gun worse than any other gun.

[The Owls]

Actually, the balance is pretty much based off of the fact that semi-users don't hit every shot.  Which they don't, no matter how amazing they are.  If my memory serves me correctly, every semi kills faster then every auto.  What autos have going for them though, is the fact that they have a line of bullets helping them aim, along with extra ammo to finish off their kill.

[Supernaut]

What type of a gun do you use The Owls? Semis I bet?

[7th_account]

What differance does it make what gun he uses? >__> He rambled facts from the weapons.ini. Do the math yourself.

[Supernaut]

A line of bullets helping to aim is not a fact from weapons.ini , is it? Besides I am curious.

[ElGato]

It's a fact from Soldat, start it up and test. And I've seen him use many guns, no point in questioning skill because he is good with every gun I have seen him use.. steyr mostly I think.

 And excruciator, all I am saying is no gun is "short range" when you are good aside from maybe the m79 because it is so easy to avoid at range. I said that at first then you quoted and replied that your definition of short range is simply how effective they are at what range.. which doesn't make sense because they are all more effective the shorter the range. I hate having to type out full explanations but you just don't seem to get what I am saying with my quotes, replies and what it all implies. The spas is the gun most affected by range, thus it is the best example of a short range gun in the way you described them. Which is not what you had said earlier. Either your wording is bad or you have no idea what you are saying from post to post.

[excruciator]

It's a fact from Soldat, start it up and test. And I've seen him use many guns, no point in questioning skill because he is good with every gun I have seen him use.. steyr mostly I think.

 And excruciator, all I am saying is no gun is "short range" when you are good aside from maybe the m79 because it is so easy to avoid at range. I said that at first then you quoted and replied thbutat your definition of short range is simply how effective they are at what range.. which doesn't make sense because they are all more effective the shorter the range. I hate having to type out full explanations but you just don't seem to get what I am saying with my quotes, replies and what it all implies. The spas is the gun most affected by range, thus it is the best example of a short range gun in the way you described them. Which is not what you had said earlier. Either your wording is bad or you have no idea what you are saying from post to post.

wrong, HK is more effective at short range than long, short range or not you are not comparing it with other weapon you are still comparing it with the weapon itself, only the range is different.

but yeah you are right, spas is most affected by the range thus its a short range weapon.
but AWP in CS would be most a mid long range weapon because they are much better at long range because of the scope system and CS version of moviment acc. Again you are not comparing it with other weapons, just with the weapon itself.

[ElGato]

wrong, HK is more effective at short range than long, short range or not you are not comparing it with other weapon you are still comparing it with the weapon itself, only the range is different.

I agree the HK is more effective at short range... I said that in the very post you quoted. The rest of the sentence I don't understand.

but yeah you are right, spas is most affected by the range thus its a short range weapon.
but AWP in CS would be most a mid long range weapon because they are much better at long range because of the scope system and CS version of moviment acc. Again you are not comparing it with other weapons, just with the weapon itself.

I don't play CS thus the comparison is lost on me. And if you agree the spas is most affected by range than how can you call it a "mid range" gun when you clearly said range is determined by how effective they are at what range.

[The Owls]

I don't see how what I said was random facts from the weapons.ini.  But whatever, I haven't looked at that thing in forever.  I tend to use autos more often then semis personally. 

As for the issue of range.  All weapons are better at short range.  What determines how good the weapon is at long range is how much of it's killing power diminishes over range.  For some weapons like the barrett, it's almost none.  And for other weapons like the mp5, it's a huge constrictor. 

That being said, pretty much every weapon has the power to kill someone at least one screen length away, save maybe the m79.  But hitting someone with a shotty or with a stream of mp5 bullets when they're a full screen away is a lot more difficult then if you were using an ak or a ruger.

[Shadow G-Unit]

TOPIC NAME: gun worse than any other gun.

ANSWER: Minigun...

This is really not spam because isn't that what the topic name is asking.

[mxyzptlk]

TOPIC NAME: gun worse than any other gun.

ANSWER: Minigun...

This is really not spam because isn't that what the topic name is asking.

I disagree. The minigun has several useful scenarios. I use it all the time, successfully.

[1221995]

TOPIC NAME: gun worse than any other gun.

ANSWER: Minigun...

This is really not spam because isn't that what the topic name is asking.

I disagree. The minigun has several useful scenarios. I use it all the time, successfully.

I think youre right. I dont use it that often, but in some cases it can be very usefull... One of its weaknesses is the fact that it has a slightly lenghty startup time... Otherwise, it's pretty nice...

P.S.
The M79 is the gun for me... To all you m79 haters out there, deal with it (lol) ;p

[Pie]

I think the mp5 is a excellent weapon if in the right hands, it just takes far more patience to become good with and better moveacc skills.....

I see more kills with socom then mp5 Which is bad, i used to use mp5 constantly, now i completly avoid it in favor of the styer or AK, Mp5 is only good in realistic, but it needs a *Something* to make it better in Non R servers and pubs

[excruciator]

wrong, HK is more effective at short range than long, short range or not you are not comparing it with other weapon you are still comparing it with the weapon itself, only the range is different.

I agree the HK is more effective at short range... I said that in the very post you quoted. The rest of the sentence I don't understand.

but yeah you are right, spas is most affected by the range thus its a short range weapon.
but AWP in CS would be most a mid long range weapon because they are much better at long range because of the scope system and CS version of moviment acc. Again you are not comparing it with other weapons, just with the weapon itself.

I don't play CS thus the comparison is lost on me. And if you agree the spas is most affected by range than how can you call it a "mid range" gun when you clearly said range is determined by how effective they are at what range.

because in this version the range of the spas is increased thus its not a short range weapon like its supposed to be.

Date Posted: November 12, 2007, 11:50:00 am

I think the mp5 is a excellent weapon if in the right hands, it just takes far more patience to become good with and better moveacc skills.....

I see more kills with socom then mp5 Which is bad, i used to use mp5 constantly, now i completly avoid it in favor of the styer or AK, Mp5 is only good in realistic, but it needs a *Something* to make it better in Non R servers and pubs

mp5 is not as bad as you portraited pie. It kills much faster if you made ton of hits.
voX control pwned me with it, and im a AUGer.  But yeah, im in favor of a dmg boost.

[Pie]

wrong, HK is more effective at short range than long, short range or not you are not comparing it with other weapon you are still comparing it with the weapon itself, only the range is different.

I agree the HK is more effective at short range... I said that in the very post you quoted. The rest of the sentence I don't understand.

but yeah you are right, spas is most affected by the range thus its a short range weapon.
but AWP in CS would be most a mid long range weapon because they are much better at long range because of the scope system and CS version of moviment acc. Again you are not comparing it with other weapons, just with the weapon itself.

I don't play CS thus the comparison is lost on me. And if you agree the spas is most affected by range than how can you call it a "mid range" gun when you clearly said range is determined by how effective they are at what range.

because in this version the range of the spas is increased thus its not a short range weapon like its supposed to be.

Date Posted: November 12, 2007, 11:50:00 am

I think the mp5 is a excellent weapon if in the right hands, it just takes far more patience to become good with and better moveacc skills.....

I see more kills with socom then mp5 Which is bad, i used to use mp5 constantly, now i completly avoid it in favor of the styer or AK, Mp5 is only good in realistic, but it needs a *Something* to make it better in Non R servers and pubs

mp5 is not as bad as you portraited pie. It kills much faster if you made ton of hits.
voX control pwned me with it, and im a AUGer.  But yeah, im in favor of a dmg boost.

But you have to hit a TON, compared to minimi, you only have to hit 15-25 and you've got a 50 round clip so you've got 2-3 kills right there with MP5, you've got to hit at least 20 at a fairly close range or it doesn't kill.

[Crimson Goth]

Idk why people choose Spaz over Mp5, I've taken out plenty of Spaz users with the Mp5.

[Ziem]

I often use mp5... it's pretty good in mid-short range.

[excruciator]

wrong, HK is more effective at short range than long, short range or not you are not comparing it with other weapon you are still comparing it with the weapon itself, only the range is different.

I agree the HK is more effective at short range... I said that in the very post you quoted. The rest of the sentence I don't understand.

but yeah you are right, spas is most affected by the range thus its a short range weapon.
but AWP in CS would be most a mid long range weapon because they are much better at long range because of the scope system and CS version of moviment acc. Again you are not comparing it with other weapons, just with the weapon itself.

I don't play CS thus the comparison is lost on me. And if you agree the spas is most affected by range than how can you call it a "mid range" gun when you clearly said range is determined by how effective they are at what range.

because in this version the range of the spas is increased thus its not a short range weapon like its supposed to be.

Date Posted: November 12, 2007, 11:50:00 am

I think the mp5 is a excellent weapon if in the right hands, it just takes far more patience to become good with and better moveacc skills.....

I see more kills with socom then mp5 Which is bad, i used to use mp5 constantly, now i completly avoid it in favor of the styer or AK, Mp5 is only good in realistic, but it needs a *Something* to make it better in Non R servers and pubs

mp5 is not as bad as you portraited pie. It kills much faster if you made ton of hits.
voX control pwned me with it, and im a AUGer.  But yeah, im in favor of a dmg boost.

But you have to hit a TON, compared to minimi, you only have to hit 15-25 and you've got a 50 round clip so you've got 2-3 kills right there with MP5, you've got to hit at least 20 at a fairly close range or it doesn't kill.

but it fires so fast, it would take the same amount of time for you to fire 10 round of minimi then 20 round of mp5

[a-4-year-old]

I reload after every couple encounters with the minimi. If I didn't I would run out mid fight. if it was a 40 round clip it wouldn't change my tactic at all. However, I have to reload the mp5 after any encounter, just because I use as much as 20 bullets on any one enemy.

[excruciator]

I reload after every couple encounters with the minimi. If I didn't I would run out mid fight. if it was a 40 round clip it wouldn't change my tactic at all. However, I have to reload the mp5 after any encounter, just because I use as much as 20 bullets on any one enemy.

I would rather have 3 short reloads than 1 giant reload

[TiReD]

I reload after every couple encounters with the minimi. If I didn't I would run out mid fight. if it was a 40 round clip it wouldn't change my tactic at all. However, I have to reload the mp5 after any encounter, just because I use as much as 20 bullets on any one enemy.

I would rather have 3 short reloads than 1 giant reload

Enjoy running out of ammo on big fights.