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My Beef With M79
« on: October 05, 2007, 07:07:50 pm »
O noez not another M79 thread?
Alright here goes. All other 1 hit kills have startup, why doesn't M79?
Why doesn't M79 have 100% self damage? Makes no sense IMO.
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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2007, 07:17:48 pm »
With the way the self damage is currently managed, if I'm not mistaken, is that all amounts of damage endured as a result from the M79 shell exploding, no matter how little, are calculated. Therefore, if Person A were to hit Person B from just far away enough that only a very, very slight amount of damage from the explosion would be normally recorded, but the shell made a direct hit with Person B, if 100% self damage were to be calculated, then Person A would die, theoretically speaking. This would make it ultimately very limited. Now, I'm not really keen on the way everything is coded, but I think you get the jist of what I'm saying. I'm sure someone who is more knowledgeable in the way things are managed in Soldat can correct me if I'm wrong.

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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2007, 09:05:34 pm »
IMO, the M79 is fine. Its range is crappy and it has the 3 second reload. Start up time would nerf it too much, unless it is only like 20 or something. IMO, the key to solving the 1 hit kill problem is boosting the power of the autos like in 1.2.1.

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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2007, 10:25:49 pm »
O noez not another M79 thread?
Alright here goes. All other 1 hit kills have startup, why doesn't M79?
Why doesn't M79 have 100% self damage? Makes no sense IMO.
That's it.
1) You don't have to create a new thread for this, you just acknowledged there were other threads.
2) Because its balanced without startup?
3) Fire the m79 directly into the ground. You are now dead. 100% self damage if you actually, you know, hit yourself?
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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2007, 07:07:51 am »
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3) Fire the m79 directly into the ground. You are now dead.
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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2007, 11:36:55 am »
man is like the knife, why the knife kills u whit one cut and a bullet dotn kill u with one hit , now after seying that M79 ROCKS!!!!!!!!!
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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2007, 02:07:01 pm »
Although, i do not share darkangel's enthusiasm about the m79, i dont love it but i dont hate it as i use it when i get bored.

But i feel i need to repeat myself...

An m79 is a grenade launcher, look at that, G-R-E-N-A-D-E L-A-U-N-C-H-E-R, and what do grenade launchers do? They shoot 10 pound grenades at a high rate of speed so they explode on impact. Now my point? m79 may seem to ''powerful'' but think if you got hit by a speeding 10 pound grenade, yeah life sucks dont it, the m79 is doing what its supposed to do, blow you the **** up, look at it like this, at least it isnt long range, at least it doesnt shoot out multiple grenades, just because the weapon is overused doesnt mean the weapon needs tweaking, just means its overused, dodge it, or play in gathers.

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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2007, 02:18:21 pm »
Here's why I think it needs startup:
If people are as pro with M79 as they say they are, they shouldn't be affected by a little startup time. But it will reduce the number of kamikaze style M79ers a lot. As for the self damage, it might be wrong about that. And merc, the ruger is a hunting rifle meant to take down deer and other large game, I think it would kill a person. Don't even get me started on the minigun, a vehicle mounted chain gun that is .50 caliber.
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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2007, 03:04:54 pm »
Although, i do not share darkangel's enthusiasm about the m79, i dont love it but i dont hate it as i use it when i get bored.

But i feel i need to repeat myself...

An m79 is a grenade launcher, look at that, G-R-E-N-A-D-E L-A-U-N-C-H-E-R, and what do grenade launchers do? They shoot 10 pound grenades at a high rate of speed so they explode on impact. Now my point? m79 may seem to ''powerful'' but think if you got hit by a speeding 10 pound grenade, yeah life sucks dont it, the m79 is doing what its supposed to do, blow you the **** up, look at it like this, at least it isnt long range, at least it doesnt shoot out multiple grenades, just because the weapon is overused doesnt mean the weapon needs tweaking, just means its overused, dodge it, or play in gathers.

Don't try and pull the realism card here. Like LtKillroy said, most of the other weapons are much more powerfull in real life.

Don't even get me started on the minigun, a vehicle mounted chain gun that is .50 caliber.

For the record, the XM214 Minigun is a 5.56mm gatling gun, not a 50.cal chain gun. ;)
 

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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2007, 04:25:21 pm »
It wasnt really meant to be based on realism,  because i knew someone would have some smart ass answer, i made that comment because no matter how you look at it, game or realism the fact is, its still a grenade launcher, its meant to be a powerhouse weapon.

As stated before, its just overused, i bet if it wasn't overused people wouldnt be complaining half as much as they do now...

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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2007, 04:30:38 pm »
If you set a very small startup, do you think it would be overused. Barret used to be overused, it got a startup time so all of them went to M79. (pure conjecture, but not unfounded). It shouldn't affect you if your good, but noobs will be less apt to use it.
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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2007, 04:38:11 pm »
If you set a very small startup, do you think it would be overused. Barret used to be overused, it got a startup time so all of them went to M79. (pure conjecture, but not unfounded). It shouldn't affect you if your good, but noobs will be less apt to use it.

Agreed, i guess a startup time wouldnt be too bad, doesnt effect me with a barrett so i wouldnt mind it when i use an m79.

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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2007, 04:43:46 pm »
M79 Hrm. I think it should have a "weight," like the flag. You notice how you move more sluggishly and jump lower while in possession of the flag? Should be same with M79.
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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2007, 05:58:57 pm »
I actually never noticed that... is it true? If so its not that big of a difference

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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2007, 11:31:07 pm »
a vehicle mounted chain gun that is .50 caliber.

50 caliber? Isn't that the same as a Desert Eagle? That'd be incredible. o_o

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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2007, 09:36:29 am »
a vehicle mounted chain gun that is .50 caliber.

50 caliber? Isn't that the same as a Desert Eagle? That'd be incredible. o_o
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He probably meant the .50 BMG ammunition, which is also the ammo of the Barrett. It's a 12.7x99mm big bullet, which still has a muzzle velocity of far over 700 m/s... Breaks tank armor. No it's NAWT Desert Eagle ammunition.

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M79 Hrm. I think it should have a "weight,"
Not really, the M79 is one of the lightest weapons in the game.

I think it should have a bigger splash damage radius, so the carrier would get hurt, when shooting at 5m distances.

Also, the argument "Dodge!!111 noob!1111one" is ridiculous, even if the grenade flies pretty slowly, Soldat just isn't Unreal Tournament. There are situations where you CAN NOT dodge and the grenade still is ~25m away from you.

I think this COULD lower the problem's intensity:

Splash damage radius = 1/4 of the range of the weapon :D

Why? Because this is the problem of the M79 usage! You can just run into the enemy, shoot him at 6m and continue your rampage, because he will die, when hit. And he won't be able to dodge if you're used to the M79 nade behavior and fire correctly.
6m. It should not resemble realism, just game balance.
The point is that you have a weapon which is horribly easy to use in close quarter combat.
And you might know that grenade launchers are most certainly not used in CQC (Duh realism).
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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2007, 06:27:28 pm »
M79 Hrm. I think it should have a "weight," like the flag. You notice how you move more sluggishly and jump lower while in possession of the flag? Should be same with M79.


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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2007, 10:54:28 pm »
I said it on another thread, but if you want to get into realism, the m79 in real life shoots grenades that don't arm till they're 25-30 feet away thanks to a mechanism that arms it as it spins. i know it's a game, but if it's not based on real weapons then the weapons shouldn't have real weapon names.
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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2007, 11:23:34 pm »
M79 is VERY annoying when ppl rush up to you then blast you with it.Its no fair. >:(

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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2007, 01:50:37 am »
Yeah nerf the m79 so everyone starts using steyr, ak and hk.

That way youll have a BORING game, where you cant get to the other flag cause everyone is just spraying bullets("OH BUT YOU CAN DODGE THEM", you can dodge the m79 kamikaze guy too.).
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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2007, 07:55:36 am »
Most people hate the M79 because it's overused.

The best solution? Make people want to use other weapons!
How do you do that? Buff everything else up!

Remember, the M79 is not overpowered. It's overused.
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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2007, 02:43:00 pm »
Yeah nerf the m79 so everyone starts using steyr, ak and hk.

That way youll have a BORING game, where you cant get to the other flag cause everyone is just spraying bullets("OH BUT YOU CAN DODGE THEM", you can dodge the m79 kamikaze guy too.).
That's bull and you know it, barret got a startup and did everyone stop using it. No. Almost entirely just the noobs that camped/ran up kamikaze style with barret. All this would do is make people who lame around use other guns.
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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2007, 03:34:50 pm »
Yeah nerf the m79 so everyone starts using steyr, ak and hk.

That way youll have a BORING game, where you cant get to the other flag cause everyone is just spraying bullets("OH BUT YOU CAN DODGE THEM", you can dodge the m79 kamikaze guy too.).
That's bull and you know it, barret got a startup and did everyone stop using it. No. Almost entirely just the noobs that camped/ran up kamikaze style with barret. All this would do is make people who lame around use other guns.
by other guns you means autos and by that you make the game much MUCH slower cause everyone would have to go thru around 90 bullets just to get to the flag then 120 bullets to cap

(By the way, i hate the startup for barret it sucks huge balls, enjoy your no startup cheat for m79 D; )
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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2007, 11:01:44 am »
Most people hate the M79 because it's overused.

The best solution? Make people want to use other weapons!
How do you do that? Buff everything else up!

Remember, the M79 is not overpowered. It's overused.

But if a weapon is overused, most people think that is overpowered, you won't change it ;/

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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2007, 12:18:00 pm »
I despise the M79, but the reason why I'm not talking with the other Beta testers to nerf it is because it's not overpowered, it's just cheap; it acts as a good introductory weapon for newbs. The M79 is the weapon that lets you play in games without having such a nasty learning curve to grasp. If the newb gets better at the M79 he can decide to use a more challenging *cough*respectable*cough* weapon or they can try to get those harder medium-range M79 shots. Or if they really don't feel like challening themselfs, they can stick to the 'run&boom' "tactic" of M79ing.

The M79 is annoying, but Soldat needs it's newbs for it's playerbase to grow.
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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2007, 01:42:35 am »
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I think it should have a bigger splash damage radius, so the carrier would get hurt, when shooting at 5m distances.

Also, the argument "Dodge!!111 noob!1111one" is ridiculous, even if the grenade flies pretty slowly, Soldat just isn't Unreal Tournament. There are situations where you CAN NOT dodge and the grenade still is ~25m away from you.

I think this COULD lower the problem's intensity:

Splash damage radius = 1/4 of the range of the weapon

Why? Because this is the problem of the M79 usage! You can just run into the enemy, shoot him at 6m and continue your rampage, because he will die, when hit. And he won't be able to dodge if you're used to the M79 nade behavior and fire correctly.

This has got to be THE worst suggestion to "lower" the usage of the m79. EVER.

You know what happens then? We have a damned NUKE LAUNCHER. m79 is now turned into god-mode weapon, where you fire over a hill and into a spawn and damage the flagger, and the 2 guys camping there, taking away god-know how much health.

Did you seriously think this through before you said it?
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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2007, 02:25:45 am »
Please do not compare it with the barret when it comes to balancing it with the start up time. The barret is a sniper rifle and the start up time doesn't affect it(you can fire from very far away). While the M79 is very close range weapon and a start up time would mean instant death.

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« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2007, 03:27:15 am »
Please do not compare it with the barret when it comes to balancing it with the start up time. The barret is a sniper rifle and the start up time doesn't affect it(you can fire from very far away). While the M79 is very close range weapon and a start up time would mean instant death.

Maybe it's the other way around. With the Barrett you have to aim well and get the shot just right. But with the M79, there is much more room for error.

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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2007, 03:40:33 am »
M79 has much shorter range and you can avoid the nade if you are not to close. And it's up to you not to be to close and to learn dodging. You are clearly biased, like most spraytards.
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« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2007, 06:54:56 am »
M79 has much shorter range

Yea, so dodging the bullets need different strategies. It's almost impossible to dodge a Barrett shot; it's more of a case of trying to dodge the sniper's aim by moving in random directions and binking him. With the M79, It depends whether it's a kamikaze M79'er or an M79'er that is good at aiming those mid-range shots. For the mid-range shots, you do have to learn how to dodge. With the kamikaze M79'ers, you have to use any means possible such as nades, auto-pushing and plain running to stop the M79'er from getting close enough for a cheap shot.

And it's up to you not to be to close and to learn dodging.

Tell that to the guy who just got blown-up by a kamikaze M79'er. Depending on the map, there's not much you can do against a M79'er before he gives you the close-up money-shot, other than what I said above.

You are clearly biased, like most spraytards.

As a Beta tester, I try to be as unbiased as I can. And you don't sound so unbiased yourself, considering that you just labled me and most auto users as "biased spraytards".

BTW, it's 'too close' ;)
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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2007, 12:46:17 pm »
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And it's up to you not to be to close and to learn dodging.


Tell that to the guy who just got blown-up by a kamikaze M79'er. Depending on the map, there's not much you can do against a M79'er before he gives you the close-up money-shot, other than what I said above.
 

first, "money-shot?"

Second, this is why we have long-range weapons, especially the sniper rifle you compare it to. You cant list every situation a weapon is good in and expect us to agree with you, because every weapon has its niche, and you should aim for that niche whenever you use that weapon. If youre using an AK-47, you fight at range. If youre using a Saw, you get as close as you damn well can. And if "kamikaze rushing" works well with the m79, then gosh darnit, kamikaze rush.
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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2007, 02:31:41 pm »
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And it's up to you not to be to close and to learn dodging.


Tell that to the guy who just got blown-up by a kamikaze M79'er. Depending on the map, there's not much you can do against a M79'er before he gives you the close-up money-shot, other than what I said above.
 

first, "money-shot?"

Second, this is why we have long-range weapons, especially the sniper rifle you compare it to. You cant list every situation a weapon is good in and expect us to agree with you, because every weapon has its niche, and you should aim for that niche whenever you use that weapon. If youre using an AK-47, you fight at range. If youre using a Saw, you get as close as you damn well can. And if "kamikaze rushing" works well with the m79, then gosh darnit, kamikaze rush.

First: er..... heh, *cough* it's a metaphor....

Second: Yes, I totally agree with you.

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Was that supposed to be countering my last post or did you just feel like making that point?
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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #32 on: October 18, 2007, 03:08:21 pm »
Alright first off, I use ruger, no spraytard here. Also, people don't snipe with the barret. They run up and shoot people. And if people are so good with M79, once again, it should not affect them. It didn't affect anyone whent he startup time for barret was introduced. And dodging M79 bullets is BS, give me a video taken today of you dodging at least 5 in a row and I'll agree to you. I don't mind M79 at all, I just think it has a huge advantage over every gun in the game in well over most situations (close)
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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2007, 04:17:04 pm »
SDFilm, your point was M79 is cheap, which most experienced players should realise it's not true. If you count kamikaze tactic as "easy kills" than you simply suck in Soldat, period. It's almost like to be killed by a chainsaw, so you should feel ashamed and not even mention it.

LtKillroy, nobody said dodging M79 is extremely easy but it's fairly easy in many situations. If you would be able to dodge a M79 nade 5 times in a row it would practically mean 5:0 for you (unless you really suck with your Ruger). So STFU. Practice. Maybe you will get better with time and stop whining. Though some people never stop it, *cough* SDFilm *cough*.

Not that I'm against M79 startup time. M79 should be harder to use than other weapons, simply because, let's face it, for most people it's the coolest weapon in the game. They have a reason, it's the only primary which shoots explosives, it has a nice arc and lets you do tricks. And if people can choose between equal weapons, they will usually choose the coolest one.

Also I will repeat it again - you think M79 is cheap? Play a duel against me on any average size DM map like Jungle with secondaries turned off - but you will have to use M79 only and I will be able to use any other weapon. If you won't destroy me with the omg cheap and lame M79 it means you are just a liar, whiner and n00b.
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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2007, 04:50:11 pm »
SDFilm, your point was M79 is cheap, which most experienced players shoulde realise it's not true.

Could you expand on that, instead of simply saying that experianed players won't agree with me?

You said that it's the players fault for not learning how to dodge an M79. So I said that at close range it is very very hard; but at short-mid range it is possible to dodge, in which case you are right, the non-M79er should learn how to dodge to have a better chance against the M79er. I'm not nesseserily saying the M79 should be nerfed because it's good at what it does, I was simply stating it's qualities to the those people that seem to have forget them.


Here is my other post, if you didn't read it well enough the first time...

I despise the M79, but the reason why I'm not talking with the other Beta testers to nerf it is because it's not overpowered, it's just cheap; it acts as a good introductory weapon for newbs. The M79 is the weapon that lets you play in games without having such a nasty learning curve to grasp. If the newb gets better at the M79 he can decide to use a more challenging *cough*respectable*cough* weapon or they can try to get those harder medium-range M79 shots. Or if they really don't feel like challening themselfs, they can stick to the 'run&boom' "tactic" of M79ing.

The M79 is annoying, but Soldat needs it's newbs for it's playerbase to grow.
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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #35 on: October 18, 2007, 05:58:25 pm »
Not that I'm against M79 startup time. M79 should be harder to use than other weapons, simply because, let's face it, for most people it's the coolest weapon in the game. They have a reason, it's the only primary which shoots explosives, it has a nice arc and lets you do tricks. And if people can choose between equal weapons, they will usually choose the coolest one.
Uh, did I ever say it was cheap, lame, etc? I said it needed a startup time. When people see M79 threads, they instantly think the maker of the thread hates M79's. I don't. I just simply think it is a little too good. It gets more kills than most other weapons and is horribly easy. I don't hate it, I just think it is a little unbalanced. Like when your fighting one guy, you focus on him, and some idiot blows you up. If you look at my other posts concerning M79's, I defend every time when people say its lame.
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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2007, 03:33:33 am »
in my opinion m79 is a pro gun cause trying to kill a guys whos spraing the sh(t out of u with one of the m79 shells is pretty hard  aaaa???, anyways if ur talking about  noob guns u  have to make  a post for ruger, rugers is the most noob weapon i ever seen in my life really is just like a backup weapon to me
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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #37 on: October 21, 2007, 04:57:15 am »
in my opinion m79 is a pro gun cause trying to kill a guys whos spraing the sh(t out of u with one of the m79 shells is pretty hard aaaa???

It's far too simplistic to just say 'M79 is pro as it only fires one while autos fire many'. There are more factors to consider.

anyways if ur talking about noob guns u have to make a post for ruger, rugers is the most noob weapon i ever seen in my life really is just like a backup weapon to me

IMO the semi-auto class of weapons are the hardest to master in the game. It takes skill to use the Ruger and Deagles, so the player is rewarded by having a very high damage-per-second weapon.

BTW, I appreciate that you are from Mexico, but please try not to use lazy English. Instead use 'you' instead of 'u', ‘your’ or ‘you’re’ instead of ‘ur’ and use capital letters at the start of a sentence. ;)
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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #38 on: October 21, 2007, 06:20:41 pm »
It is annoying on small maps with little space to move and dodge, but most people can't use it effectively on mid ranges so I don't know what the * your problem is. Why are people complaining about commonly used weapons that are easily countered? Play for a year, and say if you still have problems beating m79 guys...

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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #39 on: October 22, 2007, 10:44:20 am »
It is supposed to be close range, so it is annoying on small maps (Like noo.. eh .. nuubia) on bigger it's just ... crappy.

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Re: My Beef With M79
« Reply #40 on: October 22, 2007, 11:11:42 am »
in my opinion m79 is a pro gun

Probably you think m79 is a pro gun because you are a n00b and get killed by spraytards to often. That's my diagnosis of your problem. M79 used to be a pro gun 4 years ago. Weapons are very well balanced now.
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