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Offline Rai-Dei

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NA Soldat failing.
« on: January 04, 2008, 12:59:30 am »
These recent months have shown us that modern NA soldat is falling in both skill and stability.  A lot of old vets are retiring, good clans are dying, and theres nobody to fill in the spaces. 

In the past NA Soldat was a solid powerhouse, now go look at the SCTFL standings and tell me how many of them are NA.

A couple of people at Fracs are thinking of making a NA soldat "Training Squad". This would be very skilled players helping out people of lesser skill and making them better. Its only an idea, but I think it'll work.

One of the foundations of NA soldat is the IRC network, most notably #sna.gather I'm not saying "play gathers be pro" its just sna gather channel is a massive holding tank for NA players and clans.

I'm not really sure if I conveyed it properly, so I'll sum it up: NA Soldat is a crap phase and we need help.

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Re: NA Soldat failing.
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2008, 01:04:45 am »
I heard R7 was taking in a few guys just to play fcw's with, to get them exposed to the clan scene, and to expose them to the good clans. I commend them !
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Re: NA Soldat failing.
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2008, 02:29:11 am »
there are alot of NA players its just there in the PUBS which makes them shitty..... should try and convert them into Gather which would get them alot better and having them make there own clans for NA side

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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2008, 01:38:03 pm »
there are alot of NA players its just there in the PUBS which makes them feckty..... should try and convert them into Gather which would get them alot better and having them make there own clans for NA side

It's been said time and time again so there is no point to me repeating it.... But I will say that at least there is an example this time, Flacid(Gorby) has done gathers and is now pretty damn good in my opinion. Probably better than me, haven't played him in a while.
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Re: NA Soldat failing.
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2008, 11:48:08 am »
These recent months have shown us that modern NA soldat is falling in both skill and stability.  A lot of old vets are retiring, good clans are dying, and theres nobody to fill in the spaces. 

In the past NA Soldat was a solid powerhouse, now go look at the SCTFL standings and tell me how many of them are NA.

A couple of people at Fracs are thinking of making a NA soldat "Training Squad". This would be very skilled players helping out people of lesser skill and making them better. Its only an idea, but I think it'll work.

One of the foundations of NA soldat is the IRC network, most notably #sna.gather I'm not saying "play gathers be pro" its just sna gather channel is a massive holding tank for NA players and clans.

I'm not really sure if I conveyed it properly, so I'll sum it up: NA Soldat is a crap phase and we need help.
Somehow this sounds like that you are comparing NA against EU. Are you? I hope not.
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Re: NA Soldat failing.
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2008, 12:33:40 pm »
so is that like CAL for soldat?

The thing is, the sna community is not newbie friendly. People flaming others for sucking and telling them to quit. Better players blaming the lesser skilled people for losing eventhough they did not do good themselves.

Also most good clans are not openminded about recruitin new yet skilled players, they are always sticking with those oldies.

so the best thing to do is..to be more openminded about it and... pray?
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Re: NA Soldat failing.
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2008, 09:03:59 pm »

The thing is, the sna community is not newbie friendly. People flaming others for sucking and telling them to quit. Better players blaming the lesser skilled people for losing eventhough they did not do good themselves.


I dont think there is a game that is newbie friendly, not one i have played at least. If that is the reason people dont play in gathers, they need to not be so sensitive, its the internet for fucks sake.

I think its because people dont take soldat serious like this, they just play to play and to do that they just want a get-in-get-out type game, which is the publics. Maybe there are some who dont know how to work IRC and some who could give 2 shits about IRC. The ones that do want to get better or play with better people eventually find there way to gathers or a clan. Small American Community in a european game.

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Re: NA Soldat failing.
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2008, 09:31:22 pm »
Gathers are always fun and challenging...

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Re: NA Soldat failing.
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2008, 10:52:28 pm »
I know that sna.gather isn't newbie friendly but seriously, let's face it, which community doesn't have douchebags? I think that newbies should just ignore those players that flame them and just listen to the ones that give them advice.
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Date Posted: January 08, 2008, 09:32:11 pm

The thing is, the sna community is not newbie friendly. People flaming others for sucking and telling them to quit. Better players blaming the lesser skilled people for losing eventhough they did not do good themselves.


I dont think there is a game that is newbie friendly, not one i have played at least. If that is the reason people dont play in gathers, they need to not be so sensitive, its the internet for fecks sake.

I think its because people dont take soldat serious like this, they just play to play and to do that they just want a get-in-get-out type game, which is the publics. Maybe there are some who dont know how to work IRC and some who could give 2 fecks about IRC. The ones that do want to get better or play with better people eventually find there way to gathers or a clan. Small American Community in a european game.

agreed. People dont take soldat seriously enough.

Date Posted: January 08, 2008, 09:33:29 pm
btw, I like the idea, but I don't think we shouldn't isolate NA soldat the EURO. by playing more frequently with euros would make the community more active.

Also the Gather community should start to use other play modes, make things more fun and interesting. New maps should be implemented too.
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Re: NA Soldat failing.
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2008, 01:11:01 am »
Gathers are always fun and challenging...

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I don't have soldat on my computer currently, it's having a feck of a time with any game and I don't care to fix it.

Also it's really not as hard for new players as people think, if people just act cool and play they will get respect. When I started I was cocky, there were no gathers and the clan I dedicated myself to wasn't even that good at the time. I think I am, at the very least, accepted by the "sna community" now with a total of maybe 30 gathers.

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Re: NA Soldat failing.
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2008, 01:37:48 am »
Well Im new to the whole forums thing, im sure if u suggest anything for me to be more active let me know ill do what ever it takes to keep the NA side alive. Also i was looking around the forums but didnt Team USA in the Soldat World Cup place 4th or something. which i thought was pretty good compaired to the other cuntries(Spelled That Wrong By A Mile) that should have done alot better, like al the Polish teams, or and Europe teams in fact. But thats just my opinion correct me if i am wrong

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Re: NA Soldat failing.
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2008, 07:52:00 pm »
I'd love to help, but I suck.
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« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2008, 12:43:29 pm »
I'd love to help, but I suck.

You are better than me, I've just never seen you in a normal mode clan.
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« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2008, 02:07:57 pm »
I was in |2Wai| on trial until I got kicked for sucking.
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Re: NA Soldat failing.
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2008, 03:37:11 pm »
I was in |2Wai| on trial until I got kicked for sucking.
now now....stop lying...
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« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2008, 04:12:14 pm »
It's true, lol. But I got kicked for sucking.

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« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2008, 12:32:50 pm »
The problem i think is that people don't know that a clan-scene exists... (im from europe so who knows if im right about a NA) but, when i started to play soldat back in v1.1.4 i played around 2 years of public before i got into a clan playing active cw's and from there i learnt about the "wider" community. Maybe speak to some public server admins and get them to broadcast some "info" messages "Ever played Cw's / gathers?" etc etc... spam links for clan sites, forums and things. Also you only tend to see Americain clans that are "known" why is this? There has to be clans that are not "pro" so low-skill players have somewhere to go and progress. In this way theres a sort of foundation for the "scene..." So encourage clan creation ... i'm not sure how you could do this... maybe "pro" clans could lend servers this might help new clans play more actively....

well my thoughts... but then again i have no idea how the NA scene is :D
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« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2008, 12:34:35 pm »
It's true, lol. But I got kicked for sucking.

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Re: NA Soldat failing.
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2008, 02:21:18 pm »
Quote from: CheeSeMan.
Also you only tend to see Americain clans that are "known" why is this? There has to be clans that are not "pro" so low-skill players have somewhere to go and progress.

The low skill clans are here in the forums actually as far as recruiting goes, the higher skilled clans lay low from all the publicity in IRC.

I also see no reason why people dont know that a clan community exists, more than often you'll see someone either with a clan tag or saying 'looking for clan' in the public servers.

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Re: NA Soldat failing.
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2008, 04:36:40 pm »
Actually, its extremely rare for a clan community clan (Theres like 9-12 total) to go to public servers to find clanwars, usually those are what we refer to as public clans, or noob clans.

Most of the clan community is on IRC, #sna.gather is the main channel from where you can do almost anything related to the NA clan community (Find clans, find clanwars, make clans, practice in gathers) and so on.
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Re: NA Soldat failing.
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2008, 05:06:58 pm »
I was in |2Wai| on trial until I got kicked for sucking.
we have something in common! :P

Anyway what NA needs to do is get people AWARE of IRC. I remember with kC, I forced most of the clan to use IRC. Like IRC OR NO CWS or something like that.
What some 'pros' or at least decent NA soldat IRCers could do is join an xfire clan and since you'd be their biggest asset, do not contact them unless it is irc!

Just a suggestion.
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« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2008, 10:16:01 pm »
Well, in NA,at least your luck in a way, you can at least get SOME players to go on IRC, I'm from Australia and our soldat community ( which i believe has placed quite well in previous world cups) is MSN ONLY! you so much as mutter the word  "IRC" and you get raped....


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Re: NA Soldat failing.
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2008, 04:02:21 am »
Since when do we rape newcomers. We are just to lazy to use IRC.
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Re: NA Soldat failing.
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2008, 04:20:42 pm »
AW :( whats NA again stand for I forget

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« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2008, 04:33:56 pm »
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Re: NA Soldat failing.
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2008, 08:31:43 pm »
Well, I've gotten this from many people: People wonder why all those NA clans are dying but we look at EL's roster, and we find out that all of their players got stolen and sent to EL.

Well, I've gotten that twice so far, old EL killed about 5 clans its self the first time, now it killed AVCTF and almost killed FTM since it had 4 left but then a couple rejoined. Also, Mafia almost died since I was about to take its last 2 active members hahaha. Well, Solid, and some other guy I was gunna get to join D: But now I feel bad I ruined those clans =S
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« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2008, 11:59:41 pm »
lol told you. make like dif divisions of EL CTF ELPoont ELCock ELShit like that and then theres lotsa clans

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« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2008, 05:19:29 pm »
Lol, we have 5 servers, not 5 divisions. We have only 2 divisions, and it's 15 members per division max. It's not that much, it's just the people who went and joined EL left NA clans :P
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« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2008, 02:19:51 pm »
Im from NA (Washington State, USA) and I've played this game for 5 years but I've only been in Realistic/Survival (R/S) up until late when i've joined some normal soldat games and a normal clan for a while. Yes NA soldat is dropping I believe, and I am almost at the point of leaving myself or at least leaving R/S. If there is a NA training or playing game, I would like to be involved and it might get more regular players in. Msn: uglet92@hotmail.com or im usually at #ds.soldat in mirc.



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« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2008, 10:32:24 am »
I've noticed the NA community pretty much died publicly. I've never been into a clan or anything cause I've never been a mass-dedication soldat player, meaning I have lots of other things going on in my life at any given time so I can't be on for a CW all the time. I'm hoping to start participating in more SNA gathers cause of just how much the NA Pub Community has died, but the way Mar77a described SNA gathers in the IRC, I may be throwing myself to the sharks with nothing but a speedo and swimming cap.
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« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2008, 10:41:42 am »
Need some fresh blood son. Go onto those publics and bring anyone with a glimmer of understanding of the game into the inner folds of Soldat. Thats how it was done back in the day, but now clannies have just got lazy and turned to recycling existing players.
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« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2008, 11:02:38 am »
Need some fresh blood son. Go onto those publics and bring anyone with a glimmer of understanding of the game into the inner folds of Soldat. Thats how it was done back in the day, but now clannies have just got lazy and turned to recycling existing players.

Thats what me and s4r did by creating LOMP.

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« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2008, 04:12:42 pm »
Well, glad that people like Rai-Dei are wasting their life on the IRC to help out Gather noobs like me. Like he said, we need more NAs and maybe forming a clan for Pub NAs to get their feet wet may be just what it takes.
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« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2008, 04:17:04 pm »
Public servers wouldn't be so bad, but U13 is down and Fracs pub is where all the down syndrome kids play.
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« Reply #34 on: February 01, 2008, 04:19:07 pm »
Haha, and the only NA servers I can find with a decent IP are like, Elite Snipe and slice And other specialized weapons. Yes, some people like those, but I dont.
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« Reply #35 on: February 01, 2008, 04:46:55 pm »
Well, glad that people like Rai-Dei are wasting their life on the IRC to help out Gather noobs like me. Like he said, we need more NAs and maybe forming a clan for Pub NAs to get their feet wet may be just what it takes.

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« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2008, 07:07:02 pm »
Woops, yeah I meant ping, different thing I was reading just before got stuck in my head. As for Fracs, The frac public non climbing server is rarely Not full or empty. I get more Normal matches in through gathers now than ever.
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