get back to my Ruger skills..
But ya the Ruger..Is I have to say one of the best weapons
If U know how to aim and stuff.

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Re: opinions on the ruger
« Reply #275 on: July 20, 2008, 02:44:32 pm »
Also, regardless of one's accuracy, a percentage of Ruger shots are always discounted by lag

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« Reply #276 on: July 20, 2008, 03:07:37 pm »
Also, regardless of one's accuracy, a percentage of Ruger shots are always discounted by lag
Most people don't count lag as a balance factor, because it's rather.. dumb.


Ruger is going to be nerfed in 1.5 btw.

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Re: opinions on the ruger
« Reply #277 on: July 20, 2008, 08:15:51 pm »
Also, regardless of one's accuracy, a percentage of Ruger shots are always discounted by lag
Most people don't count lag as a balance factor, because it's rather.. dumb.


Ruger is going to be nerfed in 1.5 btw.

It would actually take skill now, I might start to play around with it.
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Re: opinions on the ruger
« Reply #278 on: July 20, 2008, 08:27:50 pm »
I'm glad it's recieving a nerf. As it is, the Desert Eagles(Love these >3), HK (Not often), Barrett, and m79 are the only weapons that can beat this thing close-range. IMO, the ruger should be ineffective to most weapons at close range.

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Re: opinions on the ruger
« Reply #279 on: July 20, 2008, 10:04:29 pm »
well the ruger is a rifle..and a rifle is powerful at most ranges...especially short.