somewhat underpowered?

[a-4-year-old]

I'm not sure what specific role either the ak or aug are trying to fill. to me they are generic auto #1 and #2. The beta testing team should work on them so the autos at least have a different "personality" I use minimi just like the steyr with as much success. To me they are nearly identical. and the ak? meh, forget it. The damage doesn't seem to make up for the relatively slow firing, the mp5 has the opposite problem.

[The Rogue]

minimi is best auto imo if the person using it knows how to use it.

[7th_account]

4-y: The steyr is the surgical tool among the bunch. Rapide, high damage and accurate. Just enough for a kill. I'm in to swords this week, so picture yourself a rapier.

Ak is the workhorse and all-rounder. Capable of doing everything well, but not excel in any of the fields. It's even good for battling multiple enemies - The default of the defaultish longswords.

Minimi's characteristics include high damage, unreliable precision, slugishness and taking down multiple enemies at once. This would be a two-bladed, huge battleaxe.

Their roles will be a bit clearer in the next version.

[The Owls]

I thought the AK was unchanged in the beta balance on sna.gather.  I don't know, I haven't checked it in a while.

[7th_account]

Yup. But the others have changed, making the roles clearer.

[Überschall]

The weapons used to be stronger once upon a time, I'm very positive there. They lost a lot of power during the changes, because it always went like

"Let's nerv the AK, it's too hard"

Next Version:

"The AK is underpowered, the Steyr also needs to be nerfed."

Next Version:

"Now that AK and Steyr are weak, the Mp5 needs a nerfing, too".

And on and on.

[a-4-year-old]

Minimi is almost the same as a styer in the sense that it is fast firing with lower damage. How can it be a huge battleaxe when the styer is a rapier?

Mp5 is a Roman sword, only deadly shortrange its ignoreable at any significant range.

Ak is like the styer, except worse at practically everything.

Styer is the only one in 1.4.2 any respectable mercenary would ever unsheath.

It is nice to know that in the next version they will be as you say they are.

[7th_account]

In 1.4.2, minimi's bullets sting 21% more than steyr's. But the steyr can well compensate for this with its swiftness.

[excruciator]

I'm a decent steyr and I still have problem fighting the roman swords(mp5) because they are so swift, I have a bit of problem fighting the longsword(ak) because they can hit me before I hit them.
I think steyr is more of a scimitar, swift deadly yet longer than a roman sword but shorter than a longsword..

but I dont really like the current 1.4.3 balance for steyr..it makes it way too easy and make the reload more frequently.

still, its a general buff applausible??

[Clawbug]

I'm a decent steyr and I still have problem fighting the roman swords(mp5) because they are so swift, I have a bit of problem fighting the longsword(ak) because they can hit me before I hit them.
I think steyr is more of a scimitar, swift deadly yet longer than a roman sword but shorter than a longsword..

but I dont really like the current 1.4.3 balance for steyr..it makes it way too easy and make the reload more frequently.

still, its a general buff applausible??

How does AK hit you before you can hit them?

[ElGato]

I was gonna ask the same thing but I guess it would open up a lot more questions along with it. Like what does his last sentence mean...?

[Twistkill]

I was gonna ask the same thing but I guess it would open up a lot more questions along with it. Like what does his last sentence mean...?

Most likely "is a general buff plausible??", only his sentence become ambiguous due to misplaced characters.

[ElGato]

General buff to what though, Mp5 like the thread is about or the Steyr he is going on about?

[Twistkill]

General buff to what though, Mp5 like the thread is about or the Steyr he is going on about?

I'm willing to state that he was attempting to say a general buff to all of the weapons, due to the fact that the original topic of this thread was referring to all of the weapons, yes?

[Clawbug]

but I dont really like the current 1.4.3 balance for steyr..it makes it way too easy and make the reload more frequently.

Don't worry, you wll get used to it. Besides, 80% of people will hate new weapon balance, no matter what. If it isn't touched, people keep flaming beta team for doing nothing about the bad balance.

Quite fukked.

[Pie]

but I dont really like the current 1.4.3 balance for steyr..it makes it way too easy and make the reload more frequently.

Don't worry, you wll get used to it. Besides, 80% of people will hate new weapon balance, no matter what. If it isn't touched, people keep flaming beta team for doing nothing about the bad balance.

Quite fukked.

I suppose you're doing a good job, You're not swaying to anyone side, as much as you could be, And for that i'm grateful, Beta-ing must be hard sometimes?

[ElGato]

General buff to what though, Mp5 like the thread is about or the Steyr he is going on about?

I'm willing to state that he was attempting to say a general buff to all of the weapons, due to the fact that the original topic of this thread was referring to all of the weapons, yes?

I feel foolish, I thought this was the Mp5 one.

[excruciator]

I'm a decent steyr and I still have problem fighting the roman swords(mp5) because they are so swift, I have a bit of problem fighting the longsword(ak) because they can hit me before I hit them.
I think steyr is more of a scimitar, swift deadly yet longer than a roman sword but shorter than a longsword..

but I dont really like the current 1.4.3 balance for steyr..it makes it way too easy and make the reload more frequently.

still, its a general buff applausible??

How does AK hit you before you can hit them?

hah that was badly phrased... I meant that steyr isnt so accurate at mid longrange, also AUG's got less rounds and fires much faster... so its much harder for an AUG to pull those kind of fights than aks.
Also the MovimentAcc makes aiming very very hard..

I was gonna ask the same thing but I guess it would open up a lot more questions along with it. Like what does his last sentence mean...?

Most likely "is a general buff plausible??", only his sentence become ambiguous due to misplaced characters.

*look at the topic
*looks at the previous post....
*lurks a bit more

general buff = whatever everyone said earlier, buff all weapons.

Date Posted: November 27, 2007, 11:49:56 am

General buff to what though, Mp5 like the thread is about or the Steyr he is going on about?

I'm willing to state that he was attempting to say a general buff to all of the weapons, due to the fact that the original topic of this thread was referring to all of the weapons, yes?

HE'S GOT IT!

[ElGato]

I already admitted the mistake fool! :p But even after all this talk I still don't think a buff to damage is a good idea, unless it is very minimal and only to a choice few guns.

[excruciator]

all right, Ill choose eh.... all autos...