Clan Interaction

[Brock]

Ok  so yeah...  I recently started doing scheduled practices with my clan.  Once per week for an hour...
A) Keeps our skills up
B) Brings us all together as a group
C) It's just fun!
D) Keeps the clan life lively

A couple of my members don't like the idea and show defiance towards it and such.  Saying that they don't wanna show up for practices.

Is it wrong to tell them basically: "Well if you don't wanna play with us and follow our rules, then get out"?

[xurich]

Scheduled practices are probably too much. I wouldn't kick any members out for not being able to show up at a scheduled time. The best thing to do would be to organize an IRC channel for your clan and have all members use it regularly. Then you can just ask them if they're available to play. It's simple, and it works. Doing so also allows you to continue with all of the four points that you outlined the same way, if not more effectively.

[NinjaGimp369]

B) Brings us all together as a group

B is a vital component of running a good clan.

If they don't participate in clan activities, their not really dedicated are they? While your teamwork and skills are improving, the non-participants teamwork would be dropping. The better you know each other, the better you play in clan wars.

But it's not as if you should just kick them for this, see why they don't want to do clan practises and try to find another way for them to participate in clan activities.

[Brock]

Scheduled practices are probably too much. I wouldn't kick any members out for not being able to show up at a scheduled time. The best thing to do would be to organize an IRC channel for your clan and have all members use it regularly. Then you can just ask them if they're available to play. It's simple, and it works. Doing so also allows you to continue with all of the four points that you outlined the same way, if not more effectively.

It's not like we practice for 3 hours, just 1 hour per week or so.

I've thought of implementing that before, but I'm not keen on IRC...

[SpiltCoffee]

I do that in the clan I'm in, and my leader only kicks people who don't show up for a month to any clan practices. It's a good idea, because it helps the clan members make each other better, and you can easily notice the inactive people and remove or replace them.

[Rai-Dei]

IRC will open your eyes to the clan scene. Do iet!

[Twistkill]

**** the clans. I'm tired of being in clan, with reasonably good people in it, for that matter, only to have it disband later due to some sort of horrible mishap such as boredom. Plus, I'm better at DM anways, but of course, the only thing that matters anymore in Soldat is the ****ing CTF clan scene with IRC/gathers. Yeah, that's the "real" Soldat community, alright - people who are trying to seperate everyone into elites who play better than everyone else and pub players. Of course, according to them, all pub players are ****in noobs in the first place.

[Dr. Zombi3]

Ok so yeah... I recently started doing scheduled practices with my clan. Once per week for an hour...
A) Keeps our skills up
B) Brings us all together as a group
C) It's just fun!
D) Keeps the clan life lively

A couple of my members don't like the idea and show defiance towards it and such. Saying that they don't wanna show up for practices.

Is it wrong to tell them basically: "Well if you don't wanna play with us and follow our rules, then get out"?

People have lives you know. They dont have to devote their lives for playing soldat all the time. geez, your acting like soldat is real

[SirJamesaford]

Yes we all know people have lives....but everyone has at least one fucking hour a week where they arent busy.

[BondJamesBond]

Honestly, I don't think any sort of practice will help a clan at all. Partly because no one... well... most people don't want to go, "Oh sorry, I can't go to the dance because me and my clan have to train for SCTFL. Yeah we're 6-0 so far. Brock might kick me if I miss this one, so you understand why I can't go to Homecoming with you, yeah?"

[Dr. Zombi3]

Yes we all know people have lives....but everyone has at least one ****ing hour a week where they arent busy.

Are you forgeting? vacations, concerts, and proms???
Also you gotta do it 1 hour every... single... week

[Brock]

You guys are no help  >_<

It's like 50-50 split down the middle  D:

And btw I'm eldest of my group, so no prom for dem yet.




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Birfday in October  ^_^

[xurich]

It's not like we practice for 3 hours, just 1 hour per week or so.

That doesn't really give much reason why you couldn't use IRC for what you desire. You can use it as much or as little as you want to organize sporadic and spontaneous matches, which will allow your clan to continue practicing while not forcing your members to be there at certain times. All you have to do is ask, "Does anybody want to play right now?" If not, you ask again later when you're free to play. Even in a clan that isn't extremely active, you're bound to find time to play with one another eventually, and you'll also be able to see when people are the most active, so that you can encourage your members to be there at that time if possible.

I understand that a lot of people that frequent these forums aren't too fond of IRC, and some, like Twistkill apparently, mistakenly associate it with only the elite and wannabe-elite clans and players. It's true that the competitive clan scene and its players are in the majority on IRC, but it's by no means limited to that group. There are plenty of players who frequent IRC who couldn't care less about clans or anything truly competitive beyond a casual game of Soldat. There are are also a few channels for the less competitive clans out there, who simply use IRC to communicate with other members more effectively than they could via MSN Messenger, Xfire, or other such programs.

Now there are a lot of real assholes from the Soldat community on IRC, but then there are a lot of nice people too. If you've had a bad experience with IRC in the past, I suggest giving it another go. You'll meet a lot of cool new people in many of the channels.

[Twistkill]

I understand that a lot of people that frequent these forums aren't too fond of IRC, and some, like Twistkill apparently, mistakenly associate it with only the elite and wannabe-elite clans and players. It's true that the competitive clan scene and its players are in the majority on IRC, but it's by no means limited to that group. There are plenty of players who frequent IRC who couldn't care less about clans or anything truly competitive beyond a casual game of Soldat. There are are also a few channels for the less competitive clans out there, who simply use IRC to communicate with other members more effectively than they could via MSN Messenger, Xfire, or other such programs.

Now there are a lot of real assholes from the Soldat community on IRC, but then there are a lot of nice people too. If you've had a bad experience with IRC in the past, I suggest giving it another go. You'll meet a lot of cool new people in many of the channels.

Okay, but the point is that everywhere I go on these forums, especially when a brand new player joins, I see people jumping on him "JOIN IRC AND GET INTO CLAN AND GATHER SCENE J00 NUB1!". mar77a is the biggest culprit of this with his signature. If the majority of the skilled players make up IRC, then it's pretty much slaughter sending him there.

I also see anything related to pubs being noobish or lame. What's so ****ing bad about them? I find plenty of skilled players and noobs alike in pubs, I'm only playing because I'm bored, not because I want to be very competitive, and yet I play my hardest in pubs regardless of who's playing there. I have been in only a few scrims in my whole year and a half of playing Soldat, and personally, it's too frustrating. I cannot stay in there for 2 damn seconds because my parents are constantly ****ing calling me, and therefore I play pubs so I do not care as much if I have to leave the server.

And again, what's so bad about publics? Yes, there are plenty of idiots, but I find many skilled players who frequent pubs, like I Am Koopa, Pirate Dub, sometimes mozzer, d3phex, among others that I know, and it shouldn't matter who's playing in them, because the point of Soldat is to releive boredom, not create more to the point of creating an entire second community.

I have about 190 servers in my lobby list, from all gamemodes, probably about 3 of them have a good enough ping for me and actually have someone in them. That's why I'm tired of all of this CTF clanwars/ IRC gathers bull****. I literally can't involve myself in it because of my damn parents being annoying, and due to the fact that it's splitting the community apart.

[Demonic]

Your arguments are pretty much dragged down with the constant parental drama you keep rambling about. Guess what, not everyone has someone else barking up his neck 24/7, and we can enjoy a good scrim anytime.

On publics, more often than not your teammates will be of little to no use. Taunts are not used, they lack common sense: how many times have you seen two Majors bickering over a flag in your base, while the enemy constantly moves in? I could bring up an endless list of examples, but the conclusion is: within these circumstances, you will not improve. And sure, soccer is also fun if you play it with your mates; but it could be also much more fun if you can actually dribble and score some spectacular goals.

IRC? IRC offers organised games, where your teammates know what to do, and defeating the enemy will be an actual challange, not because you're alone against an army, but because it requiers team effort to achieve victory. Sure, these fellows have been fragging on high levels for years now; but there is a constant flow of new players on gather, so anyone taking the effort could improve and fight his way up. A good example would be mozzer, who began as a random public nab, and is getting better and better. You mention him as a good public player, even when he's just nearing the 'mediocre' level on Qnet.

Splitting the community apart? Long, long ago the people who dedicated themselfes to run the community as a whole decided that they cannot tutor the new generation of retards. This was the time when IRC began to take a bigger role, and now it has grown up pretty much to the level where it is just as - if not more - significant than the world of 190 server-publics. Quality over quantity mate.

[Rai-Dei]

Honestly, you people should try IRC before you all start assuming things. We argue about pubs, as we've actually played in them. You guys have no reason to rip on it before actually trying it first. It's a nice place with nice people, and no we all don't play soldat 24/7, sheesh.   

[Twistkill]

Your arguments are pretty much dragged down with the constant parental drama you keep rambling about. Guess what, not everyone has someone else barking up his neck 24/7, and we can enjoy a good scrim anytime.

On publics, more often than not your teammates will be of little to no use. Taunts are not used, they lack common sense: how many times have you seen two Majors bickering over a flag in your base, while the enemy constantly moves in? I could bring up an endless list of examples, but the conclusion is: within these circumstances, you will not improve. And sure, soccer is also fun if you play it with your mates; but it could be also much more fun if you can actually dribble and score some spectacular goals.

IRC? IRC offers organised games, where your teammates know what to do, and defeating the enemy will be an actual challange, not because you're alone against an army, but because it requiers team effort to achieve victory. Sure, these fellows have been fragging on high levels for years now; but there is a constant flow of new players on gather, so anyone taking the effort could improve and fight his way up. A good example would be mozzer, who began as a random public nab, and is getting better and better. You mention him as a good public player, even when he's just nearing the 'mediocre' level on Qnet.

Splitting the community apart? Long, long ago the people who dedicated themselfes to run the community as a whole decided that they cannot tutor the new generation of retards. This was the time when IRC began to take a bigger role, and now it has grown up pretty much to the level where it is just as - if not more - significant than the world of 190 server-publics. Quality over quanty mate.

Yes, the nagging of my parents is what keeps me away from IRC because I cannot commit. However, this alone isn't what bothers me. I've never played in a gather yet, I've only played a few scrims, and yet I am a relatively good player. I just played everyday I could to practice my movements, and learned the strengths and weaknesses of each weapon. Why bother complicating myself with IRC when I could just open Soldat and play pubs? Which are actually better than you think they are? You probably haven't played in a good public server yet, you've been glued to IRC and private servers forever now.

Pubs: I play DM pubs. CTF is now the center of the entire Soldat community, the weapon balance is based on it, the IRC scene is based 3 on 3 CTF matches, the clans are all either CTF or maybe one or two INF clans... what happened to everything else?

IRC: I suppose I could give it a shot, but again... -_-

Rai:

[Cappy]

Honestly, you people should try IRC before you all start assuming things. We argue about pubs, as we've actually played in them. You guys have no reason to rip on it before actually trying it first. It's a nice place with nice people, and no we all don't play soldat 24/7, sheesh.   

A place with nice people? Some of them are, but not ALL of them...

[LtKillroy]

Your da boss Brock, its pretty much your call. If someone misses with a good reason, they can stay, no duh. But if someone's just like "I wasn't busy, in fact I was playing at the time, I just don't wan't to practice with you" that's kind of bad. Just ask them for the reason they missed it, if it is good, no harm no foul.

[ds dude]

**** clans. [GG] is falling apart. I'm never going to join a clan because of that. I'm free, and I like it.