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Offline Dr. Zombi3

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Re: Default maps remake
« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2007, 05:33:50 pm »
I'm doing some remakes of default maps like Lagrange (Did it - SunnyPath)and Bunker. They are good maps but them looks (In my opinion) ugly. So i decided to do some map remakes like X-Tender's Airpirates remake. I ask (My ones)if they will be added in future versions of Soldat. Because they are the most played maps- (Must look ok, the mapmaking is an art)- So I decided to remake some maps (Most poor looking) from Arena to Veoto.. (In my free time) Respecting the original layout. IF they will be replaced by the original ones. I can see our maps (Very good ones, better than the defaults) never will be played in any server, and that's cruel, because we spend a lot of time doing them and nobody enjoy them.

SO post your opinion. If you want support me or not. I'm working on them now, i like it, but if you want a remake of every map somebody must support me. I promise they don't will look ugly ;).
i dont support you because well, so what if their ugly, their original maps that began when soldat was first started. the original maps are part of soldats history
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Re: Default maps remake
« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2007, 05:54:19 pm »
Ha! That's exactly how I was going to respond to Spec :)

... which is the same way I replied the last time he questioned the exact same thing...

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Re: Default maps remake
« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2007, 08:24:35 pm »
Yes, leave the old maps alone. The new langrange doesn't look bad, but it lacks the original "soldat" feeling... ehh... as most of the "Beatiful" maps do... Btw, new Airpirates sucks! >:E

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Re: Default maps remake
« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2007, 08:41:00 pm »
Actually in my idea, an example of a true Soldat map would be something of default quality and it would be something like Krab, Langrange, Tropiccave, inf_Abel, ctf_Ash, htf_Arch, and etc.  Not maps by VirtualTT for example who uses a massive amount of scenery and uses a bunch of dark colors to hide all of the polygon bugs and connects polygons by the edges.  That's why I love the map maker Chakapoko Maker, I believe his map making style is what creates a true Soldat map.

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Re: Default maps remake
« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2007, 09:54:14 am »
Agreed. Chakapoko maker is the best one out there. His maps are legendary not to mention himself aswell.

The remake is pretty good actually ~Niko~.  :) I like it.
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Re: Default maps remake
« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2007, 10:11:27 am »
You will see bunker... then it will like it so much than the older one.

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Re: Default maps remake
« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2007, 11:19:27 am »
I don't support you if this would replace the default maps... Your remake of Lagrange differs a lot of the original look. Your version isn't bad (I liked it ;)) but I don't think the look of some default maps should change drastically...

Players are accustomed with this "ugly" look of soldat. You should attempt to the big number of players in all over the world which dislikes the X-Tender's version of Airpirates.
As you've said, mapmaking is an "art" and Soldat propitiates many "mapmaking styles". Like paintings... From the default and simple look to realistic. And the default maps has a look which certainly was important to make this game popular. If you change this you're taking a serious risk because you're working with something that was already estabilished by the players.
I think maybe some little improvements (disrespecting polybugs fix and waypoints) could be done; like adding more color on the Arena's polygons, or adding some trees (just a stupid example, I like Arena as it is).
But it should be done by Michal and/or the original mappers.

All the mappers has your own style.I have my own, and you have yours.Ā  Chakapoko's has his own, VTT has one which is a lot different. But they still great mappers.
For example, I like maps which are a kind of realistic but not too much... A kind of mixing between realistic style and the default maps (like Desertwind). But I don't try to do maps like Desertwind, my idea is always to create good maps with something different and new. If they're good or not I don't know. I just try...

So, if you work on some new ideas for your maps, you certainly will be a better mapper and have more success. Your maps will starts to be played and maybe, some map by you could be an official map on the next versions... :)
But if you want to make the remakes, go ahead. At least it could turn into a good mappack.

Bye ;)

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Re: Default maps remake
« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2007, 12:51:10 pm »
Why do you remain in the past? It is as if you did not want to go beyond what a map can offer, besides a good enjoyability, have an atmosphere that fits with the rest of the landscape, it seems to me to be really stupid that you don't want to go beyond what it might do. In addition only I am asking for your support to develop a new generation of maps very different from what we had seen before, maps with shades, effects in the sky etc... I Believed that it was going to receive more support and I am taking a disappointment to me. I do not ask them that they make them you, simply that support me when this does reality.

Did not you want to change the weapons looking? The interface? The graphics? The enjoyability? Why do not we change anything that in a future everybody will enjoy?

I hope thrilled that you change opinion, up to the moment I will continue with the project.

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Re: Default maps remake
« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2007, 04:22:34 pm »
Soldat wouldn't be soldat with the new maps. Keep the realistic looking maps for TW and other realistic modes - That's where is their place.

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Re: Default maps remake
« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2007, 05:14:34 pm »
Soldat wouldn't be soldat with the new maps. Keep the realistic looking maps for TW and other realistic modes - That's where is their place.
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Re: Default maps remake
« Reply #30 on: August 24, 2007, 05:42:33 pm »
Why do you remain in the past? It is as if you did not want to go beyond what a map can offer, besides a good enjoyability, have an atmosphere that fits with the rest of the landscape, it seems to me to be really stupid that you don't want to go beyond what it might do. In addition only I am asking for your support to develop a new generation of maps very different from what we had seen before, maps with shades, effects in the sky etc... I Believed that it was going to receive more support and I am taking a disappointment to me. I do not ask them that they make them you, simply that support me when this does reality.

Did not you want to change the weapons looking? The interface? The graphics? The enjoyability? Why do not we change anything that in a future everybody will enjoy?

I hope thrilled that you change opinion, up to the moment I will continue with the project.
I think you understood me badly... :-\
I'm not against the "new generation of maps". If I was, my maps would be totally defaultish. I just don't agree with radical changes on the look of all default maps.
I would like to see some maps with different look as default of course... But new maps, like htf_Erbium and Factory. Together with the old maps as they're.

bye ;)



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Re: Default maps remake
« Reply #31 on: August 24, 2007, 07:37:31 pm »
Niko, try to make default maps look good using just default scenery, textures and without multi texturing - That should give them fresh, new look while keeping the old style ;)

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Re: Default maps remake
« Reply #32 on: August 25, 2007, 05:33:30 am »
Niko, try to make default maps look good using just default scenery, textures and without multi texturing
No, you don't will see me making a non-multitextured map. And default sceneries don't give me enough variety to do a full sceneries map with my style. The trees are ugly, I'm using VTT's vegetation pack and they work very well. I don't will do any map without any custom scenery, like VTT's vegetation pack or RIR's sceneries (Both very essentially)

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Re: Default maps remake
« Reply #33 on: August 25, 2007, 05:59:38 am »
I'm remaking the awesomeness of Voland!
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Re: Default maps remake
« Reply #34 on: August 25, 2007, 03:35:03 pm »
Bunker is done, but the Waypoints are getting on my nerves... 1 hour of work and then the bots were dancing around... tomorrow I'll put it.

I'm remaking the awesomeness of Voland!
I want see it soon!  ;)

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Re: Default maps remake
« Reply #35 on: August 25, 2007, 04:15:01 pm »
Really you don't want see the maps remaked? I can't believe only one want see them remaked! What a mapmaking community... :(

I want to see the maps remaked, just don't REPLACE the origionals, cause they are still good

Date Posted: August 25, 2007, 04:45:14 PM
to be truthful, I don't like the way the new lagrange plays, remove the polys on the bunkers and boxes and make it easier to move around and I'll be fine

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Re: Default maps remake
« Reply #36 on: August 25, 2007, 05:06:54 pm »
This is the new looking of Bunker... Tell me what you think about it. Only the overview (Incomplete)

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Re: Default maps remake
« Reply #37 on: August 25, 2007, 06:19:05 pm »
that map looks nothing like the original one... I dont support you
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Re: Default maps remake
« Reply #38 on: August 26, 2007, 05:13:10 am »
that map looks nothing like the original one...
Oh, dude. It's a REMAKE. But the layout is the same.  >:(

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Re: Default maps remake
« Reply #39 on: August 26, 2007, 06:14:34 am »
niko just do it. Damn those that donĀ“t like it.. They donĀ“t need to play them if they donĀ“t like them....
Actually i kinda think bunker looks cool. Lemme know when your done with those maps. I might host  them for the arcade madness server.

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