Need Steyr Experts

[Mitak]

Well I must admit that AK sucks since 1.4
I started playing Soldat from 1.2.1 and until 1.3.1 bots made me company. Then I entered Multiplayer and at first took the MP5.
As far as I remember it was longer ranged, and AK was even more accurate, while Steyr was kinda sucky.
Now I stick with AK because I just suck with everything else. Since 1.4 I wrote down the kills after each game for about a week, then summed them and divided by their number. I got an average of 30.74 kills per map.

Then 1.4.1 was out - did the same and got worse results - about 28.03 kills per map.

And in 1.4.2 I already do nearly 40-45 kills per map as average. All of that is with AK.

I'm afraid it might get switched to the AK in earlier versions and everything will screw up.

Nevertheless, AK is my choice and no "pro" can make me change my mind and think that AKers are just loser sprayers.

[Tim.]

Now I stick with AK because I just suck with everything else. Since 1.4 I wrote down the kills after each game

Then 1.4.1 was out - did the same and got worse results - about 28.03 kills per map.

If you seriously wrote all your average kills  down after each map, i highly advise you to find a life.


To the subject:

Steyr has an incredible speed plus fast reload time (Compared to its damage, reload time) Because of the speed the bullets will stay into one line, which is deadly,That's why i use the steyr more often than the AK, and Mp5. Also  keep in mind the other guns have some disadvantages; Take the AK as example; The bullets have more delay than Steyr does, correct? The bullets will reach their goal later than steyr does  Into my eyes that's a disadvantage. Now about the mp5 their bullets will make it less far than the steyr does and will be less useful from of lower-side battles.

[xtishereb]

The MP5 is most useful in tight areas with little maneuvering room. In general, it is a good Arena-like map weapon.
The AK-74 is most useful in open areas with many players. I believe it was called a "frag machine" at one point, due to the high magazine capacity and accuracy. I have the most success with it on Bravo in Infiltration mode, as waves of enemies will charge you, giving you good targets.
The AUG is most useful in varying terrain, as it has both accuracy if bursted and fire rate in close-combat situations. It's a good weapon to use if you don't know a specific weakness to exploit in the map or players.
The M249 is most useful, IMHO, in 1 on 1 combat since you'll probably have enough time to reload after a frag. Otherwise, it is best used in team combat situations as support / cover fire.

[Brock]

In short,

- High power in close quarters, quick reload, crappy at long range.
- High power and accuracy at all ranges, good clip, long reload.
- Fast bullets, Amazing binking power, Quick reload, loses accuracy on full auto
- Big ol' clip, Good power, nice accuracy when controlled, long reload, Crappy in full auto

[InuYasha]

You forgot the minigun

[Brock]

You forgot that the minigun is useless.

[Di3hard]

I argee with brock you total forgot that the minigun is a waste of bullets

[Pragma]

- Fast bullets, Amazing binking power, Quick reload, loses accuracy on full auto

I always fire the AUG in 3-4 round bursts, no only to keep accuracy but to conserve ammo.  IMO, it's *the* way to use this gun.

I argee with brock you total forgot that the minigun is a waste of bullets

In an open firefight, that's true.  It's awesome at some things though - I've heard some refer to it as a "lag thrower".  It also is great at generating supressing fire in tight spaces, or turning players into hamburger.

[`ShokTrooper]

Steyr is the only auto i use because of it flexiblity and if u had any long experience with it u no its very accurate on full auto

[btfx]

I always fire the AUG in 3-4 round bursts, no only to keep accuracy but to conserve ammo.  IMO, it's *the* way to use this gun.

Yep. The first few are accurate, it depends what gun (3 - Steyr, 4 - AK I think...). So that kind of semi-full-auto is def effective.

Whenever I'm feeling a little tired/lazy I switch to AK and support from a little further back.

[theSTATWHORE]

It's probably my favorite spray weapon because it's easy to be accurate using burst fires of it.

MP5 I use for when I need to hit someone rapidly.

AK for pulse clicking fire and range.

As for the Mini, I use it to spray into wide areas to bink single fire enemies, spray it off into oncoming enemies as a friendly flag carrier runs, use it in conjunction with an M79 or Spas to do large travels (INF), and various scenarios where you have to add support fire for your team.

[Zehive]

I seriously doubt you can find players that bad to be able to gain 30+ kills within 5 mins.

Unless you're talking about bots....

That's definitely not impossible. Just get many people in a small map. A good player could achieve those 30 kills.

Although I REALLY hate to necro, Id like to point out that +30kills is my max Ive ever gotten in 5 minutes, on the map Ash.

[m2dDoG]

If you can use steyr well,it can be way more deadly than Hk and Ak,because Steyr has fast reload,kinda long range and its fast.
 Hk has way to short range and its good only on small maps. Ak is slow,i just cant aim whit it.

I always fire the AUG in 3-4 round bursts, no only to keep accuracy but to conserve ammo.  IMO, it's *the* way to use this gun.

Aint it a bit too often? I'd rather use 8-12 round bursts.

[M.rSnow]

If you can use steyr well,it can be way more deadly than Hk and Ak,because Steyr has fast reload,kinda long range and its fast.
 Hk has way to short range and its good only on small maps. Ak is slow,i just cant aim whit it.

I always fire the AUG in 3-4 round bursts, no only to keep accuracy but to conserve ammo.  IMO, it's *the* way to use this gun.

Aint it a bit too often? I'd rather use 8-12 round bursts.

I think that depends on what mode your playing. In realistic 4-6 is best in my opinion. In normal mode you can take pretty much anything so i just use knife as primary.

[SniperTheKiller]

If you can use steyr well,it can be way more deadly than Hk and Ak,because Steyr has fast reload,kinda long range and its fast.
 Hk has way to short range and its good only on small maps. Ak is slow,i just cant aim whit it.

I always fire the AUG in 3-4 round bursts, no only to keep accuracy but to conserve ammo.  IMO, it's *the* way to use this gun.

Aint it a bit too often? I'd rather use 8-12 round bursts.

Not if you're a fast clicker:)

[excruciator]

eh, same I burst by 6-8.

[XfalconX]

[HK MP5]
Damage=102
FireInterval=6
Ammo=30
ReloadTime=105
Speed=189
BulletStyle=1
StartUpTime=0
Bink=-11
MovementAcc=1
Recoil=0

[Ak-74]
Damage=103
FireInterval=10
Ammo=40
ReloadTime=150
Speed=240
BulletStyle=1
StartUpTime=0
Bink=-16
MovementAcc=2
Recoil=0

[Steyr AUG]
Damage=73
FireInterval=7
Ammo=30
ReloadTime=115
Speed=260
BulletStyle=1
StartUpTime=0
Bink=-22
MovementAcc=2
Recoil=0

Steyr should get a longer reload...

Also: Speed affects damage

Steyr users should aim to the head(1 click per bullet), and use the pushback to hold back people while killing them, unless theyre plainly rushing(Use nades for insta kill, try to stay far from barrett people unless they wasted their shot, try to get close to ak users and use nade+bullets combo to kill them fast. When agaisnt a HK try to get him to waste bullets while hes getting close to you, then kill him easily.

In resume, Steyr has the range that the HK doesnt, and it has the speed that the AK doesnt.

From this post and looking at weapons.ini, it seems like the steyr SUCKS at damage.  And it also seems like the mp5 is only 1 less damage than the AK!  Am I wrong, is there something that I'm missing here like anything else that effects the damage?

[Kerrazyeye]

Uhh, falcon...In your own quote its bolded for you "Speed affects damage". And 1 clicking with an aug (and even the minimi IMO) negates one of the very things that make it a good gun, firerate. It doesnt matter how many bullets you decide to fire each click, as long as they go where you want them to go then they havn't been wasted.

[STM1993]

From this post and looking at weapons.ini, it seems like the steyr SUCKS at damage.  And it also seems like the mp5 is only 1 less damage than the AK!  Am I wrong, is there something that I'm missing here like anything else that effects the damage?

Errm falcon...

The BULLET SPEED affects damage. If you want to really calculate the damage, here's how:

Damage x 100% x Bullet Speed

Why x 100% ? That's the amount of damage done if the bullet hits the BODY. If it hits the leg the damage is lower and if the head, higher.

Click here!

^ If you're lazy to calculate, here's the "REAL Damage" values for all the autos.

If you looked at the link or calculated, you'd realize that (excluding Minigun):

Steyr Aug has the lowest damage per shot.
MP5's is the 2nd lowest.
Minimi's is pretty good.
AK's the strongest.

Of course, these are all calculations. There are other factors as well. Factors include how long the bullet has travelled, for the longer a bullet travels, the lower the damage as a result of reduced bullet speed.

[XfalconX]

  Lol, thanks.  I should have looked more carefully.