knives rocks!!!11 maybe a bit too much?

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Knife is a very popular weapon these days, or even in the previous versions.
Knife is very versitile, can be used in either rush, or defensive purposes. and there are few limitations.

perhaps knifes rocks a bit too much....

comparison: secondaries

knife                                                          law
- less start up                                         - Long Range
- can be picked up and used again         - bullet does not lose dmg due to range
- fire while flying                                      - ....and thats it.....
- fire while moving, fast or slow

*socom                                                   *Saw
- has a clip! (12)                                     - largest clip of all
- decent range.                                       - kills very quickly
- a short n sweet reload
- decent dmg.


First... Knife and Law
Law has a better range than knife, also the laws dmg is not affected by the range or power, law explodes so it has a radius. but the dmg is pretty much negleteble(spelling) since you dont kill for anything less than bodyshot. But the law packs a lot of limitations such as you cant shoot in the air, there is a long reload, cooldown and delay. As the weapon of last resort, knife is better than law in most situations because of its shorter delay and because it can be picked up. and also because you dont have to crouch and stay of the ground when you throw it.

Knife > Law (most of the time)

2nd. Knife and Saw
*skip*... we all know what happens in !elite slicers(name). Saw packs more of a punch and can kill more people with a single clip, but the range restrictions makes this weapon undesirable for anything less than camping.(im generalizing at the last point)

knife > saw

3rd. Knife and Socom
A pretty even match. Socom packs a lot of power for a secondary, and its very good in finishing off enemies. decent clip, good reload. then why I dont see as many knifers as socoms?
because socom is not 1 hit kill. Picture a socom and a knifer going at eachother. they are so skilled that they will not miss a single shot, in fact, the socom do all heads! But knifer will still top the socom because knife kills faster than socom

knife > socom

you can see that knife is better than law... better than any other secondary. Before the knife had the start up decrease, there were as much knifers as lawers. I think the start up should go back to what it was. thats all. also the law should go back too
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popular arguements:

This is absolute bull****. Whenever I use ruger in a gather, I use SOCOM. You won't see most people using barrett WITHOUT a SOCOM. At all.

You and your 1% of the population. weapon balance is aimed at the general public not your 1 or 2 exceptions.

skills plz, don't whine if someone owns you with weapon which is more than balanced (compare knife to any other 1 hit - barret-range... / m79 - no delay, more than 1 shot possible )

you don't compare a secondary with a primary because you can have a primary and a secondary when you respawn. the primary is supposed to be better than a secondary because its the main killer.

woah, Law has a delay as a argument? but knife has a delay too!!! what do you say about that eh?!?!?

Law has a delay and a cooldown. when you fire you have to w8 for cooldown+delay. 1 alone might not be much and 2 added together you got a lot.


Last but not least. before you reply to this topic and start flaming, answer this...

Do you use knife as a secondary?(just a yes or no question)

My answer, No.

people dont choose stuff for no reason. and the reason why people chooses knife over law/saw/socom is because knife is better than the rest. and that is not balanced.

EDIT: 97 views, less than 10 replies...is it me, or I'm just so right that none can say anything against it? 

[TiReD]

Being a 1 hit weapon, it has problems with hit register.
Can be thrown in the air, but if you miss you wont do a thing(obvious thing).
Can be picked up again, just like any other weapon ;S.
Fire while moving, just like soccom and saw.

I use knife as a secondary ONLY when using HK.

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Being a 1 hit weapon, it has problems with hit register

every gun has a prob with register, 1 hit killers has a bigger probs than for example a auto, but in advanced gun skill, 1 hit even if auto matters a lot, just like with 1 hit killers. So yeah, every gun has prob with the reg.

Can be thrown in the air, but if you miss you wont do a thing(obvious thing).

another common prob with all 1 hit killers.

Can be picked up again, just like any other weapon ;S.

you dont see another weapon that reloads after beings picked up do you?

I use knife as a secondary ONLY when using HK.

its a yes then?

[TiReD]

every gun has a prob with register, 1 hit killers has a bigger probs than for example a auto, but in advanced gun skill, 1 hit even if auto matters a lot, just like with 1 hit killers. So yeah, every gun has prob with the reg.

Every gun does, but 1 hit killers have long cooldown.

Can be thrown in the air, but if you miss you wont do a thing(obvious thing).

That isnt a problem. (Its an advantage for other weapons ;S)

you dont see another weapon that reloads after beings picked up do you?

You list the "Pick and use" as a advantage, its kinda useless to pick the knife again(you can pick any other weapon and get the power of a main one).

its a yes then?

Yes.

[excruciator]

every gun has a prob with register, 1 hit killers has a bigger probs than for example a auto, but in advanced gun skill, 1 hit even if auto matters a lot, just like with 1 hit killers. So yeah, every gun has prob with the reg.

Every gun does, but 1 hit killers have long cooldown.

Can be thrown in the air, but if you miss you wont do a thing(obvious thing).

That isnt a problem. (Its an advantage for other weapons ;S)

you dont see another weapon that reloads after beings picked up do you?

You list the "Pick and use" as a advantage, its kinda useless to pick the knife again(you can pick any other weapon and get the power of a main one).

its a yes then?

Yes.

First, you know the risk when you picked the weapon, so dont whine about the cooldown, its something that keeps the gun being balanced. Also, pick and use is not a advantage, pick and use without reload is a advantage. So the reload time depends on how long whould took you to get the knife back. can be a eternity, or 1 sec. of course, that is a advantage since the reload is a variable.

[TiReD]

every gun has a prob with register, 1 hit killers has a bigger probs than for example a auto, but in advanced gun skill, 1 hit even if auto matters a lot, just like with 1 hit killers. So yeah, every gun has prob with the reg.

Every gun does, but 1 hit killers have long cooldown.

Can be thrown in the air, but if you miss you wont do a thing(obvious thing).

That isnt a problem. (Its an advantage for other weapons ;S)

you dont see another weapon that reloads after beings picked up do you?

You list the "Pick and use" as a advantage, its kinda useless to pick the knife again(you can pick any other weapon and get the power of a main one).

its a yes then?

Yes.

First, you know the risk when you picked the weapon, so dont whine about the cooldown, its something that keeps the gun being balanced. Also, pick and use is not a advantage, pick and use without reload is a advantage. So the reload time depends on how long whould took you to get the knife back. can be a eternity, or 1 sec. of course, that is a advantage since the reload is a variable.

Im not the one who made a thread whining, am i?.

Pick and use is an advantage, but hey, weapons need something that make them good.

[excruciator]

every gun has a prob with register, 1 hit killers has a bigger probs than for example a auto, but in advanced gun skill, 1 hit even if auto matters a lot, just like with 1 hit killers. So yeah, every gun has prob with the reg.

Every gun does, but 1 hit killers have long cooldown.

Can be thrown in the air, but if you miss you wont do a thing(obvious thing).

That isnt a problem. (Its an advantage for other weapons ;S)

you dont see another weapon that reloads after beings picked up do you?

You list the "Pick and use" as a advantage, its kinda useless to pick the knife again(you can pick any other weapon and get the power of a main one).

its a yes then?

Yes.

First, you know the risk when you picked the weapon, so dont whine about the cooldown, its something that keeps the gun being balanced. Also, pick and use is not a advantage, pick and use without reload is a advantage. So the reload time depends on how long whould took you to get the knife back. can be a eternity, or 1 sec. of course, that is a advantage since the reload is a variable.

Im not the one who made a thread whining, am i?.

Pick and use is an advantage, but hey, weapons need something that make them good.

A bit too good maybe??

First of all, if my thread was a whine, then everyone in the weapon balance section would be whiners.
2nd. Pick and use is indeed a advantage, + many other advantage of knife, make it the perfect choice or the overpowered choice.

the only thing that restrict a 1 hit killer is its reload and delay. since 1.3.1 delay of has shortended, so pretty much only thing that restrict is is the reload. since its pick-up'ble, that restriction is also less significant. Im not saying that knife shouldnt be picked up, I just think there should be more restrictions.

[TiReD]

every gun has a prob with register, 1 hit killers has a bigger probs than for example a auto, but in advanced gun skill, 1 hit even if auto matters a lot, just like with 1 hit killers. So yeah, every gun has prob with the reg.

Every gun does, but 1 hit killers have long cooldown.

Can be thrown in the air, but if you miss you wont do a thing(obvious thing).

That isnt a problem. (Its an advantage for other weapons ;S)

you dont see another weapon that reloads after beings picked up do you?

You list the "Pick and use" as a advantage, its kinda useless to pick the knife again(you can pick any other weapon and get the power of a main one).

its a yes then?

Yes.

First, you know the risk when you picked the weapon, so dont whine about the cooldown, its something that keeps the gun being balanced. Also, pick and use is not a advantage, pick and use without reload is a advantage. So the reload time depends on how long whould took you to get the knife back. can be a eternity, or 1 sec. of course, that is a advantage since the reload is a variable.

Im not the one who made a thread whining, am i?.

Pick and use is an advantage, but hey, weapons need something that make them good.

A bit too good maybe??

First of all, if my thread was a whine, then everyone in the weapon balance section would be whiners.
2nd. Pick and use is indeed a advantage, + many other advantage of knife, make it the perfect choice or the overpowered choice.

the only thing that restrict a 1 hit killer is its reload and delay. since 1.3.1 delay of has shortended, so pretty much only thing that restrict is is the reload. since its pick-up'ble, that restriction is also less significant. Im not saying that knife shouldnt be picked up, I just think there should be more restrictions.

Youre aiming at the wrong thing, dude.

"OMG THIS KNIFE PHAGETS R KILLIN ME TOO MUCH OVERPOWARAD OVERPOWARAD"

Think about it, which is worse... a weapon that can miss easily, that has huge problems with hit register, that doesnt have a HUGE range. OR a weapon that has no reload time, huge range(for being a secondary), that has decent damage, a nice clip?.

[Despair]

Wow you quoted me.  Seriously, unless they are bored, you won't see much barrett users without socoms. It's not fucking 1% you ignorant fool.

[.Long-Range]

I use knife as a secondary but you can't really say it's better than EVERY secondary. Of course, it depends on the situation. It isn't some overpowered weapon otherwise you'd see everyone using it. You can counter a knifer with a LAW from far away, same thing with a socom. Also, making up a random percent certainly won't help prove a point.

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Wow you quoted me.  Seriously, unless they are bored, you won't see much barrett users without socoms. It's not  ing 1% you ignorant fool.

ok make it 2% pal, does that do anything for you?

and ps.: barrett knife is much more effective.

also answer the question despair.

Longrange: 3 people replied, 2 said that they use knife as secondary, 1 didnt say anything, and I said no. so thats makes a decent 50%, eventhough its only 4 people, you see that knife is pretty popular. and there is a chance that despair uses knife.

I have to keep quoting myself....

people dont choose stuff for no reason. and the reason why people chooses knife over law/saw/socom is because knife is better than the rest. and that is not balanced.

my statement is based on the assumption that people are not all idiots. Everything we do has a reason. you choose knife? why? maybe you saw someone pwn with it so much? maybe its good? maybe its only secondary worth using?

also sure, Law can own knife at longrange, socom can own knife if the knifer misses or if hes further away.
Well. Law and socom has to have SOME advantage over knife, otherwise they are useless. eventhough Law has a advantage over knife, that doesnt make knife less overpowered.(M79 was nerfed because it was overpowered, yet, a decent barrett can still pick off a m79 from far away, but they still nerfed it eventhough barrett has a advantage over it)

I went to law because I dont follow the popular trends, just like I don't depend on nade for kills.

every gun has a prob with register, 1 hit killers has a bigger probs than for example a auto, but in advanced gun skill, 1 hit even if auto matters a lot, just like with 1 hit killers. So yeah, every gun has prob with the reg.

Every gun does, but 1 hit killers have long cooldown.

Can be thrown in the air, but if you miss you wont do a thing(obvious thing).

That isnt a problem. (Its an advantage for other weapons ;S)

you dont see another weapon that reloads after beings picked up do you?

You list the "Pick and use" as a advantage, its kinda useless to pick the knife again(you can pick any other weapon and get the power of a main one).

its a yes then?

Yes.

First, you know the risk when you picked the weapon, so dont whine about the cooldown, its something that keeps the gun being balanced. Also, pick and use is not a advantage, pick and use without reload is a advantage. So the reload time depends on how long whould took you to get the knife back. can be a eternity, or 1 sec. of course, that is a advantage since the reload is a variable.

Im not the one who made a thread whining, am i?.

Pick and use is an advantage, but hey, weapons need something that make them good.

A bit too good maybe??

First of all, if my thread was a whine, then everyone in the weapon balance section would be whiners.
2nd. Pick and use is indeed a advantage, + many other advantage of knife, make it the perfect choice or the overpowered choice.

the only thing that restrict a 1 hit killer is its reload and delay. since 1.3.1 delay of has shortended, so pretty much only thing that restrict is is the reload. since its pick-up'ble, that restriction is also less significant. Im not saying that knife shouldnt be picked up, I just think there should be more restrictions.

Youre aiming at the wrong thing, dude.

"OMG THIS KNIFE PHAGETS R KILLIN ME TOO MUCH OVERPOWARAD OVERPOWARAD"

Think about it, which is worse... a weapon that can miss easily, that has huge problems with hit register, that doesnt have a HUGE range. OR a weapon that has no reload time, huge range(for being a secondary), that has decent damage, a nice clip?

then seriously, why do you use it??? explain the why there is a lot more knifers in gathers or in pubs than laws or saws or socoms?

Think about it, which is worse... a weapon that can miss easily, that has huge problems with hit register, that doesnt have a HUGE range. OR a weapon that has no reload time, huge range(for being a secondary), that has decent damage, a nice clip?

"Weapon can miss easily": you can miss with every weapon.
"huge problem with register: law and m79 has bigger reg problems.
"doesnt have HUGE range": you really need it? even if it has, can you make a 40m kill? I think not. also most fights are up close. So again, dont bring the bottom 10% into consideration.
"OR a weapon that has no reload time": you saying....knife?
"decent dmg, and a nice clip?" Knife owns socom because knife kills faster, maybe you should take this into consideration. Also socom is basically a mini auto that can be owned by a auto with a decent skill. I've never had any probs with socomers.

[LtKillroy]

My only comments on this thread.
Knife is hard to use, hence it is balanced. Ruger dominates ever single gun in the game at nearly any range, but it is one of the most difficult to use effectively. So it is balanced.

[excruciator]

http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=16984.0 ---------ruger!! is it really balanced?

lets talk about functions of weapons first.
Primary, the main weapon, used in every situation.
secondary, the secondary weapon, used only when it suited or at last resort.

Secondary cannot be balanced for difficulty of handling because its a weapon of choice. You choose when to use it. if you suck with it, you can simply go near the target and kill him.

 every gun is hard to use to some degree, why should knife be any different.

[TiReD]

then seriously, why do you use it??? explain the why there is a lot more knifers in gathers or in pubs than laws or saws or socoms?

I didnt want to get offensive, but youre getting on my nerves... dude.

i USE knife when using HK cause i need a INSTA KILL WEAPON, why? THINK A LITTLE

WHAT IS  ING BETTER

2 WEAPONS THAT KILL GRADUALLY OR 1 GRADUAL DAMAGE AND 1 INSTANT KILL

WHEN I USE A  ING BARRETT I NEED A  ING SOCCOM SO I DONT WASTE A BULLET THAT CAN KILL INSTANTLY ON A WEAK DUDE

I think not. also most fights are up close. So again, dont bring the bottom 10% into consideration.

Do you never play agaisnt a good AK? a good ruger? a good barrett?  THOSE ARE  ING POPULAR WEAPONS, STOP PULLING STATS OUT OF YOUR ASS, DUDE.

"OR a weapon that has no reload time": you saying....knife?
"decent dmg, and a nice clip?" Knife owns socom because knife kills faster, maybe you should take this into consideration. Also socom is basically a mini auto that can be owned by a auto with a decent skill. I've never had any probs with socomers."

I meant the soccom with the no reload time.

You know, things are DIFFERENT when they are controlled by PEOPLE, and not BOTS that do what theyre SUPPOSED to do without FAILING.

[darkangel]

look I'm going to be straight  knife is hard to use it , honestly i hate it so bad , but i a good weapon of course i have my complains cause i have more range than a Nade, or is kind Of annoying that your running and a guy came super fast to u and he trows his knife and kills you before u can do a thing , jaja i have like a list of the stuff i hate about knife but any ways i mean i a game take this for reference, a knife in soldat kills u whit one cut , but ain't suppose a bullet make more damage that a knife???, HELL YEAH but imagine if a bullet make real damage, man we`ll be so over i mean with autos it would be hell i mean 3 shots and your death ,that's why a knife have more damage cause is more awarded u need to get close to yours opponent to kill him no like a bullet that can be fire far away , well that's it from in short  knife is a cool weapon if u know how to use it good but we(player that no use knife need something like a law that can be shot in the air cause we need a better weapon against knife)

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then seriously, why do you use it??? explain the why there is a lot more knifers in gathers or in pubs than laws or saws or socoms?

I didnt want to get offensive, but youre getting on my nerves... dude.

i USE knife when using HK cause i need a INSTA KILL WEAPON, why? THINK A LITTLE

WHAT IS ING BETTER

2 WEAPONS THAT KILL GRADUALLY OR 1 GRADUAL DAMAGE AND 1 INSTANT KILL

WHEN I USE A ING BARRETT I NEED A ING SOCCOM SO I DONT WASTE A BULLET THAT CAN KILL INSTANTLY ON A WEAK DUDE

I think not. also most fights are up close. So again, dont bring the bottom 10% into consideration.

Do you never play agaisnt a good AK? a good ruger? a good barrett? THOSE ARE ING POPULAR WEAPONS, STOP PULLING STATS OUT OF YOUR ASS, DUDE.

"OR a weapon that has no reload time": you saying....knife?
"decent dmg, and a nice clip?" Knife owns socom because knife kills faster, maybe you should take this into consideration. Also socom is basically a mini auto that can be owned by a auto with a decent skill. I've never had any probs with socomers."

I meant the soccom with the no reload time.

You know, things are DIFFERENT when they are controlled by PEOPLE, and not BOTS that do what theyre SUPPOSED to do without FAILING.

First, I think a weapon that 1 hit kills is better than a weapon that kills gradualy. because if the auto and the knife react at the sametime, the auto wouldnt be able to deal enough dmg before the knife kills him. Also there is the law, why did you choose the knife over the law?

and...last time I checked, there is a reload for socom...

 I 1 on 1 aks all the time. sure they are long range fighters, but if you actually run away and throw the knife you would be able to hit further than you normally could.

ever seen 50m knife kills? I know I did

[Despair]

man I won't argue with this
you are pulling this out of your ass

[.Ryan.]

The knife is only as good as the user, like every other weapon in soldat

[TiReD]

then seriously, why do you use it??? explain the why there is a lot more knifers in gathers or in pubs than laws or saws or socoms?

I didnt want to get offensive, but youre getting on my nerves... dude.

i USE knife when using HK cause i need a INSTA KILL WEAPON, why? THINK A LITTLE

WHAT IS ING BETTER

2 WEAPONS THAT KILL GRADUALLY OR 1 GRADUAL DAMAGE AND 1 INSTANT KILL

WHEN I USE A ING BARRETT I NEED A ING SOCCOM SO I DONT WASTE A BULLET THAT CAN KILL INSTANTLY ON A WEAK DUDE

I think not. also most fights are up close. So again, dont bring the bottom 10% into consideration.

Do you never play agaisnt a good AK? a good ruger? a good barrett? THOSE ARE ING POPULAR WEAPONS, STOP PULLING STATS OUT OF YOUR ASS, DUDE.

"OR a weapon that has no reload time": you saying....knife?
"decent dmg, and a nice clip?" Knife owns socom because knife kills faster, maybe you should take this into consideration. Also socom is basically a mini auto that can be owned by a auto with a decent skill. I've never had any probs with socomers."

I meant the soccom with the no reload time.

You know, things are DIFFERENT when they are controlled by PEOPLE, and not BOTS that do what theyre SUPPOSED to do without FAILING.

First, I think a weapon that 1 hit kills is better than a weapon that kills gradualy. because if the auto and the knife react at the sametime, the auto wouldnt be able to deal enough dmg before the knife kills him. Also there is the law, why did you choose the knife over the law?

and...last time I checked, there is a reload for socom...

 I 1 on 1 aks all the time. sure they are long range fighters, but if you actually run away and throw the knife you would be able to hit further than you normally could.

ever seen 50m knife kills? I know I did

I use knife cause im a fast paced player, hence the hk.

If you know a guy has a knife you obviously have to keep a distance, dude, just like if you know a guy is using a AK or a long range weapon and he just floats there with jet, when you get to him with a short range weapon like the knife, youre gonna have like 35%?.

Ive done long knives, doesnt mean they can always be done, and theyre on large maps like run and not thrown on a straight line.

The reload for soccom is so minimal it can count as no reload...

[excruciator]

The knife is only as good as the user, like every other weapon in soldat

so in your opinions, majors wit m79s are pros right?

also Tired: why dont you answer the question before you write anything. Why dont you choose law over knife??

If you know a guy has a knife you obviously have to keep a distance, dude, just like if you know a guy is using a AK or a long range weapon and he just floats there with jet, when you get to him with a short range weapon like the knife, youre gonna have like 35%?.

thats why you have primaries!!! you dont compare a secondary with a primary, a secondary isnt supposed to be able to kill anything at any time... overwise primaries would be useless.

Ive done long knives, doesnt mean they can always be done, and theyre on large maps like run and not thrown on a straight line.

So it is possible to make a kill at long range. (you fight more diagonally than vertically or horizontally, so knife doesnt have that much restrictions after all.

The reload for soccom is so minimal it can count as no reload...

minimal reload =/= no reload, thought that you should learn that by now.