What's wrong with outsourcing ?

[karmazon]

Well ?

[The Geologist]

Imagine this:

Yourself (and others) in a given company have been working in this company for lets say...10 years.  You've established yourself, working up the ranks, etc.  All of a sudden, your job disappears, you and your friends get the boot because those positions have been "outsourced" to another country.  Meanwhile, you and others are left with all of jack squat.


Bull****


Outsourcing is nothing more than another outlet for companies to make more by using cheap labor while 1) being less acccountable for the outcomes and 2) taking advantage of conditions which do not apply within the United States (i.e. the law, whatever that is).

In the end, all you do is take jobs away from the people in the country you live in and give them to people in another country.  What sense does that make?  I'm all about helping out people in other nations, but not at the expense of the workers who toil away for a company based in their own home country. 

Please, tell me why outsourcing is a good thing.

[Xxypher]

Yes, picture you having a wife and three kids, you have a decent well paying job, some bills needing payed off, and some furniture you just bought and started to pay off, then, that job gets outsourced.
Your stuck with NO money, NO way to support your family, NOTHING. You loose your house, your wife leaves you and the kids, and your forced to live on the streets, your parent's house, a friends, or a homeless shelter.
Does that sound nice to you?

[ElephantHunter]

Please, tell me why outsourcing is a good thing.

People in other countries deserve good jobs too, especially if they are willing to work for less. So what if we lazy Americans need to adapt? We can handle working at unique jobs that can not be easily replaced. The healthcare industry is a great example of an industry that will never be outsourced.

[DePhille]

Good Thing: Money and Organisation.
Outsourcing a part of your company makes it less expensive to run. You don't need new people to work for you (and so you don't have to pay taxes for them) which makes a pretty huge diffrence. Also, you don't need people to organise the apart section in your company either. You just send an e-mail to the other company and they handle it, no responsability for you. If you don't like it you simply don't pay them.

Bad Thing: Time and Quality. It usually takes more time to accomplish a task when you assign it to another company. That's because you don't know exactly what is going on. If you assigned it to your own campany you could easily get a status report within the same day and have an idea of when it is finished. However, when you assign it to another company you can't. Also, the other company will only 'give' the product/service when the deadline has been reached, and not before that. Your own company will, for the reasons explained above.
The Quality is also inferior. The other company doesn't have the know-how you have. You know exactly why you will be using the product and such, but the other company doesn't. This means the product/service is not exactly made for what it will be used.

Grtz, DePhille

[a-4-year-old]

Please, tell me why outsourcing is a good thing.

People in other countries deserve good jobs too, especially if they are willing to work for less. So what if we lazy Americans need to adapt? We can handle working at unique jobs that can not be easily replaced. The healthcare industry is a great example of an industry that will never be outsourced.

So that is how you justify mass firings? And you expect people to switch careers in their 40's and 50's. A company can't just abandon their existing workers.

[ElephantHunter]

Please, tell me why outsourcing is a good thing.

People in other countries deserve good jobs too, especially if they are willing to work for less. So what if we lazy Americans need to adapt? We can handle working at unique jobs that can not be easily replaced. The healthcare industry is a great example of an industry that will never be outsourced.

So that is how you justify mass firings? And you expect people to switch careers in their 40's and 50's. A company can't just abandon their existing workers.

They're called layoffs. Companies don't just abandon existing workers. People who get laid off get unemployment benefits.

[Xxypher]

Please, tell me why outsourcing is a good thing.

People in other countries deserve good jobs too, especially if they are willing to work for less. So what if we lazy Americans need to adapt? We can handle working at unique jobs that can not be easily replaced. The healthcare industry is a great example of an industry that will never be outsourced.

So that is how you justify mass firings? And you expect people to switch careers in their 40's and 50's. A company can't just abandon their existing workers.

They're called layoffs. Companies don't just abandon existing workers. People who get laid off get unemployment benefits.

Who cares what they are called, until you or a parent losses a job from this shit, don't say anything.
Why do you think its okay for someone to loose their job?
"Oh hey, we are outsourcing, so your all fired so we can save money, I hope you don't end up on the streets!"

[LtKillroy]

The reason it is wrong is we have laws that ban cheap labor, other countries don't. Companies take advantage of that  and products suffer, and people work in near slave labor conditions to do this. The oppurtunism countries have to get around US laws to get to cheap labor sickens me a great deal.

[ElephantHunter]

One of my best friends is Indian. In India the competition to get to the top is fierce. He's human and deserves a job just as much as any of us, especially if he's better trained and getting paid less to do it.

Who cares what they are called, until you or a parent losses a job from this ****, don't say anything.
Why do you think its okay for someone to loose their job?
"Oh hey, we are outsourcing, so your all fired so we can save money, I hope you don't end up on the streets!"

Let me rephrase: I think it's outsourcing is OK because people who lose their jobs to outsourcing get unemployment benefits. Any American can live without a job. Sure, it's not the high life, but it will get you by until you can learn to adapt. Take this from somebody who's mother was on welfare.

[LtKillroy]

One of my best friends is Indian. In India the competition to get to the top is fierce. He's human and deserves a job just as much as any of us, especially if he's better trained and getting paid less to do it.

I certainly agree companies can hire more highly trained individuals to work for them, but as long as the company is American they should have to follow American minimum wage laws.

[Xxypher]

One of my best friends is Indian. In India the competition to get to the top is fierce. He's human and deserves a job just as much as any of us, especially if he's better trained and getting paid less to do it.

Who cares what they are called, until you or a parent losses a job from this ****, don't say anything.
Why do you think its okay for someone to loose their job?
"Oh hey, we are outsourcing, so your all fired so we can save money, I hope you don't end up on the streets!"

Let me rephrase: I think it's outsourcing is OK because people who lose their jobs to outsourcing get unemployment benefits. Any American can live without a job. Sure, it's not the high life, but it will get you by until you can learn to adapt. Take this from somebody who's mother was on welfare.

Really then?

Job earnings yearly: $25,000
Welfare earnings yearly: $3,000
Hmmm, kind of drastic isn't it?

[Graham]

People really are not suppose to live off welfare. Same with most retirement plans. Welfare is a bandade, not a miracle cure.

[FliesLikeABrick]

I want to highlight an important difference really quickly:
Outsourcing - Contracting another company/person to perform tasks for you/your company
Offshoring - Outsourcing tasks/jobs to people in another country

I believe this whole discussion is about offshoring, not outsourcing.  There is a huge difference.

I believe neither is bad, it is simply the way competition works.  A lot of companies are jumping on the bandwagon and outsourcing.  What you don't hear about is all of the companies which don't outsource because they know the value of quality customer service.  Sure the guy in India might be intelligent, but the fact is that people may not be comfortable having to struggle to understand what that person is saying, or will get frustrated as they know the person has nothing to do with the company they're representing, but rather just flipping through flow charts of call handling and scripts.

Competition works this way.  The companies that care mostly about the bottom line and making as much as possible will offshore as many jobs as they can.  The ones who care about loyalty to their customers and see more value in that than making more money in the here and now will keep the jobs local. 

I think in a matter of time we'll see fewer jobs offshored as the job markets there become more saturated and as domestic companies realize the customer satisfaction that comes with talking to someone they know is in the same country, and understands more about what is going on.  Customers do actually care about these things, and honestly they have impacted a lot of choices I've made as I go through my hosting development.

I pretty much only buy Tyan hardware for my new servers, because I know it is a quality product and I can get support from a well-informed local individual who has more vested interest in the well-being of the company he represents.  Someone working in a call center in India who doesn't actually work for the company (lets say Tyan, in this case), has no idea what the product line is, they just know that they work for a call-managing service and he has to follow the script and diagrams on the desk in front of him to handle  the calls that come in.

I've found myself leaning towards the companies that are like Tyan, in that their own employees handle the phones and can put a lot more knowledge into the call handling and troubleshooting.  For these reasons, I've stuck with a lot of the following for my business:
Tyan
Newegg
Tx-Micro
Zoom (ADSL modems)

Anywho, outsourcing != offshoring.  Offshoring is a subset of outsourcing

[LtKillroy]

I agree, but I also think companies should have to pay their offshore employees by American standards becuase the company is in America. That's all I'm saying.

[karmazon]

Imagine this:

Yourself (and others) in a given company have been working in this company for lets say...10 years.  You've established yourself, working up the ranks, etc.  All of a sudden, your job disappears, you and your friends get the boot because those positions have been "outsourced" to another country.  Meanwhile, you and others are left with all of jack squat.


Bull****


Outsourcing is nothing more than another outlet for companies to make more by using cheap labor while 1) being less acccountable for the outcomes and 2) taking advantage of conditions which do not apply within the United States (i.e. the law, whatever that is).

In the end, all you do is take jobs away from the people in the country you live in and give them to people in another country.  What sense does that make?  I'm all about helping out people in other nations, but not at the expense of the workers who toil away for a company based in their own home country. 

Please, tell me why outsourcing is a good thing.

Are companies responsible for giving jobs to people that want them or to people that will create the biggest profit ?

[Smegma]

Yourself (and others) in a given company have been working in this company for lets say...10 years.  You've established yourself, working up the ranks, etc.  All of a sudden, your job disappears, you and your friends get the boot because those positions have been "outsourced" to another country.  Meanwhile, you and others are left with all of jack squat.

Don't get a job that can be replaced with someone overseas.  *waits ten years to get fired due to outsourcing*

Are companies responsible for giving jobs to people that want them or to people that will create the biggest profit ?

They are responsible to shareholders so...PROFIT!

[bja888]

None of you have any right to tell someone else what is right or wrong. Leave it to the people making the decisions them selfs.

[Smegma]

None of you have any right to tell someone else what is right or wrong. Leave it to the people making the decisions them selfs.

OMG, I can go kill whoever I want, they can't tell me what to do!

[karmazon]

None of you have any right to tell someone else what is right or wrong. Leave it to the people making the decisions them selfs.

Shit son, that ain't right.