Smoother movement

[Demonic]

Here's an idea.

Players should lose a lot less speed when making contact with polygons, or simply regain some of their former speed upon doing a skip-jump or a roll. In addition to this, even vertical surfaces should allow you to make a roll or a skip-jump/backflip.

What would this be good for? For instance, you could move through maps much quicker once you do one proper grenade jump. You could also do wall-jumps, backflips and rapid rolls, allowing more advanced dodge manouvers or more fluent combat. The chainsaw would aswell get a boost from this: what's more dangerous than a roaring blade of death coming towards you at the speed of a law missile?

[adadqgg]

Here's an idea.

Players should lose a lot less speed when making contact with polygons, or simply regain some of their former speed upon doing a skip-jump or a roll. In addition to this, even vertical surfaces should allow you to make a roll or a skip-jump/backflip.

What would this be good for? For instance, you could move through maps much quicker once you do one proper grenade jump. You could also do wall-jumps, backflips and rapid rolls, allowing more advanced dodge manouvers or more fluent combat. The chainsaw would aswell get a boost from this: what's more dangerous than a roaring blade of death coming towards you at the speed of a law missile?

f12, but I think the saw will have to be nerfed.

[-Vis-]

I'm not particularly keen on increasing movement speed, as I think it's already pretty easy enough to move around quickly.

However, I certainly wouldn't mind having the ability to backflip off walls.

[a-4-year-old]

Here's an idea.

Players should lose a lot less speed when making contact with polygons, or simply regain some of their former speed upon doing a skip-jump or a roll. In addition to this, even vertical surfaces should allow you to make a roll or a skip-jump/backflip.

What would this be good for? For instance, you could move through maps much quicker once you do one proper grenade jump. You could also do wall-jumps, backflips and rapid rolls, allowing more advanced dodge manouvers or more fluent combat. The chainsaw would aswell get a boost from this: what's more dangerous than a roaring blade of death coming towards you at the speed of a law missile?

f12, but I think the saw will have to be nerfed.

Nerfed? no. its not saw specific.

I like it, lets use those maneuvers for something other than impressing the ladies.

[FearTheReaper]

F12 YESSSSSS!

I want to be able to do some more maneuvers.

[Kagesha]

I like the sound of Wall Jumping!

[urraka]

This sounds like a cool idea, movement skills rule!

[Kavukamari]

F12, climb map maker distress FTW!!!

[Psycho]

I already suggested wall jumping in the past.

I dont know though. If this would mean people nade/m79 boosting constantly and flying everywhere, then no. People shouldnt be able to get accross the map in half a second in my opinion.

I thought the topic was something like make the walking speed on polygons faster. The current speed you get by walking along a polygon, is abysmal.

[Zero72]

I like the idea of wall jumping, and I wouldn't mind, like, not bouncing off the terrain and coming to a dead stop while I'm holding a flag and all, so I pretty much support this.

[Thinkto urself]

What's more dangerous than a roaring blade of death coming towards you at the speed of a law missile?

A dangerous roaring missle from a law coming towards you at the speed of a law missle.

I don't really agree with this, because every now and then on TW,(Or some other stupid ctf map,) I gain ultra speed by doing bunny hops/Jimmy skips. You can go as fast as a law rocket if you know how to use your W button powerfully.

[Pie]

What's more dangerous than a roaring blade of death coming towards you at the speed of a law missile?

A dangerous roaring missle from a law coming towards you at the speed of a law missle.

I don't really agree with this, because every now and then on TW,(Or some other stupid ctf map,) I gain ultra speed by doing bunny hops/Jimmy skips. You can go as fast as a law rocket if you know how to use your W button powerfully.

Exactly, IF you know how to do it then you've got an advantage over people who don't know how to do it.  It's a fairly good idea although there could be a downside such as on realistic if you move to fast you might hit a corner and instantly die, We like to call these poly bugs, but it's a good idea.

[Thinkto urself]

What's more dangerous than a roaring blade of death coming towards you at the speed of a law missile?

A dangerous roaring missle from a law coming towards you at the speed of a law missle.

I don't really agree with this, because every now and then on TW,(Or some other stupid ctf map,) I gain ultra speed by doing bunny hops/Jimmy skips. You can go as fast as a law rocket if you know how to use your W button powerfully.

Exactly, IF you know how to do it then you've got an advantage over people who don't know how to do it.  It's a fairly good idea although there could be a downside such as on realistic if you move to fast you might hit a corner and instantly die, We like to call these poly bugs, but it's a good idea.

I will never let new soldats be able to do awesome tricks like backflips,frontflips,and 60meters-per-10seconds jumps without even trying!

[ViN]

Destroy 800+ climbmaps just because of that, you've got no clue what cannonball is and how fast you can move with it.

[PaFel]

Smooth moveing - sounds nice

[BombSki]

as vin said, you can already move really fast in most maps. if you do a so called cannonball, u will do a horizontal flip which gains u very much speed. the climb people know this..
PM me on irc some time and ill show u some jumps u've never seen.

[-Vis-]

I see people "cannonballing" all the time, and I don't climb. It's quite easy, and not as unknown as you climbers seem to think. I bet half the people who play Soldat regularly worked it out for themselves when backflipping was first implemented.

[FearTheReaper]

How do you cannonball???

[Lord Frunkamunch]

F12 for not slowing down when you roll/land, although I'm not sure about wall jumping...

[mxyzptlk]

F12 for not slowing down when you roll/land, although I'm not sure about wall jumping...

I know that in 1.1.5, when the rolling still sped you up,it was abusable all over the place.

I do, however, approve of this in it's entirety.

[SDFilm]

f12, but I think the saw will have to be nerfed.

Ya, because the Saw is already overpowered as it is, we don't need it to be stronger [/sarc]

[BombSki]

What would this be good for? For instance, you could move through maps much quicker once you do one proper grenade jump. You could also do wall-jumps, backflips and rapid rolls, allowing more advanced dodge manouvers or more fluent combat.

I see people "cannonballing" all the time, and I don't climb. It's quite easy, and not as unknown as you climbers seem to think. I bet half the people who play Soldat regularly worked it out for themselves when backflipping was first implemented.

i was just replying to demonics initial post. to me, everything that hes saying is already possible.
and sure, 'normal' players might do an occasional semi-accidental cannonball, but try beating the first jump in my map kz_5jumps for instance
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=16707.0

[Demonic]

BombSki, you can get off the high horse. Trust me, as a clanner, I know very well how to move fast; this suggestion would make soldat's movement more advanced, hence new challanges could be made on climb maps for example. Have you ever played Warsow? The movement in that game is extremely awesome, and the best players can outrun missiles or make half-map-long leaps. Now wouldn't that be awesome in Soldat?

[-Vis-]

'normal' players might do an occasional semi-accidental cannonball, but try beating the first jump in my map kz_5jumps for instance
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=16707.0

Tried it, did it. The first jump is piss easy. Sorry to break it to ya, but cannonballing is nothing special.

[El_Spec]

Anything that improves gameplay I'm up for.

[BombSki]

Demonic: in my opinion exactly everything you describe is already in soldat.
walljumps, backflips, rapid rolls, advanced manouvres? better players outrunning newbs? imo its all there. reason to increase/add movements? dunno, its still a shooter. imo its balanced as it is, and time could be spent on other things.

@vis: u tried the other ones too?

[-Vis-]

@vis: u tried the other ones too?

No... do they also involve nothing more than a cannonball? That was the topic of discussion, after all.

There's no point in me completing that map. It's not the least bit fun trying to perform pre-defined stunts that require lots of attempts to master (aside from cannonballing, which is easy), because there's simply no use for them. I'm speaking mainly of jump number 2 (I think), where you have a small n-shaped gap to jump over, without touching the walls.

If I played the map for long enough, I would undoubtedly finish it from beginning to end. And the only thing I would gain from it is the knowledge required to complete it, which is useless to me. Normal CTF/DM/other gametypes don't require me to make perfectly planned movements through tunnels of death.

I still want to see wallflips implemented.

[Chainsaw Jimmy]

this would rule... 

stop baggin on the saw.. its not the issue if everyone can do this then dodging sawers would be easier

[Zeating]

This sounds more like Gunz-The duel. But still a good idea, i would love to be able to wall jump

[Thinkto urself]

 

This sounds more like Gunz-The duel. But still a good idea, i would love to be able to wall jump

You can wall jump if you're good enough.

[Clawbug]

This sounds more like Gunz-The duel. But still a good idea, i would love to be able to wall jump

You can wall jump if you're good enough.

Show me.

[8th_account]

Anyone can walljump. But it's impossible to do it if the angle makes the wall a ceeling rather than floor... geez I can't word it properly.

[Clawbug]

So anyone is good enough. Thinkto urself should have said that "You can't wall jump if you are good enough". It takes skill to be that bad you can't jump.

[Snow]

I overlooked this thread. In order to implement the "smoother" movement, there would have to be compensation for every small "advancement", resulting in the entire physics engine having to be re-written, reverting Soldat back to version 0.1.0. Another few years would be needed for new bug-fixes resulting.

The current physics engine is pretty advanced and is pretty much HALF of Soldat. Players would have to re-learn how to maneuver properly. If this happened, then for the first time in gaming history, a noob could kick a pro's ass, since well, a pro or long time player being acustomed to the old physics/movement would have break old habits and reactions. A new player, not having played older versions wouldn't have these habits, skills, etc. So, a new player wouldn't have trouble with old habits/reactions. Despite, I know what you're getting at, this idea was not thought through, pretty much like "knife-blocking" (which, I am unfortunately, the author of.. >.<)

F11'd with a sledgehammer.

[Will]

Anyone can walljump. But it's impossible to do it if the angle makes the wall a ceeling rather than floor... geez I can't word it properly.

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[Demonic]

I overlooked this thread. In order to implement the "smoother" movement, there would have to be compensation for every small "advancement", resulting in the entire physics engine having to be re-written, reverting Soldat back to version 0.1.0. Another few years would be needed for new bug-fixes resulting.

The current physics engine is pretty advanced and is pretty much HALF of Soldat. Players would have to re-learn how to maneuver properly. If this happened, then for the first time in gaming history, a noob could kick a pro's ass, since well, a pro or long time player being acustomed to the old physics/movement would have break old habits and reactions. A new player, not having played older versions wouldn't have these habits, skills, etc. So, a new player wouldn't have trouble with old habits/reactions. Despite, I know what you're getting at, this idea was not thought through, pretty much like "knife-blocking" (which, I am unfortunately, the author of.. >.<)

F11'd with a sledgehammer.

On the contrary, before 1.2.0, the physics were a bit more loose on soldiers grabbing terrain, and in some version you could even run up some small walls. This wouldn't need a complete rewrite of the code, only some additions to it, like the speed value being remembered and re-added to your movement if you pull the right move.

[Ziem]

Good idea imho, it will add something to soldat...