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[Pienne]

I seriously don't understand this forum at all.

Is it for kids who want to make themselves seem more important than they really are by speaking like they're a hero in an epic comic book, people who hate themselves enough that they direct that hate against other people (a symptom being the amount of people here who shrugged off a child's death as 'natural selection') or is it something else?

I suppose there's also the other side of you people where you want to have serious discussions and actually think, but you don't know your priorities so all you talk about is stupid feck like that plane on a treadmill thread (again more bickering and separation from other people just to make themselves seem superior). I understand that most of you are young but I really don't understand why there's this pent-up hate and intolerance in most of you.

Actually while i'm at it i'll ask another question; How many of you have actually thought "How can I be happier than I am now?"

[Svirin Kerath]

I seriously don't understand this forum at all.

Is it for kids who want to make themselves seem more important than they really are by speaking like they're a hero in an epic comic book, people who hate themselves enough that they direct that hate against other people (a symptom being the amount of people here who shrugged off a child's death as 'natural selection') or is it something else?

I suppose there's also the other side of you people where you want to have serious discussions and actually think, but you don't know your priorities so all you talk about is stupid feck like that plane on a treadmill thread (again more bickering and separation from other people just to make themselves seem superior). I understand that most of you are young but I really don't understand why there's this pent-up hate and intolerance in most of you.

I think anyone who frequents a board to have in-depth discussions in the atmosphere of a mindless 2D shooting game probably has problems of some kind (myself not excluded). There are some who just want to state objective observations, or opinions, or simply inform others, but they're not as loud as the younger ones.

[Pienne]

I think anyone who frequents a board to have in-depth discussions in the atmosphere of a mindless 2D shooting game probably has problems of some kind (myself not excluded). There are some who just want to state objective observations, or opinions, or simply inform others, but they're not as loud as the younger ones.

State obversations, opinions or inform others about what?
Everybody has problems, yes, but what I don't understand is everyone's need to distract themselves from that by making other people appear to suffer more or forgetting about it entirely?

[Svirin Kerath]

I think anyone who frequents a board to have in-depth discussions in the atmosphere of a mindless 2D shooting game probably has problems of some kind (myself not excluded). There are some who just want to state objective observations, or opinions, or simply inform others, but they're not as loud as the younger ones.

State obversations, opinions or inform others about what?
Everybody has problems, yes, but what I don't understand is everyone's need to distract themselves from that by making other people appear to suffer more or forgetting about it entirely?

The various subjects that come up. Science questions, religion, politics, energy.

As for why they attempt to make others suffer? I'm trying to understand that myself.

[Pienne]

The various subjects that come up. Science questions, religion, politics, energy.

As for why they attempt to make others suffer? I'm trying to understand that myself.

Science questions I can partly understand. It's when it becomes "No, YOU'RE wrong, you stupid piece of shit" like Kszchroink not only does himself but goads people in to doing the same that I don't. As for religion, what good could come from this?

[Svirin Kerath]

The various subjects that come up. Science questions, religion, politics, energy.

As for why they attempt to make others suffer? I'm trying to understand that myself.

Science questions I can partly understand. It's when it becomes "No, YOU'RE wrong, you stupid piece of feck" like Kszchroink not only does himself but goads people in to doing the same that I don't. As for religion, what good could come from this?

Hypothetically, the spread of information and ideas.

Realistically, little.

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

Science questions I can partly understand. It's when it becomes "No, YOU'RE wrong, you stupid piece of feck" like Kszchroink not only does himself but goads people in to doing the same that I don't.

No one understands that.  Why do people have to be stupid and ruin good discussions? No one knows.

[Pienne]

Science questions I can partly understand. It's when it becomes "No, YOU'RE wrong, you stupid piece of feck" like Kszchroink not only does himself but goads people in to doing the same that I don't.

No one understands that.  Why do people have to be stupid and ruin good discussions? No one knows.

The very fact that you're calling them stupid like that means you're actually one of the people i'm complaining about. Not that i'm calling you stupid or anything.
Here's another question: Where's the line on forgiveness? Can you forgive murderers? Thieves? Drug dealers? Child abusers?

[Svirin Kerath]

Science questions I can partly understand. It's when it becomes "No, YOU'RE wrong, you stupid piece of feck" like Kszchroink not only does himself but goads people in to doing the same that I don't.

No one understands that.  Why do people have to be stupid and ruin good discussions? No one knows.

The very fact that you're calling them stupid like that means you're actually one of the people i'm complaining about. Not that i'm calling you stupid or anything.
Here's another question: Where's the line on forgiveness? Can you forgive murderers? Thieves? Drug dealers? Child abusers?

What do you mean, exactly? In general, or one who affects you personally?

[Pienne]

What do you mean, exactly? In general, or one who affects you personally?

Are you implying that it would make a difference?

[Svirin Kerath]

What do you mean, exactly? In general, or one who affects you personally?

Are you implying that it would make a difference?

Again, ideally no, realistically, yes. Someone who murders someone in some country you've never heard of, you could probably forgive more easily than one who murders your wife, if even for the same reason.

Like, if they murdered someone out of desperation, for money or gang status or some such, you might forgive them because you'd blame the death on their environment. But if they murder someone you love for the same reason, the personal grief you experience is likely to cause you to lash out in anger at first, rather than forgive them.

And I use 'you' editorially. "One" gets tiresome.

And there are exceptions of course, depending a lot on how the person who could potentially be dealing out such forgiveness has been raised or how deeply their beliefs in forgiveness are entrenched in their minds.

[Pienne]

Again, ideally no, realistically, yes. Someone who murders someone in some country you've never heard of, you could probably forgive more easily than one who murders your wife, if even for the same reason.

Like, if they murdered someone out of desperation, for money or gang status or some such, you might forgive them because you'd blame the death on their environment. But if they murder someone you love for the same reason, the personal grief you experience is likely to cause you to lash out in anger at first, rather than forgive them.

And I use 'you' editorially. "One" gets tiresome.

And there are exceptions of course, depending a lot on how the person who could potentially be dealing out such forgiveness has been raised or how deeply their beliefs in forgiveness are entrenched in their minds.

Absolutely correct. There is a difference; the more personal the offense becomes, the greater it is to overcome it. But surely the more personal it is for you, the more personal it would be for the murderer if you met them in a jail with the intention of forgiving them and aiding them in feeling empathy?
It's pretty obvious that that kind of thing could be very, very terrible for the relative, and not many people would be willing to forgive, but this is the problem; it's an endless loop. "An eye for an eye makes the world blind". It applies to more than just revenge on the same scale.

[Svirin Kerath]

Again, ideally no, realistically, yes. Someone who murders someone in some country you've never heard of, you could probably forgive more easily than one who murders your wife, if even for the same reason.

Like, if they murdered someone out of desperation, for money or gang status or some such, you might forgive them because you'd blame the death on their environment. But if they murder someone you love for the same reason, the personal grief you experience is likely to cause you to lash out in anger at first, rather than forgive them.

And I use 'you' editorially. "One" gets tiresome.

And there are exceptions of course, depending a lot on how the person who could potentially be dealing out such forgiveness has been raised or how deeply their beliefs in forgiveness are entrenched in their minds.

Absolutely correct. There is a difference; the more personal the offense becomes, the greater it is to overcome it. But surely the more personal it is for you, the more personal it would be for the murderer if you met them in a jail with the intention of forgiving them and aiding them in feeling empathy?
It's pretty obvious that that kind of thing could be very, very terrible for the relative, and not many people would be willing to forgive, but this is the problem; it's an endless loop. "An eye for an eye makes the world blind". It applies to more than just revenge on the same scale.

Yeah, I agree. Unfortunately "Eye for an eye" is a concept of dealing with personal offenses that people often develop as children, and don't always outgrow. The trick, as far as I can see anyway, is to consider things from the other person's point of view, completely objectively, without considerations for oneself.

[Pienne]

Yeah, I agree. Unfortunately "Eye for an eye" is a concept of dealing with personal offenses that people often develop as children, and don't always outgrow. The trick, as far as I can see anyway, is to consider things from the other person's point of view, completely objectively, without considerations for oneself.

A+.
Applying it to this:

No one understands that.  Why do people have to be stupid and ruin good discussions? No one knows.

You could say that Gamer right here and now is continuing a loop that can only be broken with empathy and understanding; not only the effect of what you are saying on other people, but why other people are saying the things that're causing you to react in a hateful way.

[Svirin Kerath]

You could say that Gamer right here and now is continuing a loop that can only be broken with empathy and understanding; not only the effect of what you are saying on other people, but why other people are saying the things that're causing you to react in a hateful way.

This makes me wonder how {LAW} Gamer_2k4 would feel about being critically analyzed so openly, however objectively. It might be more polite to just ask him about it himself.

[Pienne]

You could say that Gamer right here and now is continuing a loop that can only be broken with empathy and understanding; not only the effect of what you are saying on other people, but why other people are saying the things that're causing you to react in a hateful way.

This makes me wonder how {LAW} Gamer_2k4 would feel about being critically analyzed so openly, however objectively. It might be more polite to just ask him about it himself.

Oh snap. I wonder, too.
From one perspective, I can see that presenting a question that leads to self-reflection could cause frustration and insult at first, but it's a test of emotional and intellectual maturity - from my view it's like hitting a tree with a hatchet; It won't come down immediately, but it works if you're persistent. From the other perspective, this leaves room for those who aren't able to self-reflect. Maybe that's why (let's assume he existed please) Jesus' ideals were a long shot back then and Gandhi's ideals were a long shot 60 years ago. At least there was a great improvement between the two.

[Svirin Kerath]

You could say that Gamer right here and now is continuing a loop that can only be broken with empathy and understanding; not only the effect of what you are saying on other people, but why other people are saying the things that're causing you to react in a hateful way.

This makes me wonder how {LAW} Gamer_2k4 would feel about being critically analyzed so openly, however objectively. It might be more polite to just ask him about it himself.

Oh snap. I wonder, too.

I guess we wait to see? x)

[echo_trail]

You give the forums too much credit. It's quite simple, some people come online because it uses their time in an efficient way, others out of habit and some because they wanna ask questions or talk about soldat (The real forumers!). However, somewhere in the middle of this a new kind of forumer has arissen, one that takes things waaay more seriously in an unserious way, the one you've descrbed above.

See, it doesn't really matter how people act on these forums, 'cept for when they're way out of hand and the mods step in ofcourse. But we don't have to care what everyone else thinks or if they tell us off. When I log on and someone's made a thread against me or whatever, I should just laugh at it and post something funy in response, but instead I get aggrivated and I engage the guy. Why is this? Why have we made the forums into something bigger than it is?

I don't think it's the forums doing. I think it's the people using it and the emptyness of their everyday. I'm staying at my dad's place tright now, and have so for almost 2 months, I reckon. I'm bored to death here, and I have never been as active on the forums as now - obvious relation. In a week I'll move back home, and my state of activeness will slowly fall down. As I see it, it's all about boredom.

As for peoples behaviours, I can only say it's in human nature to act up when you have the chance. sf.com is such a chance, since people can do whatever they want when they're not held physically accountable.

Human nature sucks.

[Pienne]

Yeah, uh, i'm not saying that people are taking things too seriously, or that people aren't taking things seriously enough.

Even if people were to take certain things as serious as they could or as jokingly as they could, there'd still be a blatant problem here. If you re-read the entire thread this is actually about all of the hate (even if it's not incredibly apparent) that goes around on this forum and that most of it stems from a lack of empathy and self-understanding, along with problems in society that cause frustration and the need to lash out at people if you get goaded enough, or are just the kind of person who feels better about themselves by making other people feel bad.

The solution to this problem is for everyone to -try- to avoid this. And I really mean try. It's a false sense of satisfaction and happiness and it's counter-productive. If you ask me, the real and most fulfilling kind of happiness is when I don't take life for granted and am aware that i'm existing for a brief period in time when time seems like it goes on for eternity.

You and I are no exceptions to any of this.

[BondJamesBond]

You know, I don't think it's fair to link to the fisting zone and then talk about intelligence/politeness.