The beginning

[Mangled*]

If a book told you to jump off a cliff, would you? 

[a-4-year-old]

If a book told you a fact, would you remember it?

[Laser Guy]

Now thx to this post I can see some Christian friends here... anyway, yes, the chicken came first.

And if Bible told me to jump off a cliff I would, since it would be God's word and I should obey it.

Date Posted: December 01, 2007, 03:53:10 pmPS And don't think I'm crazy... but ayway, the Bible doesn't tell me to do so, so I won't

[Mangled*]

Would he forgive you if you didn't?

[mxyzptlk]

I just wanted to post this here, as it seems relevent:

[Svirin Kerath]

I would like to point out that the Bible says you can take slaves, so long as they're from neighboring countries, and you aren't allowed to eat pig meat, and it is a sin to go near a woman on her period.


So uh, to those who follow the Bible like that, those are good things to know.


And I would like to be the first to say that the egg came first, at least according to evolution. What came before the chicken was its biological ancestor, so it was another, slightly different creature that gave birth to an egg which contained a more modern chicken, as we know it. And so, the egg came first, from which hatched the first chicken.

[Graham]

I would like to point out that the Bible says you can take slaves, so long as they're from neighboring countries, and you aren't allowed to eat pig meat, and it is a sin to go near a woman on her period.


So uh, to those who follow the Bible like that, those are good things to know.

Ok next time before you say something like this then be sure you know what your are talking about and back it up with verses. Two reasons: most of the time people read one verse and take a side on an argument... which is wrong since the Bible wasn't made to be read in verses, doing so can make the meaning of things be lost. Two make sure you know what time period you are talking about, some verses in the Bible are speaking to the people of that time. 

[Svirin Kerath]

I would like to point out that the Bible says you can take slaves, so long as they're from neighboring countries, and you aren't allowed to eat pig meat, and it is a sin to go near a woman on her period.


So uh, to those who follow the Bible like that, those are good things to know.

Ok next time before you say something like this then be sure you know what your are talking about and back it up with verses. Two reasons: most of the time people read one verse and take a side on an argument... which is wrong since the Bible wasn't made to be read in verses, doing so can make the meaning of things be lost. Two make sure you know what time period you are talking about, some verses in the Bible are speaking to the people of that time. 

Well, god didn't say "Now Moses, these rules are just for you, just for now, until you guys understand sanitation and cooking better." If we understand the context and assume that god doesn't want us to follow those rules anymore, then we're not taking the Bible literally anymore, so even if it did say to jump off a cliff, we could say, "Well, of course, they're being metaphorical."

[KorrupT MerC]

As far as someone talking about ''where did God come from?''.

Christian perspective:

Our minds see everything existing with a beginning and an end. Thats all we ever see with our eyes, something being born and something dying. Our minds cant comprehend that God has existed forever and will exist forever, it just doesnt seem logical as everything we know is ruled by time but indeed he has.

"Why did he all of a sudden decide to create us?"

I had this question one time also, the bible doesnt give a straight answer but its more like a 'read between the lines' type of thing, as i was told. God is love. But love has no meaning if you have nothing to love, hence why he created us. He then took it further by sending his son to die for us (lay your life down for a friend, the ultimate sacrifice), showing that he loves us unconditionally, and he expects us to give our life to him.

Now, that may not make sense to a non-believer but thats how a christian see's it and how the bible explains it to a christian. The only way to even comprehend a little bit of God is to have faith, his existance is simply too superior for our minds to comprehend otherwise.

[Graham]

I would like to point out that the Bible says you can take slaves, so long as they're from neighboring countries, and you aren't allowed to eat pig meat, and it is a sin to go near a woman on her period.


So uh, to those who follow the Bible like that, those are good things to know.

Ok next time before you say something like this then be sure you know what your are talking about and back it up with verses. Two reasons: most of the time people read one verse and take a side on an argument... which is wrong since the Bible wasn't made to be read in verses, doing so can make the meaning of things be lost. Two make sure you know what time period you are talking about, some verses in the Bible are speaking to the people of that time. 

Well, god didn't say "Now Moses, these rules are just for you, just for now, until you guys understand sanitation and cooking better." If we understand the context and assume that god doesn't want us to follow those rules anymore, then we're not taking the Bible literally anymore, so even if it did say to jump off a cliff, we could say, "Well, of course, they're being metaphorical."

Actually alot of the misunderstood verse are before the death of Jesus when rules were needed on many, many things.  Again if you would do what I said and gave scripture to back up your argument I can debate your original point.. which would help solve this new debate... so... give me your sources >.>

[SDFilm]

i have never seen a real anwser to this question



everything was created by god but who created god

Human nature.

But what created Human nature and why? Ah, that is another question...

[Graham]

i have never seen a real anwser to this question



everything was created by god but who created god

Human nature.

But what created Human nature and why? Ah, that is another question...

God

[SDFilm]

i have never seen a real anwser to this question



everything was created by god but who created god

Human nature.

But what created Human nature and why? Ah, that is another question...

God

But which one(s), I've yet to decide.

[Mangled*]

I had this question one time also, the bible doesnt give a straight answer but its more like a 'read between the lines' type of thing,

Don't worry, all religions seem to have that going on.

And believe me... those lines are getting further and further apart as we speak.

[Svirin Kerath]

Actually alot of the misunderstood verse are before the death of Jesus when rules were needed on many, many things.  Again if you would do what I said and gave scripture to back up your argument I can debate your original point.. which would help solve this new debate... so... give me your sources >.>

Sorry, I don't have a Bible with me, I just remember them being from either Leviticus or Deuteronomy (or both). I do know that Jesus basically shot down at least one of the rules (don't handle blood on the Sabbath, again, don't know the specific verse, but I remember the rule itself clearly) in the story of the Good Samaritan.

Understand, I don't have encyclopedic knowledge of the Bible, I just remember concepts and stories.

[Smegma]

On the subject of God's Omnipotence, omniscient, and all loving. Assuming we can understand God fully would be foolish. Subjecting its presence to things such as words is foolish as proof. While we can harness concepts like "infinite" we cannot contain them or completely immerse them. Their presence shows erratic behavior in logic which shouldn't be there. Yet, a simple example is proof that God cannot be a concept of an imperfect language, based mostly on colloquialisms?

I don't think so, we can't even grasp a concept completely in which God is suppose to contain.

[panda_bear_smoking]

what ive never understood is why people look towards the bible as if it was the hand of god himself who wrote the selected books included 'im not saying the bible is all lies or anything i mean its principles are the guideline to which i based my life on but i just dont believe god put pen to paper

 do you believe that god controlled the writers of the books that were included in the bible if so wouldnt he control all random writing about him....free will any one?

dont bust out any bible code bullfeck on me saying how it proves that devine power was behind the bible if you took mobly dick and did the same matrix you would be able to receive the same random predictions

i could have put this into better words put eh its only god

[Svirin Kerath]

On the subject of God's Omnipotence, omniscient, and all loving. Assuming we can understand God fully would be foolish. Subjecting its presence to things such as words is foolish as proof. While we can harness concepts like "infinite" we cannot contain them or completely immerse them. Their presence shows erratic behavior in logic which shouldn't be there. Yet, a simple example is proof that God cannot be a concept of an imperfect language, based mostly on colloquialisms?

I don't think so, we can't even grasp a concept completely in which God is suppose to contain.

Heh, you act like it's our fault, but really, if we are incapable of understanding god, that is because he made us that way.

But I challenge that, because it's the same argument used to dissuade people from pursuing truth. "We cannot/will never understand it, because we are incapable of it, so why bother? Just accept it."

Now we know the configuration and movement of the solar system, the inner workings of cells and their behavior due to biology, weather patterns, many things which people previously passed off as mysterious supernatural forces we were incapable of understanding. We've even developed tools that can help us measure and detect the presence of what are possibly "ghosts." To jump to any such conclusion about what we are capable of understanding is simply a fallacy, because it assumes we've learned all that we possibly can, when really we are just beginning to learn.

I just wanted to post this here, as it seems relevent:

I forgot to point out that this is hilarious.

[frogboy]

Kings 7:23:  And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

this suggests that the value of pi is 3, because its diameter is 10 and its circumference is 30. is a cubit such a large object that this molten sea is bent as per general relativity (which lead to the eventual development of the Big Bang theory; also i'm just humouring you since a cubit is not nearly big enough), or is this statement just not meant to be taken literally?

likewise how can the rest of the bible be taken literally if this is not true? is there some index put out by the Roman Catholics of which statements are to be taken literally and which are to be taken metaphorically?

[Smegma]

But I challenge that, because it's the same argument used to dissuade people from pursuing truth. "We cannot/will never understand it, because we are incapable of it, so why bother? Just accept it."

Then lets reconfigure our whole mathematical system until we can prove its pure stability, which is impossible. I never said we are incapable, we just don't YET. We don't understand a lot of feck but we still use it and it can work or it doesn't.

Heh, you act like it's our fault, but really, if we are incapable of understanding god, that is because he made us that way.

It would be our "fault" with a God or not, though its not really a fault.

To jump to any such conclusion about what we are capable of understanding is simply a fallacy, because it assumes we've learned all that we possibly can, when really we are just beginning to learn.

I never said we are incapable as a human beings, but with all we know now we are. Get it?