Jesus rode a dinosaur (in space)

[a-4-year-old]

Well if you are looking for truth lets all jump in my time machine and we can settle this once and for all!

Too bad we don't have a time machine.

[7th_account]

I don't think that either big bang theory or creationism should be taught in schools (which is the problem most christians have with the theory) Since it changes/updates faster than a linux distibution, schools would deplete their whole budget just getting accurate textbooks. And forget the bible as a textbook, what was that about church and state?

First in the advanced physics courses are studends taught the hardcode physics around Big Bang. In the junior courses the studends are only told the fundamentals that haven't changed much since their discovery, such as: That the universe is expanding, is likely around 13.7 billion years old, and it used to be smaller, denser and hotter.

Physics are based on empirical observation and experimentation. Big Bang is no exception. Albeit it not being proven 100%, the same could be said for Einstein's Theory of Relativity. But does that mean we shouldn't be taught that light travels in the speed of light, mass can be converted into energy and that time moves slower at high speeds?

[sai`ke]

To quote Einstein
I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings.

[Avarax]

That Entropy comparison with the new and the old car (order -> disorder) was funny and the whole rest of the Entropy part was.

Anyways... regarding the "mathematic" proof:
The calculation makes the mistake that it is calculates the chance that the proteins leading to life as we know it could have been created by chance. Unfortunaly, the number of possible proteins is incredibly high and each (this is an assumption, no proof for it from my side here) of them is in a way able to create some kind of life, If we define "life" as a reproducing cluster of material. The chance for a specific protein to be created by chance is 10^40000, yes. But the amount of possible proteins is incredibly high so that it somewhat relativizes it.

Let me put it into an example...
A brick falls from a roof. It hits the floor and breaks. The allignment of all the small and smallest pieces of the broken brick is kinda unique. Let's say, all those pieces had a chance of 10^40000 of exactly breaking and alligning that way. If we drop another brick, it is extremely likely, that the same allignement won't happen again. This is a fact.
Well, but that doesn't disproof the fact of bricks falling down roofs, does it? I hope you get what I'm trying to say. If you find any mistakes in my example, please tell me.


On a side note: I'm an agnostic, I respect religious people and their beliefs as long as they don't force it or consequences of it upon others and I generally disrespect Atheists since they do force their thoughts on others. You can neither proof nor disproof a god and it is better that way. Otherwise, true belief would kind of not be possible.

EDIT:
Found a nice sarcastic video on the peanut butter video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXfAduDQpn0

[ghg]

On a side note: I'm an agnostic, I respect religious people and their beliefs as long as they don't force it or consequences of it upon others and I generally disrespect Atheists since they do force their thoughts on others. You can neither proof nor disproof a god and it is better that way. Otherwise, true belief would kind of not be possible.

Your beliefs are sexy.

[Chuck]

On a side note: I'm an agnostic, I respect religious people and their beliefs as long as they don't force it or consequences of it upon others and I generally disrespect Atheists since they do force their thoughts on others. You can neither proof nor disproof a god and it is better that way. Otherwise, true belief would kind of not be possible.

Your beliefs are sexy.

Well put
That's what everyone ought'a be like

[Mangled*]

There are gaps that we cannot cross between science and religion, but they are NOT mutually exclusive.

Says who? It doesn't say that in any religious scripture. I think that's a defensive excuse!

Certainly it fits in with what I call evasive religion. Where belief is forced to flee from science and the advances in understanding we gain every day. God used to literally be a humanoid deity that lived in the clouds... now because of evasive religion he's an ethereal essence that can't be detected by science.

Unfortunately the Bible states that God created man in his image... therefore surely he must have been of humanoid form.... Oh no wait.. because evasive religion now declares that the Bible shouldn't be taken literally otherwise science can prove it wrong.

[a-4-year-old]

There are gaps that we cannot cross between science and religion, but they are NOT mutually exclusive.

Says who? It doesn't say that in any religious scripture. I think that's a defensive excuse!

Certainly it fits in with what I call evasive religion. Where belief is forced to flee from science and the advances in understanding we gain every day. God used to literally be a humanoid deity that lived in the clouds... now because of evasive religion he's an ethereal essence that can't be detected by science.

Unfortunately the Bible states that God created man in his image... therefore surely he must have been of humanoid form.... Oh no wait.. because evasive religion now declares that the Bible shouldn't be taken literally otherwise science can prove it wrong.

I think you are just an idiot who doesn't know what he is talking about. You could never group all of christianity together. Every prick who went to science class acts like he knows anything about christianity.

[xtishereb]

I go to science classes and I still have no idea why religious people are pissed about homosexuality or females having power. I guess some people are just mad whack on the fundamentalism.
Seriously, though, don't assume people of a certain faith will act the same way others of the same faith do. That's called "stereotyping", which is usually viewed as asshole-ish and nobody likes an asshole.

Oh, that video you posted about peanut butter was hilarious Avarax.

[Smegma]

There are gaps that we cannot cross between science and religion, but they are NOT mutually exclusive.

Says who? It doesn't say that in any religious scripture. I think that's a defensive excuse!

Certainly it fits in with what I call evasive religion. Where belief is forced to flee from science and the advances in understanding we gain every day. God used to literally be a humanoid deity that lived in the clouds... now because of evasive religion he's an ethereal essence that can't be detected by science.

Unfortunately the Bible states that God created man in his image... therefore surely he must have been of humanoid form.... Oh no wait.. because evasive religion now declares that the Bible shouldn't be taken literally otherwise science can prove it wrong.

While the religious effect (faith) might eventually be explained by science or even all religion, I find it sad that you can't even experience it. Unfortunately, you are missing out on a whole lot, even if it is just a sensation.

Too bad I guess.

[Graham]

Certainly it fits in with what I call evasive religion. Where belief is forced to flee from science and the advances in understanding we gain every day. God used to literally be a humanoid deity that lived in the clouds... now because of evasive religion he's an ethereal essence that can't be detected by science.

Quote the scripture that states this. Or give me Book and verse.

[7th_account]

While the religious effect (faith) might eventually be explained by science or even all religion, I find it sad that you can't even experience it. Unfortunately, you are missing out on a whole lot, even if it is just a sensation.

Too bad I guess.

Same could be said about sniffing glue and taking strong medication though. But even so, not believing in a god gives comfort knowing that fellow people with high education won't ridicule you. Neither would you have to worry about living up to a powerful being's expectations and feel forced to a certain way of living, or be sent to hell. We can also gloat (something christians aren't allowed to btw) with the knowledge that everything can be solved and explained. Also, we'd potentially save lots of time and money => profit.

[Svirin Kerath]

While the religious effect (faith) might eventually be explained by science or even all religion, I find it sad that you can't even experience it. Unfortunately, you are missing out on a whole lot, even if it is just a sensation.

Too bad I guess.

Same could be said about sniffing glue and taking strong medication though. But even so, not believing in a god gives comfort knowing that fellow people with high education won't ridicule you. Neither would you have to worry about living up to a powerful being's expectations and feel forced to a certain way of living, or be sent to hell. We can also gloat (something christians aren't allowed to btw) with the knowledge that everything can be solved and explained. Also, we'd potentially save lots of time and money => profit.

Right, our lack of having a religion permits us to be complete assholes. I'm proud to say I've kicked eleven kittens today. And punched twelve puppies.

[Avarax]

Did anyone check my disproof of the "chance of life = 10^40000" argument? Because I'd like to quote it sometimes on youtube, but I gotta make sure it's all well put.

[frogboy]

Did anyone check my disproof of the "chance of life = 10^40000" argument? Because I'd like to quote it sometimes on youtube, but I gotta make sure it's all well put.

shut up. all of what this guy says adds up. how about you get all your evidence and prove it. o no you wont cause you know hes right. the fucked up american government did all this to cover up some sick secret that no one in the public knew about. so your telling me flight 93 just disappeared. thats a load of shit. get your facts right. if i met george bush i would kill him! i wouldnt care at least it would be some sort of justice from that sick fuck!

[Avarax]

Did anyone check my disproof of the "chance of life = 10^40000" argument? Because I'd like to quote it sometimes on youtube, but I gotta make sure it's all well put.

shut up. all of what this guy says adds up. how about you get all your evidence and prove it. o no you wont cause you know hes right. the fecked up american government did all this to cover up some sick secret that no one in the public knew about. so your telling me flight 93 just disappeared. thats a load of feck. get your facts right. if i met george bush i would kill him! i wouldnt care at least it would be some sort of justice from that sick feck!

What's your point?

[Svirin Kerath]

angst!

Woah, did I miss something?

[Mangled*]

Certainly it fits in with what I call evasive religion. Where belief is forced to flee from science and the advances in understanding we gain every day. God used to literally be a humanoid deity that lived in the clouds... now because of evasive religion he's an ethereal essence that can't be detected by science.

Quote the scripture that states this. Or give me Book and verse.

What difference would that make? What's the difference between the opinion of a writer who lived a long time ago and my opinion at present? How can you hold something classed as scripture higher than what I write now purely based on the fact that it's what you believe in?

Besides, I don't have any religious scripture at hand but I do recommend you read through http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/

[a-4-year-old]

they misinterpreted genosis 1, or they might just be stupid. I won't read any more since it is going to be the same crap anyway.

[Smegma]

But even so, not believing in a god gives comfort knowing that fellow people with high education won't ridicule you. Neither would you have to worry about living up to a powerful being's expectations and feel forced to a certain way of living, or be sent to hell. We can also gloat (something christians aren't allowed to btw) with the knowledge that everything can be solved and explained. Also, we'd potentially save lots of time and money => profit.

Are you ever around "Highly educated" people?

Just because you're religious doesn't mean you cannot enjoy the sciences and maths.

How can you hold something classed as scripture higher than what I write now purely based on the fact that it's what you believe in?

I believe you just answered your own question.