Author Topic: Gravity - Best idea ever (Read 4088 times)

btfx · « **on:** January 16, 2008, 12:38:16 am »

EDIT: Some people didn't get my idea, it's not to make "Realistic earth-like gravity, but custom gravity. For example check out this potential map. The more saturated the color, the stronger the gravity. White = no gravity. Blue and red represent bases (respectively) Green represent just plain old gravity. So each base would have normal gravity that got weaker as you climbed out of the base, until there was none at all, and then gravity would start pulling in the opposite direction, stronger and stronger. . there would also be some places to stop - the green spots. Of course, this map doesn't represent the whole idea (people would sit in the middle (green spots) and shoot the crap out of the enemy base. But for saw&law, it would be fun.

How about a custom gravity system, like making downward gravity stronger or weaker, or making grav points/lines. The possibilities would be endless.

Also, since this is really awesome, and someone might actually implement it, I wouldn't limit it it F=(G*m1*m2)/(d^2), linear functions, and trig operations would be really cool.

Pie · « **Reply #1 on:** January 16, 2008, 01:00:14 am »

Yeah, it's pretty cool and been suggested before, but it takes too much coding i think, as the physics engine is inbuilt with the actual game itself so you'd basically be remaking the game aswell i think.

Katelyn · « **Reply #2 on:** January 16, 2008, 01:31:42 am »

The gravity is unrealistic right now lol.
You can jump like 5 times your height.
Just make the gravity stronger. :x

btfx · « **Reply #3 on:** January 16, 2008, 10:03:53 am »

Yeah, now it's more like the moon than the Earth. Right now as I understand it's a constant accel on all particles. This would mean each particle has to calculate it's own gravity. Which would be MUCH more CPU intensive. Also there would be the question of orientation. Still, I can't help but dream of putting those HK shots into orbit.

Ziem · « **Reply #4 on:** January 16, 2008, 12:17:27 pm »

You mean - gravity affecting bullets? NO. F11 ftw.
Affecting only soldier ... for climb maps, maybe.

Hershey · « **Reply #5 on:** January 16, 2008, 06:41:41 pm »

Totally love the idea.

Good for TW...

P.S. Gravity works best for 1ST person 3d games, with no jets.

Awesome idea

chutem · « **Reply #6 on:** January 16, 2008, 06:57:50 pm »

I think the jump height is fine, if u wanna change is so the grav is realistic, why not make all the guns realistic oh, oh, and... destructible terrain. F11

Chariot · « **Reply #7 on:** January 16, 2008, 06:59:12 pm »

Yeah, realism for the sake of realism. F11. Not necessary.

Thinkto urself · « **Reply #8 on:** January 16, 2008, 07:36:51 pm »

F11, also, it's not the best idea ever, and if you're going to say that, where a flame-retardant suit.

Iq Unlimited · « **Reply #9 on:** January 16, 2008, 07:46:40 pm »

f11, if you change the gravity engine everything that climbers have built goes to the trashcan.

btfx · « **Reply #10 on:** January 16, 2008, 07:58:35 pm »

I don't think you guys get it. This isn't for realism. This is so you can make more custom maps. You could make a map of circular "planets", or a giant circle where everyone is pulled away from the center. Or one big planet with a series of tunnels. You could have a ctf map where each base is a point of gravity, so you have go up, up, up and then fall doooown to get to the other base.

Realistic gravity is not the point, though it is a possibility.

Also, like I said, you could have gravity get stronger and stronger as you pull away from a mass, so staying down low would make you light, but flying too high would make you fall back down.

The possibilities are what make variable gravity so awesome.

As for the climbers, this would open up so many possibilities. You could have "classic" maps with a simple constant downward force, or you could have a map with more advanced climbing, where you had to slingshot around masses, and avoid black holes.

This doesn't mean that all previous maps "go down the trashcan", it means that new maps can allow for more radical gameplay. Like putting a turret in empty space, but the turret has very high gravity. So people would fight for control over it. Trust me, I wouldn't be defending this idea so fiercely unless I really believed that Soldat could be tonnes more fun with it.

Thinkto urself · « **Reply #11 on:** January 16, 2008, 08:06:22 pm »

Quote from: btfx on January 16, 2008, 07:58:35 pm

Realistic gravity is not the point, though it is a possibility.

Look toward Halo 3 for enlightenment.

Iq Unlimited · « **Reply #12 on:** January 16, 2008, 08:06:33 pm »

Quote from: btfx on January 16, 2008, 07:58:35 pm

I don't think you guys get it. This isn't for realism. This is so you can make more custom maps. You could make a map of circular "planets", or a giant circle where everyone is pulled away from the center. Or one big planet with a series of tunnels. You could have a ctf map where each base is a point of gravity, so you have go up, up, up and then fall doooown to get to the other base.

Realistic gravity is not the point, though it is a possibility.

Also, like I said, you could have gravity get stronger and stronger as you pull away from a mass, so staying down low would make you light, but flying too high would make you fall back down.

The possibilities are what make variable gravity so awesome.

As for the climbers, this would open up so many possibilities. You could have "classic" maps with a simple constant downward force, or you could have a map with more advanced climbing, where you had to slingshot around masses, and avoid black holes.

This doesn't mean that all previous maps "go down the trashcan", it means that new maps can allow for more radical gameplay. Like putting a turret in empty space, but the turret has very high gravity. So people would fight for control over it. Trust me, I wouldn't be defending this idea so fiercely unless I really believed that Soldat could be tonnes more fun with it.

...thats a gigantic chunk of code thats never going to be made. This idea has now been dismissed.

Pie · « **Reply #13 on:** January 16, 2008, 08:09:22 pm »

Quote from: btfx on January 16, 2008, 07:58:35 pm

where you had to slingshot around masses, and avoid black holes.

Someone's been playing a bit too much mario galaxy.
And think of how hard it would be to make those maps.

btfx · « **Reply #14 on:** January 16, 2008, 08:27:22 pm »

Now that I think of it, it is a lot like what I've seen from Mario Galaxy (no wii for me). And the outwards gravity is kinda like halo if that's what you meant (no xbox either).

But to argue against maps being harder to make. Not really.
To start - you could just add points of "simple" gravity. Like with the planets idea, each point would be at the center, and teh strength would be adjusted so that it was approx the same on the surface of each planet.

Than you could do more abstract ideas, but still very simle, like a "plane" of gravity, which radiates it in one direction, perpendicular to the plane, or a "box" where gravity is constant in one direction (like regular maps). Combinig those three ideas could make a mp like the one shown in the first post.

EnEsCe · « **Reply #15 on:** January 20, 2008, 09:50:05 pm »

Ive always wanted to experiment with the Gravity in Soldat, so there is a chance this may one day appear in Soldat, but certainly wont be anytime too soon.
[spoiler]The next version will, however, have SOME customization regarding Gravity.[/spoiler]

Pie · « **Reply #16 on:** January 21, 2008, 12:30:33 am »

Quote from: EnEsCe on January 20, 2008, 09:50:05 pm

Ive always wanted to experiment with the Gravity in Soldat, so there is a chance this may one day appear in Soldat, but certainly wont be anytime too soon.
[spoiler]The next version will, however, have SOME customization regarding Gravity.[/spoiler]

:O A SPOILER!!!!

AWESOME!
Well, As for the topic, everyone's already covered most of it, But i was curious, With the gravity nodes(For lack of a better word) would the bullets fall towards the center of the node, Say if i placed one on the roof and fired past it, would the bullet fall upwards?

ghg · « **Reply #17 on:** January 21, 2008, 02:45:31 am »

This would require a complete rewrite of almost all the game, you won't be getting anything more than gravity strength methinks.

Will · « **Reply #18 on:** January 21, 2008, 04:47:59 am »

Quote from: EnEsCe on January 20, 2008, 09:50:05 pm

[spoiler]The next version will, however, have SOME customization regarding Gravity.[/spoiler]

will you have my babies?

I'm really looking forward to some gravity customisation possibilites, think it'd work great for some subgamemodes and maybe sligthly tweaking the overall gravity effects.

Xxypher · « **Reply #19 on:** January 21, 2008, 05:43:21 pm »

It wouldn't be hard to script, hell, I have scripted something similar in GM.

PeteBone · « **Reply #20 on:** January 21, 2008, 06:32:13 pm »

"Soldat is a fast action gameplay with tons of blood and flesh. Soldiers fight against each other on 2D battle arenas using a deadly military arsenal. This is what multiplayer was invented for."
f11

.Long-Range · « **Reply #21 on:** January 21, 2008, 07:47:56 pm »

"It's Quake style:
A couple of guys decided to kill each other and you can be one of them."

Oh hay, i haf quote 2~! Has nothing to do with what I'm voting on but I'll just throw it in there.

If this gravitation idea was used correctly, I believe it could unlock loads of fun.

Eclipse · « **Reply #22 on:** January 22, 2008, 01:58:54 am »

Lul, Imagine CTF:

Noob1: Lul I Got Flag!
*Noob1 Jumps and Falls face first*
Noob1: Wtf, Flag so fecking Heavy

poopdogg · « **Reply #23 on:** January 22, 2008, 07:47:16 am »

Quote

just imagine ur on a unstable gravity map

i can't imagine myself

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Laser Guy · « **Reply #24 on:** January 22, 2008, 04:07:37 pm »

Quote from: poopdogg on January 22, 2008, 07:47:16 am

Quote
just imagine ur on a unstable gravity map
i can't imagine myself AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

THUD!

EDIT: F12

mxyzptlk · « **Reply #25 on:** January 23, 2008, 06:20:36 am »

This would be awesome, Super Mario Galaxy-esque levels FTW

Pie · « **Reply #26 on:** January 23, 2008, 06:35:45 am »

Quote from: mxyzptlk on January 23, 2008, 06:20:36 am

This would be awesome, Super Mario Galaxy-esque levels FTW

Zomg Black hole stole my flag! D:

Arbiter · « **Reply #27 on:** January 23, 2008, 06:54:29 am »

Headlines:

"FIRST RED FLAG SENT INTO ORBIT!"

Despite how F12 this is, it's too hard/something to create.

O.R.I.O.N. · « **Reply #28 on:** January 23, 2008, 08:43:07 am »

F12 plz.

Custom gravity is probably something mapmakers will be having wet dreams about. Have to agree with Arbiter that it'd be a bitch to implement, but that doesn't dampen the "freakin' sweet" factor of the concept.

ghg · « **Reply #29 on:** January 23, 2008, 03:38:29 pm »

It depends wether the value of the gravity is stored in a variable, if so then it's uber easy, if not then it's a pain in the ass.

chutem · « **Reply #30 on:** January 23, 2008, 04:35:21 pm »

I don't think you could store it in a variable long term, unless you mean just while soldat is running? it could just be saved in the .pms and then some readfile function

O.R.I.O.N. · « **Reply #31 on:** January 24, 2008, 12:07:28 pm »

Maybe make it that you could change the power of the gravity, say, between .1-2 Gs, without changing the direction. Moon map, anyone?

Protoman · « **Reply #32 on:** January 31, 2008, 07:02:27 pm »

It shouldn't take too much coding to do this.
When i code games, gravity is just a single number that is added relativly to the players vertical speed. Just changing that one number effects gravity. It should be extremely simple to code another editable variable to this game.

tehsnipah · « **Reply #33 on:** January 31, 2008, 08:14:02 pm »

it would be nice for the jumping or hover race one, but definitely not CTF DTM TDM or INF

Snake · « **Reply #34 on:** January 31, 2008, 08:18:39 pm »

nice idea F12

rhide · « **Reply #35 on:** February 02, 2008, 11:17:51 am »

I belive it would work to cycle thorugh all players in OnAppIdle and apply some gravity as a server side script, unless it will lag too much.. I might just experiment with this as a simpler option when I find the time for it

BRADEN · « **Reply #36 on:** February 10, 2008, 05:26:54 am »

Quote from: Iq Unlimited on January 16, 2008, 07:46:40 pm

f11, if you change the gravity engine everything that climbers have built goes to the trashcan.

And why is that?

ghg · « **Reply #37 on:** February 10, 2008, 07:35:25 am »

Only really if you have some retarded server owner/admin that fecks around with the gravity settings.

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Author Topic: Gravity - Best idea ever (Read 4088 times)