gun worse than any other gun.

[Centurion]

Ow really? What "game" r/s is then? Counter Strike? Grand Theft Auto? Liero? Shut up and discuss which weapon is worse than any other gun.

[Ziem]

Omg, the discussion is about normal mode, and about mp5. (which isn't underpowered FFS)

Shut up and discuss

Pwnt. xD

[.Ryan.]

Ok then, ill hold an auto tournament, anyone who can beat me with mp5 whilst i use my favorite ak or minimi..will get a special prize.  xfire is ryan390. this is one way to sort a difference of opinion. if it's not underpowered then you shouldnt have any trouble dealing with me.

[Twistkill]

Ok then, ill hold an auto tournament, anyone who can beat me with mp5 whilst i use my favorite ak or minimi..will get a special prize.  xfire is ryan390. this is one way to sort a difference of opinion. if it's not underpowered then you shouldnt have any trouble dealing with me.

You're basing the balance of one weapon in a game of thousands of people on the skill levels of only 2? That is hardly effective.

[.Ryan.]

Don't assume everyone has a skill level of 2.

[Twistkill]

Don't assume everyone has a skill level of 2.

That isn't even what I said. Please go reread my post thoroughly.

[.Ryan.]

What exactly are you saying? do you want me to use every weapon against Mp5? im only concerned about the mp5's balance with the other auto weapons. i can test it vs every auto if you want, and your welcome to try too.

[Ziem]

Ah, I dont have xfire! xD
I don't play mp5, and your "test" is rather crappy, as you can just keep your distance on 1on1.
You can't easily do the same when playing 3vs3.

[The Owls]

Ow really? What "game" r/s is then? Counter Strike? Grand Theft Auto? Liero? Shut up and discuss which weapon is worse than any other gun.

Then you obviously don't understand that realistic uses a completely different balance then normal mode.

As for the mp5, I don't think it really needs increased damage or anything.  Though if it must, a damage increase of even 1 may be a bit to much.  It is used quite a lot in gathers and clanwars actually.  And is quite deadly at close range.

Also to everyone who wants to complain that a shotgun or rugger is more powerful then the mp5, well it is.  But all semi's kill faster then autos, that's how the game is designed.

[Twistkill]

What exactly are you saying? do you want me to use every weapon against Mp5? im only concerned about the mp5's balance with the other auto weapons. i can test it vs every auto if you want, and your welcome to try too.

Okay, I'm going to explicitly state this then:

You are going to claim a weapon to be over or under powered based on one skill test with only 2 people, in one game mode, along with other circumstantial evidence. Your testing is hardly thorough at all.

[TiReD]

What exactly are you saying? do you want me to use every weapon against Mp5? im only concerned about the mp5's balance with the other auto weapons. i can test it vs every auto if you want, and your welcome to try too.

Okay, I'm going to explicitly state this then:

You are going to claim a weapon to be over or under powered based on one skill test with only 2 people, in one game mode, along with other circumstantial evidence. Your testing is hardly thorough at all.

That test is to prove a point, not a end all.

[ds dude]

I say, instead of bullets, give the mp5 flame arrows. That will settle all our problems.

[Pie]

I've seen it used mostly as a spray like hell at the people chasing you or you're chasing and hope they die, because frankly, it isn't much good for much else, it does need a boost, just not a major one.
One of the advantages is it has a prominent arc on it, so you can sit in a ditch and spray it over the ditch and down a hill without getting snipped like a fool. But apart from that it doesn't do anything else very noteworthy. (Except maybe in close combat, but even then the spas is a better choice)

[.Ryan.]

In 5 years i'v never encountered anyone who completely pwns with the mp5, unlike the other weapons i could name a few for each individual weapon.

also a 1v1 would be a more accurate way of measuring up a weapon. Your complaining about me keeping distance from you in a 1v1 battle.. hardly my fault the mp5's range sucks.

A 3v3 battle wouldn't be a fair test unless red/blue was using the same weapons and the opposite team all use mp5. Infact if your so worried about the mp5 getting owned in a 1v1, then it proves my point completely. What's wrong with AK vs Minimi or steyr vs ak? or steyr vs minimi. it's not 'unfair' to test weapons in a 1v1.

If the Mp5 stands NO CHANCE AT ALL against ANY OTHER auto in a 1v1 battle, then im sorrry, but it needs a boost. that test is fair enough to realise it's not as great as people think.

[BondJamesBond]

.Ryan. your logic is absurd. Not all weapons are intended for 1v1s. For example, the saw is almost completely ineffective in 1v1s, but that is hardly the case in team matches. The same goes for most of the 1-hit kill weapons in Soldat.

A 1v1 is absolutely NOT an accurate measurement of weapon ability, because certain weapons excel where opponents are numerous. Case in point: grenades can take out a single player, but it is easier to place a grenade within the vicinity of a group of enemies and take out/injure more than one person.

In addition, a weapon is only as good its user. Let's say you have an average auto-user dueling a uber-pro sniper. Sniper will win, even though the auto should be able to bink and counter the Barret.

And most importantly: why does the MP5 have to be able to compare to autos? The MP5 is superb at binking and disorienting weapons like the deagles, ruger, and barret. The MP5 is also a good way to finish off a weakened enemy (for example, a barely living EFC).

You clearly have too shallow of a perspective on the weapons of Soldat.

[.Ryan.]

We are talking about soldat here right? and not call of duty 4.. there's nothing wrong with the logic in what I just said, why even bring saw into this I don't know. Any weapon is good for finishing off a weakened EFC... nades are usually used against 1 guy, you rarely get a chance to take out 2 ppl at the same time with nades especially in ctf gathers ect. A pro sniper wont always beat a good auto user, that's 'shallow' logic right there. I agree with 'a weapon is as good as it's user' but then that's not what this is about really. Also the Mp5 should compare with the other autos..it's a f** auto for gods sake. Come and show me how shallow my understanding of weapons is.. iv given my x fire and ill even do a 3v1 (3 mp5's vs my minimi) u have my x fire + u cant say thats unfair, or can you? im sure you will find a way *sigh*

or can you think of a better way to test out the mp5?

[Despair]

You can't really judge a weapon except on your own experiences!
I mean, I could own a dude with less skill level than me using ANY weapon! Does it mean that every weapon is balanced though?
In my experiences I've sometimes found the HK Mp5 more useful than a Steyr AUG, I don't really think it's bullshit. Maybe SLIGHTLY underpowered but not too much!

[.Ryan.]

Well that's basically what i wanted.. a slight increase in it's accuracy. key word being slight. I'm not saying it's a crap weapon im just saying it needs a slight boost.

[TiReD]

Not all weapons are intended for 1v1s. The same goes for most of the 1-hit kill weapons in Soldat.

A 1v1 is absolutely NOT an accurate measurement of weapon ability, because certain weapons excel where opponents are numerous. Case in point: grenades can take out a single player, but it is easier to place a grenade within the vicinity of a group of enemies and take out/injure more than one person.

In addition, a weapon is only as good its user. Let's say you have an average auto-user dueling a uber-pro sniper. Sniper will win, even though the auto should be able to bink and counter the Barret.

And most importantly: why does the MP5 have to be able to compare to autos? The MP5 is superb at binking and disorienting weapons like the deagles, ruger, and barret. The MP5 is also a good way to finish off a weakened enemy (for example, a barely living EFC).

1. All weapons are able to go on 1v1 except minigun, mp5 and m79(barrett is one of the best if you have a nice accuracy.)

2. Team matches are not a accurate measurement of skill, why? cause youve got other people weakening the enemy, and youre not focused on killing the other dudes.

3. Im sorry, what?. It being a auto doesnt mean its a "ZOMG U BINKED ME" weapon, its hard as hell to bink a lot with ak, and with mp5 its hard to even get to a barrett user to bink him. The "ultimate" binking weapon is steyr.

4. Why does it need to be able to compete with the other weapons that are like it?...

[Ziem]

Mp5 was a bit overpowered, so then it was nefred... And now ppl say that it's underpowered.
It's just situational weapon, not the allrounder, and can be owned by every long range weapon (when it's user holds the distance)