Let me clarify something

[a-4-year-old]

just stfu a-4-year-old... I guess u didn't read it all

I did actually read it, and I still come off with the same mindset. Hackers are people who make cheats for idiots who ruin games, by the transitive property, hackers ruin games.

Second, his post had some little one sentence whine about how hacking is hard and BE is bad. To which I say BE is great because it does its job exactly the way it was made to do it.

MM doesn't want people hacking so anyone who thinks they have a good reason for doing so is kidding themselves.

[sneakyg]

Just mess around with 1.3.1, make all of your more disingenuous programs there, and when if you want to do something to improve the game, do it in 1.4 and release it with consent through the fan apps board.

Thats an excellent idea they should do that

[Avkon]

Hackers are people who make cheats for idiots who ruin games, by the transitive property, hackers ruin games.

There's a difference between hackers and crackers.
I'm sure everyone who's played a game has heard of cracks (like no-CD crack, no-registration crack, whatever).
When I was learning assembly code, I used to "crack" too, for no reason other than for the heck of it.

But whereas hackers do it for pastime and valid legal reasons (like, for eg. they find a loophole, they notify the developers), crackers either keep their findings to themselves or make the "hacks" that you find and download.

CiRiON didn't make this clear, and most people never get this part, as they all think hackers are just out to ruin everyone else's lives - so I thought I should try and make this understandable.

Also, CiRiON's post was pointless - he himself said it's a cat-and-mouse game, it's never going to stop.
Hackers/Crackers are going to be around as long as there is something to hack/crack, so it's a waste of time arguing about it.

And a P.S. to everyone who was like oh-my-god-hackers-are-bad-and-should-be-wiped-off-the-face-of-the-earth: Enough with all that, I don't hear anyone complaining when they install that registration crack that saves them a couple of dollars.

[EnEsCe]

That's NOT true. I see it more that we need you and you need us.
We help you improve the security system, while you help us to improve our skills.
It's a cat and mouse game we both play, but please be so fair not to cheat in this game...

What orifice did you pull that from? We (Michal and I) do not need you at all. Soldat would be better off without "you". If it weren't for hackers, our time could be spent focusing on improving the GAME fun for the masses, but no. One day you will realize, much like I did almost 3 years, that creating "Hacks" is a complete waste of time and extremely immoral. It doesn't look good on a resume. Ever since the day I first downloaded Visual Basic, I have never had the need to "reverse" my own program or another, thats what an IDE is for. Reversing is not a form of programming, nor is it a path to becoming a programmer.

There will never be any way to justify hacking online games. Ever.

[Avkon]

Lol.

That part sounds like it was taken straight outta a whitehat-description.
And to be honest, this whole thing is pointless - a hacker would never post this topic, not to hide anything, but he just wouldn't.

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

But whereas hackers do it for pastime and valid legal reasons (like, for eg. they find a loophole, they notify the developers), crackers either keep their findings to themselves or make the "hacks" that you find and download.

And apparently CiRiON, by his explanation, is one of the latter.  I have a feeling that if he was doing it for the good of the community, no one would have a problem with it.  However, CiRiON instead says "Well, I'm not at fault; blame the guys who use my hacks," admitting that his hacks don't actually help anyone.

And a P.S. to everyone who was like oh-my-god-hackers-are-bad-and-should-be-wiped-off-the-face-of-the-earth: Enough with all that, I don't hear anyone complaining when they install that registration crack that saves them a couple of dollars.

Didn't you JUST say that there's a difference between hackers and crackers?  Make up your mind.

[Avkon]

Hmm? I said THEY say "hackers" - they don't know the difference. What they mean is "crackers".

[X-Rayz]

You guys still don't get it do you.
We eventually help you.
Since we're a community I can controll everything people are doing, and if it's going out of line (like soldat doom script for 1.3.1 wich has a massive DoS attack) I can stop it.
But I can't control freelance hackers.
If we create hacks, Battle Eye will improve and go on.

Hacking aint bad, it's considered annoying since many of you don't care.
If you want to learn programming, then reversing a program is the best way.
This is simply what we do. Ask any of the creators, nobody uses their own hacks.
Only test it, comment it, and try to do the same.
Cheating is something really different, cause with cheating you want to win by playing unfair.
With hacking you just want to program.

(i didnt read the 2nd page, too tired)

Isn't this kind of like that family guy episode where Rhode Island(?) gets blown up? They build their little town and there's a part where they say:

"Hey you're right! We don't have guns! We're completely defensless!"
"Guns only lead to trouble"
"Exactly, and when that trouble comes we'll blow its head off".

BattleEye wouldn't even need to improve if you hadn't made hacks in the first place. Their wouldn't need to be a battleeye at all.

Hmm? I said THEY say "hackers" - they don't know the difference. What they mean is "crackers".

I think he meant, you said that hackers make the cracks that save us a couple of bucks. You just called Hackers Crackers.

[yv3]

@Avkon:
hmm, not bad, 15 years old and reverse engineering  . It surely take some skills to make a hack for soldat and your "friends" think youre a cool guy. If you want to be a programmer that earns some money honestly in the PRESENT employment market, you should learn C# or Java rather than assembler. It's a natural instinct that leads every hacker to show off what he had done and could be done. So it's unescapable that the n00bs will use the hacks.

Sometimes i play a 1vs1 with barret and im very angry. I have the feeling that i can't win because the other has a shortended shoot delay or an aim bot. I think its rather unrealistic since BattleEye, - but thats why i mostly hate the hacks  . On the other hand, on every fourth server or so, someone calls me a "cheater" because of my pwnage - i like that  .

I used many cracks in my life, hope god will forgive me  

A Soldat with honor don't cheat - he feels his enemy and presses the f*** mouse wheel for a *** good long-range throw. I love that feeling.

[Avkon]

Lol.

I started coding and stuff at 13, and who says I don't know C or Java? C#, no, but I'm comfortable with good old C.

And X-Rayz, please read my first post.

And yv3, I've heard it's tough to crack Soldat, but I never tried in the first place. I honestly don't care much for cracking, it was just one of those things you get into while doing something else.

And one more thing: try telling any of your teenage friends that you sat in front of your computer for hours on end to make a crack, and see if they think it's 'cool'.

If they do think so, then give me their contact details. :p

[a-4-year-old]

And a P.S. to everyone who was like oh-my-god-hackers-are-bad-and-should-be-wiped-off-the-face-of-the-earth: Enough with all that, I don't hear anyone complaining when they install that registration crack that saves them a couple of dollars.

you are an idiot. Of course nobody complains when they exploit hacks/cracks/cheats, its everyone else.

[Avkon]

What I meant is, a lot of people do that, I'm sure even you have some cracks on your comp, even if you don't use them.

What if Soldat was a pay-to-play game? There'd be cracks everywhere.

And a-4-year-old: it's pretty obvious that you don't know a sh*t about hacking or cracking from your previous posts, so please stay out of this.

And also, I never advocated cracking, did I? Go find your crackers, rage at them, not me.

[Clawbug]

Why not to jump to the right side, to help $able, MM and EnEsCe to deal with the bad people, instead of making tools for "noobs" to ruin the game?

If you, so called hackers, want to help Soldat, then why are you people making it so easy to ruin a good game? What about making it hard to ruin the game? Wouldn't that help Soldat more? In my opinion it would, alot. Though, you people wouldn't really get credit for that, so you think it useless, right? As EnEsCe likes to say, world lacks respect, aye? The main reason I dislike NSC, and one of the reasons I dislike alot of you.

Change the attitude, please!

[Slazenger]

F.f.s. h.e. d.o.e.s.n.t m.a.k.e h.a.c.k.s. f.o.r. p.e.o.p.l.e t.o. u.s.e

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

F.f.s. h.e. d.o.e.s.n.t m.a.k.e h.a.c.k.s. f.o.r. p.e.o.p.l.e t.o. u.s.e

But people still use them.  If he didn't make them for people to use, they would stay on his computer and no one would have access to them.  Obviously that's not the case.

[CiRiON]

Alright, now would all noobs who doesn't really understand what I'm talking about please STFU.

I'll try to explain it 1 more time, so read carefull.

I think we (the soldat dev team and some members of my community) need to talk since BE is ruin the gameplay more then us. We don't randomly kick people and stop them from using applications.
Now, what I want to reach is that BE still detects the hacks, but doesn't bother other people.
And maybe we have to do this by releasing sources of the created hacks, so Sable knows what to block.

[Avkon]

F.f.s. h.e. d.o.e.s.n.t m.a.k.e h.a.c.k.s. f.o.r. p.e.o.p.l.e t.o. u.s.e

But people still use them.  If he didn't make them for people to use, they would stay on his computer and no one would have access to them.  Obviously that's not the case.

They do stay on the computer, it's the guys who make cracks who irritate others so much.

And CiRiON, like I said, it's a waste of time, give up - your talk is pointless.

[Nijez]

IMO you need hackers. Just like you need to catch a cold to create an antibody for it.

If they didnt release hacks or exploit the exploits they would still be out there for the taking.
If im not correct that is sort of how BE works, no? As soon as you get the hack it can be detected.

This unamed community has been keeping ALOT of its stuff private; more so than ever (For obvious reasons); and are restraining (quite considerably) from abusing their/others creation quite a bit.

While having hackers around helps improve a games immunity; I dont agree with any hacker justifying his/her actions with such self righteous excuses. If hackers wanted to help, they would find exploits/create hacks, send them to MM (WITHOUT RELEASING), and explain how to fix the problem.

Having hackers abuse exploits and hacks will bring said hacks and exploits out in the open, into the publics eye. This will not only allow the dev. to get his hands on the hacks or find out how the exploit works, but the abuse of the exploit/hack will pressure him to fix it before it gets out of hand. Pressure is a good motivator. One of the members of mentioned community, in one case, did notify MM about an exploit and nothing was done about it. Not until this certain somebody released the hack; did the exploit get fixed.

People sort of have a problem when it comes to tending to issues. If there isnt a shark biting people on the ass; they wont swim faster.  Example: Global Warming

 
Although I believe this; I dont believe hackers can use this as an excuse to justify their actions.
Plain and simple; they do it for fun. Its a hobby. Who can make the most fun/screwed up/powerful hack.
If anyone had the games best interests in mind; they would keep it private and send the hack to MM, like I stated above.

-Zenji

[Veritas]

Alright, now would all noobs who doesn't really understand what I'm talking about please STFU.

I'll try to explain it 1 more time, so read carefull.

I think we (the soldat dev team and some members of my community) need to talk since BE is ruin the gameplay more then us. We don't randomly kick people and stop them from using applications.
Now, what I want to reach is that BE still detects the hacks, but doesn't bother other people.
And maybe we have to do this by releasing sources of the created hacks, so Sable knows what to block.

Alternatively, you could do something else with your time, something that isn't cracking a 2D freeware game. There is a hell of a lot of useful software that you could write, which would actually make you some money, and you choose to mess with a 2D freeware game.

I don't even know.

PS: Dear admins and mods, why isn't this locked yet?
We all know talking about hacks is banned in this forum, and posting it in the general section doesn't foster serious discussion.

[Henito Kisou]

Dualistic theory of world (for ex. good not exist without evil and evil not exist without good) failed since 2005 but people still can be able to living with this old idea.
Hacker = Hacking = Hacks = Cheaters = Cheating =Ruined gameplay and all of fun. These things are for idiotic lamers worster sometimes than noob players who just cant or dont known how to good play, mindless vegetables without skill.
But yes, if hacks are developed, then anti-cheat or anti-hacks also, about co-op... there's no of guarantee, that hacks sources will not be just old inactive worster fake, just toy, and hidden, stronger weapon against game is in development, no one is black'n'white and crystal so always have hidden motives like idea never trust anybody at ~50% or 100% your family, strangers, nobody.
Most of famous or infamous hackers, crackers later rearranged their form of thinking and now working at safety systems, anti-piracy, anti-cheat, anti-hacking stuff, they used learned skills to prevent hacking, just as fun fact about this.