Spawners and campers.

[Coolio]

I was just thinking wouldn't Soldat be a little dull if we didn't have spawners and campers? I mean they do get really annoying cause they do it over and over again. But still when you figure out how or where the spawn or camp you can counter it. I like it sometimes when all of a sudden you just die and you wonder where the hell did that come from? But anyways just wondering would you like it if all the spawners and campers left?

[SirJamesaford]

Spawning is necessary sometimes and so is camping...but when its over done its just shitty.

[Twistkill]

Well, I'm not against spawners... but people who complain about spawning in a Deathmatch.

The spawns in a DM are random. Whenever someone dies, you don't know where they'll end up. Therefore, people who complain about someone who spawn kills in DM are ignorant. It is simply pure coincidence that a Soldat spawns right next to someone else.

This is unlike CTF, where you know where the people are going to spawn. You know the general area of where your opponents are coming from and you anticipate their actions. This does not apply in a DM.

[nuclearrambo]

spawning and camping is needed sometimes, but always, it sucks da dick!

[Ttil_Np.csWoW]

I think that about 90% of the time spawners and campers use 1hit kill weps only , i think this can be counted by autos

[Xxypher]

Spawncamping is bad, it isn't needed, and the people who do it should be banned.

[NinjaGimp369]

I don't have a problem with spawners really, just take out my knife and kill em. They're not hard to get rid of. The more they do it, the more kills I get .

[danmer]

Lol, camped at enemy base with pred in ctf today. They didn't figgure out i've been spawning them until the pred ended...
It's the spawned's problem if they don't get that there's a camper. We get spawned alot too, but as NinjaGimp said, just kill'em

[X-Rayz]

Spawning in maps like b2b is bad, they should either be looking after the ffc or looking for the efc. There's no reason for them to be spawning in b2b.
In maps like Voland, it's part of the game. Because volands so small, spawning IS looking after the ffc.

But its annoying when the efc isnt at base, so the spawner seems to think "Hey, if I cause enough mayhem and destruction, he'll come soon enough!"

[NinjaGimp369]

I gotta say though, the poll is just stupid.. Most people would obviously want them to go away. It's not like we want SPAWNERS AND CAMPERS in our precious game.

That's just my opinion though, it'd be interesting to see the results.

[Coolio]

I gotta say though, the poll is just stupid.. Most people would obviously want them to go away. It's not like we want SPAWNERS AND CAMPERS in our precious game.

That's just my opinion though, it'd be interesting to see the results.

I think the results are coming out intersting.

[LtKillroy]

Well I voted no simply becuase campers are important in INF games, I would like spawners out but we all spawn sometimes. The whole point of INF bravo team is to camp, especially duckhunt, so no, keep the campers. ITS A LEGITIMENT STRATEGY!

[jbigz]

If they all went away, then we couldn't get all the "revenge", like spawning them back! xD

Anyways, like someone else said, you do need campers for INF, and spawning is required if you killed everyone on the other team and your IN THEIR BASE, duh.

[The Specialist]

It depends how you spawnkill someone.  If you happen to be near or right next to the area where they would spawn and you kill them maybe once or twice, then that isn't a problem.  But if you just spawncamp, it is annoying and stales the game.

Campers really aren't much of a problem.  They kill you once by surprise and then you'd know where they are and you can easily kill them off.  But if he really was a good skilled camper, he would change where he camp throughout the game.

[BondJamesBond]

You shouldn't die to a spawncamper more than once. Once they kill you, you should be able to pick out their relative position, weapon, and line of fire. Everything you need to elude them.

[s.donahue]

The Specialist has the right idea. I love to camp! Finding new and interesting places to hide is fun, and can really help on CTF maps. Move up, find a good camping spot, wait for the enemy to pass by you, and repeat until you're right next to the flag.

[SDFilm]

Campers- the ones that are bad at it are fun to kill and the ones that are good at it are a nice challenge.

Spawners- Unless you mean the mass-spawning in CTF games, there's nouthing wrong with spawning in Deathmatches. If you don't shoot them,  they are still going to shoot you anyway.

[echo_trail]

Hmm... interresting result. Makes me wonder why there's so much whining on that particular subject.

I voted "no", by the way..

[Avarax]

Spawnkilling is generally forbidden on both servers, it's only allowed as long as you don't move into the base with the intention of spawnkilling (examples: grab flag, then spawnkill while escaping is fine or spawnkilling while moving through the enemy base on Ash proceeding to the flag 's fine aswell)

i think this a very logic way to point out when it's allowed to spawnkill. camping is fine, it's easy to counter and spawnkilling in CTF most likely happens when the teams are unbalanced.

[JonWood007]

IMO, spawners and campers are fair game. I dont see why people get so ruffled up about campers. Ok, they stand in 1 spot and shoot people. Sometimes this works. Sometimes it doesnt. In CTF I might do it like in the tunnels of snakebite and it works wonders. It's a perfectly fair strategy. Especially with some guns. I mean, are you supposed to charge straight in with a barrett which has bad moveacc?

As for spawners, i can understand the annoyance. That is the main reasoN I hate playing maps like CTF ASH. However, I still cant put them down as cheater or something. It's annoying, but what are we supposed to do, let people spawn and then kill US? But still, they do get irritating, especially when the whole team is doing it to the whole other team.