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Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« on: August 15, 2007, 10:47:40 am »
A: Yes. 

Q: Do you know how?
A: Not exactly

Q: Do you intend to find out
A: Yes

Q: Do you have ideas?
A: yes

Q: What is to keep them from doing it again, since you just put the forums back without making any changes?
A: Nothing.

Q: What can I do?
A: Be patient, don't bother me.  If you want information, watch this thread or come to #soldat.forums on quakenet.


Q: What backup did you restore from?
A: I was able to restore from a backup approximately 5 hours old.  Some posts and recent changes were lost, but overall this is a very good restore point, few forums that are compromised have such a recent restore point.
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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2007, 10:51:03 am »
Q: Is like the last time where you adviced us to change password(s)?

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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2007, 10:54:21 am »
 >:(  We need Battle Eye for the forums now
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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2007, 10:55:44 am »
But the good this is that it´s back :D

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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2007, 11:04:19 am »
Thanks for restoring them.
Hope we find the cause soon.
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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2007, 11:13:58 am »
HACKERS
Quote from: 'Ando.' pid='12999178' dateline='1309046898'
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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2007, 11:19:35 am »
yeah, i think it rolled back because i posted, someone else posted, and now both posts are gone..

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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2007, 11:23:56 am »
take them down until you find out where the vulnerability is

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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2007, 11:24:24 am »
im scared :(
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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2007, 11:58:01 am »
take them down until you find out where the vulnerability is
Chakra's password I think. It has been changed so don't worry.
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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2007, 12:05:13 pm »
Yeah he was the only one online except an other fella that had member color on users online.

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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2007, 12:13:41 pm »
I don't want to take it down until the problem is found, that gains very little.  Regardless of whether I take it down or leave it up and it gets screwed again, posts would be lost or never occur at all.  At least if I leave it up, it lets me more easily look into what happened.

I believe the problem was Chakra's password, I have yet to look into the logs at all because I'm at work and busy. 

Yes, everyone please change your passwords ASAP.  It is more than likely that whoever compromised the forums took a database snapshot (I'll be able to look up if he did), and therefore has all of the password hashes... but the way that SMF stores passwords is quite good.  It isn't critical that you change your password unless you're a mod/admin/beta tester.  I still recommend you do, as it is a good practice for when things like this happen.

I might not be able to look into this until later today/tonight, but I'll post any information about what I find here, unless I think it is a danger to the forums or will give the kiddie who did this any kind of advantage.
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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2007, 12:29:55 pm »
FLAB, I know some about hacking, but a little about hacking forums.

I think that they may OWN* forums in at least 2 simple ways:

1) Bruteforce'ing the password - Even old BrutusA2 can do that...
2) Cookie-Stealing - Admin may get on ANY site and he may "catch" the bad code, that will steal cookies from SoldatForums and e.g. send them on FTP server. I did that method once on test forums. It works as good as bruteforce'ing, but takes less time.

You cannot defend by any of those methods, except making a limit of logins per 1 minute (anti-bruteforce) and not-opening any links from people (impossible xD)


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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2007, 12:34:04 pm »
what will happen to the people that did this?
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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2007, 12:34:19 pm »
Cookie-Stealing will not work on today's standard of forums, the cookie only contains your session id which is linked with your ip/browser/other information sent from your pc, so it wont let you use a session id on a different PC.

but anyway, I suggest you upgrade the forums to the latest version...

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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2007, 12:41:24 pm »
What had happened?

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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2007, 12:56:43 pm »
What had happened?

Someone deleted all the SoldatForums topics, members, style, ...
We do not know exactly or forsure how this happened but most likely someone was able to get into Chakra's account. The forums have been down for approximately 50-60 minutes. FliesLikeABrick used a back-up to restore the forum's content and we only lost 5 hours worth of post. So any posts that were made between 6AM(EST) and 11AM(EST) today (15th of August 2007) are gone.
FliesLikeABrick is currently trying to find out who is responsible for this.

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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2007, 12:59:46 pm »
I found out how they did it, and I have the IP of the person who did it.  If you have access to a large amount of login/user data on your sites and would like to try to look this up for me, send me a PM and I'll give you the IP.

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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2007, 01:02:58 pm »
I found out how they did it, and I have the IP of the person who did it. If you have access to a large amount of login/user data on your sites and would like to try to look this up for me, send me a PM and I'll give you the IP.
Are you at the liberty of giving up the name, there is an army surplus store down the street and well... In all seriousness, can you keep this from happening again, I mean, who would want to hack a random forum for a small game?
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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2007, 01:04:37 pm »
i think you should tell us who did it.. so we can all hate him togetah..

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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2007, 01:13:10 pm »
I don't know who did it, I just know the IP.  Once I find out who did it, I'll tell you all

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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2007, 01:19:01 pm »
I found out how they did it, and I have the IP of the person who did it. If you have access to a large amount of login/user data on your sites and would like to try to look this up for me, send me a PM and I'll give you the IP.
Are you at the liberty of giving up the name, there is an army surplus store down the street and well... In all seriousness, can you keep this from happening again, I mean, who would want to hack a random forum for a small game?

Ip != Name
He is apparently not a member or going through a proxy. I'm sure FLAB already knows the country, city and DNS host (ISP) of this person.

This is not hacking either. Tis cracking, the system was probably not compromised. A hacker would erase their tracks from the logs. Chakra doesn't strike me as the type to use a 20 digit password either making this whole attempt look armature.

Nothing to see here kids, move along.

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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2007, 01:35:25 pm »
I'm 99% sure he's not going through a proxy, it looks like a residential IP address (jackass).   Someone else just tried to flood the forums from a server they own, but I blocked that within seconds of it starting.  I will be contacting their server host shortly.

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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2007, 01:39:11 pm »
Hey FLAB, can you make sure this happens to this guys computer.
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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2007, 01:40:05 pm »
no, that is bad for the environment

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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2007, 01:40:49 pm »
Now your just ruining my fun. But for real, what all can you do once you find out who it is and stuff, just say don't do it and block him or what?
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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2007, 01:44:54 pm »
Someone else just tried to flood the forums from a server they own, but I blocked that within seconds of it starting.  I will be contacting their server host shortly.

U.S.A. IP?
The forum doesn't have auto flood protection?

I'm 99% sure he's not going through a proxy, it looks like a residential IP address (jackass).

Hahahaha!
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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2007, 01:49:45 pm »
Ok guys I'm gonna come clean......

















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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2007, 02:40:50 pm »
thanks SDfilm i feel kinda nooby now o well.
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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2007, 03:06:15 pm »
Well, basically you can't do anything besides banning him from these forums. After all, he didn't do anything illegal (unless he 'hacked' Chakra's password). Otherwise it would just be a small email to his ISP and his internet would've been blocked.

So right now we need to find out what that particular IP address has been visiting so we can link it to a username or something.

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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2007, 08:00:33 pm »
Well, basically you can't do anything besides banning him from these forums. After all, he didn't do anything illegal (unless he 'hacked' Chakra's password). Otherwise it would just be a small email to his ISP and his internet would've been blocked.

So right now we need to find out what that particular IP address has been visiting so we can link it to a username or something.

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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #31 on: August 16, 2007, 01:31:22 am »
Hey Flab the person who did this can't they get into major trouble?
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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2007, 01:37:47 am »
Not really. Unless you hack into a major corperation or some shit, its really just nothing...
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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #33 on: August 16, 2007, 01:57:38 am »
It was probably Dascoo trying to upload more cam pics onto the forums.

The forums got pr4wn3d.

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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #34 on: August 16, 2007, 04:41:27 am »
Hax sux
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Kill the hacker ########cker
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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #35 on: August 16, 2007, 07:28:25 am »
thanks SDfilm i feel kinda nooby now o well.

You're welcome :) ...though I can't remember who you are  [retard] Did I speak to you on IRC when it happend?

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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #36 on: August 16, 2007, 11:20:50 am »
If this was a work of a hacker and he used his real Ip thats pretty bad. I um would think that a hacker would connect using a network of computers and not directly from one computer but then again this is just a small time forum. I mean but I guess he would like to test his skills off and see how he would do and I have to applaud him on his means of getting through it was quite genius but I have several theories on how it could have happened  but some of them would also mean that FLABs whole system  could be in danger which would mean a whole mess of trouble. Then again I could just be over thinking this all which I usually do.
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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #37 on: August 16, 2007, 12:19:37 pm »
Yeah, we're pretty sure it wasn't a hacker.
Everything that happened can be done using an admin account on SoldatForums and not other projects hosted on the same server as these forums have been harmed.
Also, Chakra was the only one logged in during the time of the hack, so someone must've gotten into his account.
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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #38 on: August 16, 2007, 05:42:51 pm »
Yeah true. I suppose someone just go lucky but the thing is and I find it interesting is the fact that he used a account already logged on. Wouldn't it show that Chakra computer could be the vunerablity point. Just a suggestion.
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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #39 on: August 16, 2007, 09:14:53 pm »
im  reading this now had no idea since i dont surf in the forum news board very much

didn't the forums got hacked in other occasion?
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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #40 on: August 16, 2007, 11:29:35 pm »
im  reading this now had no idea since i dont surf in the forum news board very much

didn't the forums got hacked in other occasion?
Yeah, but that time was because of the soldat server exploit in 2.5.2.  So far the forums themselves have not been a weak point

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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #41 on: August 17, 2007, 09:51:59 am »
I'm not sure but if Chakra had it where he didn't have to long in at all do you think the "individual" could have used a cookie "grabber" and "grabbed" Chakra's cookies. If you don't understand what this is I would be more than happy to explain. I know of several instances of that working in different websites and forums. Just a thought. Trying to aide FliesLikeABrick in his quest. :D
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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #42 on: August 17, 2007, 12:26:04 pm »
I'm not sure but if Chakra had it where he didn't have to long in at all do you think the "individual" could have used a cookie "grabber" and "grabbed" Chakra's cookies.

You really have no idea what your talking about do you?

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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #43 on: August 17, 2007, 08:23:43 pm »
You'd be surprised what I actually do know. Its quite interesting in what one can learn from some friends that I have.
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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #44 on: August 17, 2007, 09:15:56 pm »
You'd be surprised what I actually do know. Its quite interesting in what one can learn from some friends that I have.

People eager to talk about a specific topic usually do not know enough about it and just want to be special.

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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #45 on: August 17, 2007, 11:16:08 pm »
People eager to talk about a specific topic usually do not know enough about it and just want to be special.

Speak for yourself. You call yourself a web designer and aren't familiar with the term Web 2.0. Oh, the hypocrisy.

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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #46 on: August 18, 2007, 12:37:43 am »
People eager to talk about a specific topic usually do not know enough about it and just want to be special.

Speak for yourself. You call yourself a web designer and aren't familiar with the term Web 2.0. Oh, the hypocrisy.

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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #47 on: August 18, 2007, 01:28:06 pm »
People eager to talk about a specific topic usually do not know enough about it and just want to be special.

Speak for yourself. You call yourself a web designer and aren't familiar with the term Web 2.0. Oh, the hypocrisy.

Web 2.0 does not exist.
AJAX has been around since 1996. Its a buzz word created used by someone who wanted to sound like they where doing something special. And nothing in the http protocol has changed. WEB 2.0 MEANS NOTHING!

Talking about it like it makes you special actually makes you look like in idiot around professional developers. Talking about it to 13 year olds and people who use AOL is a cheap way to make your self sound better.

And no, I don't call my self a designer. I am a web developer.
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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #48 on: August 18, 2007, 04:15:13 pm »
So when will we figure out who pwned the forums?
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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #49 on: August 20, 2007, 06:50:28 pm »
chackra got reaaally drunk and deleted everything?
well if you find out who it is be sure to tell us ;)
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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #50 on: August 20, 2007, 07:26:26 pm »
what? chakra isnt like that!
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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #51 on: August 20, 2007, 08:07:31 pm »
chackra got reaaally drunk and deleted everything?
well if you find out who it is be sure to tell us ;)
More then likely he got high from his meds... he has done something like this before on meds...
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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #52 on: August 21, 2007, 05:46:16 pm »
Meh, bja888 I do know what I'm talking about but if I was to go on about this I would be revealing way to much but I will keep and short and apologize for continuing this pointless discussion but I don't like to be told I'm wrong when I'm not....

Bja888 if your a web developer you know that every time you log in a cookie is sent to the server or where ever it is sent well a cookie grabber is a program that is designed just as its name implies to grab that cookie which is sent containing passwords and other items.

So yes I do know what I'm talking about and yes its very possible to use that and that could be the case which I highly doubt but anyways.
 
I am just guessing that someone got lucky...
So thats all I have to say on this topic and lock or w/e to avoid more spam.....

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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #53 on: August 22, 2007, 09:57:09 am »
It must've been someone that do not like flies :P

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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #54 on: August 22, 2007, 10:36:05 am »
Come on now, your not helping.

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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #55 on: August 22, 2007, 10:40:02 am »
omg beyond diplomacy


Anyway... the forums were down or not anyway?
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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #56 on: August 22, 2007, 11:37:35 am »
omg beyond diplomacy


Anyway... the forums were down or not anyway?


for a couple hours, yes

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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #57 on: August 22, 2007, 03:28:56 pm »
I think it was around 90minutes or so.
I could check some logs to make sure if you really need the exact time.
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Re: Q: zomg did the forums get pwned?
« Reply #58 on: August 23, 2007, 12:10:36 am »
Meh, bja888 I do know what I'm talking about but if I was to go on about this I would be revealing way to much
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