Ask A Christian

[Chariot]

†, what christian demonitation are you

"Demonitation" lol D:

I asked him that awhile ago. He said he's a hippy Christian with no real denomination.

@Psycho, it's hard to believe in a literal translation of the Bible in this modern World. Otherwise you could spend days picking out little bits like that and trying to prove Christians wrong/stupid/hypocrites ot whatever it is you are doing.

[Rhombus]

alt-0134, I have a question:

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39 NASB)

I'm pretty much an illiterate fuck, so I really don't know what all that means. But I thought Jesus was all about love... Why did he bring hate this time? And your signature once said "I'm not christian". Were you lying/joking or did you change your mind? If so, what made you change your mind?

[Psycho]

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I found some snacks from the bible.

If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or daughter, or the spouse whom you embrace, or your most intimate friend, tries to secretly seduce you, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods," unkown to you or your ancestors before you, gods of the peoples surrounding you, whether near your or far away, anywhere throughout the world, you must not consent, you must not listen to him; you must show him pity, you must not spare him or conceal his guilt. No, you must kill him, your hand must strike the first blow in putting him to death and the hands of the rest of the people following. You must stone him to death, since he has tried to divert you from Yahweh your God....

Wanna go serve other gods? *awaits stoning from christian soldats*

Leviticus 20:9: If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.

20:10: If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.

20:13: If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death.

thou shall not kill?

Ephesians 5:22-24: Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

good luck getting a girlfriend that agrees on those terms t ;P

Exodus 21:20-21: If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.

1 Peter 2:13: Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every authority instituted among men.

2:18: Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

Leviticus 25:44-45: Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.

So.. thumbs up on having slaves then.

137:9 How blessed will be the one who grabs your babies and smashes them on a rock!

137:9 Blessed shall he be that taketh thy children and throweth them against the stones.

Please check this up in the bible, is this sh*t for real?

2 Kings 23-25

" From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. "Go on up, you baldhead!" they said. "Go on up, you baldhead!" He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths. And he went on to Mount Carmel and from there returned to Samaria."

I wont ever pick on a bald christian again!

"On six days work may be done, but the seventh day shall be sacred to you as the sabbath of complete rest to the LORD. Anyone who does work on that day shall be put to death."

lets go kill half the world then.

Exodus 21:7"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go free as male slaves do."

eh?


Believe me I have more. tons more, but you get the point.
its not so much of a happy friendly kind religion as you think. and as I have said, by being a christian you cant simply pick away the parts you dont like

[VijchtiDoodah]

why are there so many contradicting things in the bible?

Many people have studied the bible very carefully and found none. Any you have are a misinterpretation of the bible

Matthew 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

Joseph's father is both Jacob and Heli?  Interesting...

[Zero]

@Psycho those are all Old Testament Passage which we don't follow  here's a link to better explain it:

http://www.kc-cofc.org/39th/IBS/Tracts/oldornew.htm

[Graham]

alt-0134, I have a question:

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39 NASB)

I'm pretty much an illiterate ****, so I really don't know what all that means. But I thought Jesus was all about love... Why did he bring hate this time? And your signature once said "I'm not christian". Were you lying/joking or did you change your mind? If so, what made you change your mind?

My sig said "I am not a catholic" because I got tired of people trying to use catholics in debates against me.
Religion has always divided people, you can see that in this thread alone. Jesus knew He would cause divisions, even in your own family. Once a man told me he accepted Christ, told his father, and his father knocked him out and kicked him out of his house and was considered dead to him own family. That passage also talks about being willing to take that suffering for your beliefs.

Psycho its true some of the things int he Bible sound horrible, but you have too take into consideration two things, one it may have been meant for people in a different time where punishment was far more severe, or its maybe its a sort of considering people dead in your mind. I have a friend that I sometimes have to wipe all memories of from my mind because they just fill me with extreme anger, you could call that considering them dead. The Bible speaks very strangely when it comes to peoples role in marrages, you have to research it a bit to understand. The Bible tells both parties to submit to one another. Both roles are to be superior is some parts and both are mean to be humbled in some parts. Having slaves was common practice in some times. Whether you want to admit it or not, now Christians are suppose to respect any authority over them, be it forceful or welcomed. Thats just part of teachings of humility. As for the baby and the rocks... Psalms 137, read it and you will understand. Christians don't hold the sabbath as a day of rest, that is Judaism. As I said before slavery was common, Exodus 21 tells Isaerlites how to treat their slaves. Read up on it a bit, seems as fair as it can get with slavery.

Don't post anything here until you read the entire chapter in which is was taken out of, because the simple fact the Bible was only split up into chapters and versus to help us out, to get the full understanding you have to read, scary... I know...

Vijcht, sometimes in the Bible God changed someones name to better suit them after a certain trail or test they failed or passed. This might be why the names are screwy... I haven't researched that however...

[Psycho]

but why would the basis of a religion change just because the way things are done in our society changes?
its not like if jesus came today he would be wearing jeans and a nike cap.

Also I cant read those chapters because I do not own a bible.

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Also I cant read those chapters because I do not own a bible.

http://www.biblegateway.com/

[VijchtiDoodah]

Vijcht, sometimes in the Bible God changed someones name to better suit them after a certain trail or test they failed or passed. This might be why the names are screwy... I haven't researched that however...

That was just a small sample of the differences between Matthew and Luke's contradictory genealogies for Jesus (or, more accurately, Jacob's) -- it's one of the most famous contradictions in the New Testament because it is irreconcilable. Jacob had a significantly different number of ancestors over the same time period  and few (if any) of the ancestors bear the same names between the two accounts.

The biggest problem, however, is that Jesus Christ must be a descendant of King David to be the messiah -- but if he was born from a virgin, then Jacob is not his true father (as we know) and his genealogy is irrelevant.  He is also thus not the messiah.

[Will]

yeah I see Vij has a point here...

I just don't understand religions. I think that it is up to humans to decide what is right and wrong. I' what you would call an atheist. I don't go to church, don't pray and don't believe in God. I hate how church spends all that money on decorations and **** instead of giving the money to the poor, or maybe the elderly and persons with invalidity.

And I hate when people say that someone believes in Satan and not God. Well how could you believe in satan and not God?? Normal Catholics believe in both, it is just a matter of who you worship. And I hate the mother****ing new pope. I think he will ruin whats left of catholicism... John Paul II was a truly remarkable man. He wasn't constrained by some stupid things like the new one is. Thats why I refuse to say his name... actually I can't even remember, but it's similiar to Bethoven right? Bernard maybe?

[Mangled*]

Most religious people absolutely refuse to hear different opinions of faith, and alot of them get very aggressive when their faith is questioned by others. Often anti-creationist books and atheist books are evaded manically by Christians and are often accused as being the word of Satan.

Do you believe this?

If not do you believe that many Christians behave in such an aggressive way towards atheism because they do not want to question beliefs that they have been brought up with and are afraid of the possibility that they might be forced to come to terms with having less faith than they thought they had and do not want to because they feel all the devotion they have given was a waste of time?

Do you agree that your parents choose your faith and not yourself?

Do you believe the Bible word-for-word, and that the Earth is only 6000 years old and that Gods son (who was also God) was born to a virgin and then was resurrected from the dead after dying?

If you believe in your faith so strongly would you willingly read Richard Dawkins' book: The God Delusion cover to cover with an open mind? (I'm actually reading it at the moment I'm half way through, it's fascinating and goes into quite explicit detail) You may find it interesting because you are obviously very intelligent and well educated.

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[mar77a]

Stop trying to find godamn errors in the Bible and believe in something. I dare you to remain in denial of any god for the rest of your life.

(btw a good starting place is christianism)

[Will]

Yeah the parents choosing your religion is the thing i never understood why. I think thatchildren should not be forced to accept any religion if they don't want to.  Altough this would be almost impossible in pretty much every existing religion.


EDIT: mar77a, I don't believe in God, respect that the same as I respect your religion...

BTW God is spelled with a capital G.
AMIRITE???

[SirJamesaford]

Stop trying to find godamn errors in the Bible and believe in something. I dare you to remain in denial of any god for the rest of your life.

(btw a good starting place is christianism)

You dare us to remain in "denial of any god"?  Your funny... not haha funny but REALLY dumb funny...

[Mangled*]

Stop trying to find godamn errors in the Bible and believe in something. I dare you to remain in denial of any god for the rest of your life.

(btw a good starting place is christianism)

Christianism? Don't you mean Christianity?

I've lived my whole life in denial of God... I even have 'Atheist' tattoed on my forearm.

Good luck with the whole armagedon thing...

[Psycho]

Since this topic is originaly about asking t questions about his belief, What do you think would become of you if you were born into an environment where another belief was very strong and christianity was never spoken of?

Could it be that you would now be on kebabforums.com doing a "ask a muslim" topic? or do you think you would find christianity against all odds

[mar77a]

Stop trying to find godamn errors in the Bible and believe in something. I dare you to remain in denial of any god for the rest of your life.

(btw a good starting place is christianism)

Christianism? Don't you mean Christianity?

I've lived my whole life in denial of God... I even have 'Atheist' tattoed on my forearm.

Good luck with the whole armagedon thing...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianism
http://members.aol.com/plweiss1/aquinas.htm

Good luck with the tatoo 




And I have a question for gram, did you go to a religious school? Where there non-believers in it?

[Graham]

Vij I can't deny I don't have a good answer for you. I admit to not being that smart when it comes to Biblical stories and what-not. I am what I like to call a practical christian. I believe God is real, I have seen in work in my life. However I don't think I need a verse from the Bible to dictate every action I take. I believe Christianity should be about a relationship with God and if you have a good relationship God can show you what do stay away from, where to go, ect.

Most religious people absolutely refuse to hear different opinions of faith, and alot of them get very aggressive when their faith is questioned by others. Often anti-creationist books and atheist books are evaded manically by Christians and are often accused as being the word of Satan.

Do you believe this?

If not do you believe that many Christians behave in such an aggressive way towards atheism because they do not want to question beliefs that they have been brought up with and are afraid of the possibility that they might be forced to come to terms with having less faith than they thought they had and do not want to because they feel all the devotion they have given was a waste of time?

Do you agree that your parents choose your faith and not yourself?

Do you believe the Bible word-for-word, and that the Earth is only 6000 years old and that Gods son (who was also God) was born to a virgin and then was resurrected from the dead after dying?

If you believe in your faith so strongly would you willingly read Richard Dawkins' book: The God Delusion cover to cover with an open mind? (I'm actually reading it at the moment I'm half way through, it's fascinating and goes into quite explicit detail) You may find it interesting because you are obviously very intelligent and well educated.

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Well you could say its satan if someone spends their entire life trying to debunk nothing but Christianity. Its either a mental issue or satan probably. I do believe satan tries his best to destroy the christian beliefs. Though any christian will tell you his efforts are in vain. Example: he tries to frustrate christians into giving bad examples for christianity.

Sometimes people get aggressive because they get tired of people bugging them and calling them ignorant... I have snapped on a few people before I know.

No parents can choose a faith for their kids, they can tell them its for the best but its always up to the kid. Strangely people don't want to admit to this. My parents still to this day don't know when I decided to become a christian, I just told them I am and they believe me, case closed.

Yes I do believe the Bible word for word.

Eh.. maybe, I read up on the book on wikipedia and the points seemed very biased. I doubt he could read a christian book without getting all pissy.

Since this topic is originaly about asking t questions about his belief, What do you think would become of you if you were born into an environment where another belief was very strong and christianity was never spoken of?

Could it be that you would now be on kebabforums.com doing a "ask a muslim" topic? or do you think you would find christianity against all odds

Eh... resorting to hypothetical questions... well I don't know I would love to think I would choose christianity.

mar77a yes I went to both types of schools, I graduated from a baptist school though, and yes we had kids that didn't believe in God. Sometimes dumb parents out their kids in religious school to somehow make them good again... didn't work with the kids I knew.

[Will]

you said: he(satan) tries to frustrate christians into giving bad examples for christianity.

does that mean the new pope=satan?

[Psycho]

another question for you t.
if god is perfect and god made people, why are people sinners and killers