Northern Illinois University Shooting

[chrisgbk]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23171567

Gunman reported shooting on Illinois campus
Hospitals told to expect up to 15 victims from university near Chicago

[Clawbug]

Seems to be dead already. Damn these bastards choose the worst days for this kind of stuff.

[Horve]

Last month a man barged in into a school in Finland- I recon. He had a Sig Sauer automatic (something) and he shot nine people to death with no hesitation, no mercy and no remorse before blasting his own brains out.
What a wonderful world...

[Chariot]

My uncle went to school there. He's a professor at another college in the area.

Really sad that these things keep happening.

[Mangled*]

The more lax your gun laws are the more likely it is that someone will go apesh*t with a gun in a crowded area.

Edit: Wait a second, what school was that in Finland?

[Clawbug]

Last month a man barged in into a school in Finland- I recon. He had a Sig Sauer automatic (something) and he shot nine people to death with no hesitation, no mercy and no remorse before blasting his own brains out.
What a wonderful world...

naw, that was on november. one of my old MSN contacts knew the guy and the shooter was a friend of my old classmates cousins friend. This friend ran for her life that day and she survived. The world is sick, indeed.

[Horve]

Last month a man barged in into a school in Finland- I recon. He had a Sig Sauer automatic (something) and he shot nine people to death with no hesitation, no mercy and no remorse before blasting his own brains out.
What a wonderful world...

naw, that was on november. one of my old MSN contacts knew the guy and the shooter was a friend of my old classmates cousins friend. This friend ran for her life that day and she survived. The world is sick, indeed.

November eh, seems like it happened just recently. And for the mourners it will haunt for a long time- eating and eating your calm and replacing it with fractured nerves. Don't know what school it was since I don't live in that country.

[Graham]

The more lax your gun laws are the more likely it is that someone will go apesh*t with a gun in a crowded area.

Edit: Wait a second, what school was that in Finland?

So the more guns legally owned the more violent an area is? By that logic my house should be a like a warzone(12 guns)... Hell war should have been declared on peemonkey's house a few years ago. Why isn't my town and the neighboring town getting shot up daily? WHY!?

[BondJamesBond]

"Duhr duhr, we make school safer now"

[Eagles_Arrows]

The more lax your gun laws are the more likely it is that someone will go apesh*t with a gun in a crowded area.

Edit: Wait a second, what school was that in Finland?

So the more guns legally owned the more violent an area is? By that logic my house should be a like a warzone(12 guns)... Hell war should have been declared on peemonkey's house a few years ago. Why isn't my town and the neighboring town getting shot up daily? WHY!?

He is talking about gun laws, not the number of guns owned within an area.

[The Geologist]

The more lax your gun laws are the more likely it is that someone will go apesh*t with a gun in a crowded area.

How easy of you to toss the issue off on to "lax gun control".  It's too bad your reasoning is nonsense.

If this person wanted to go on a shooting spree so badly, he could have found the means to his end regardless of gun control legislation.  You don't give the human element enough credit, most likely in some passive aggressive attempt at bashing the US for gun control issues.  Laws are things that go down pieces of paper, sprinkled with good intentions.  Even with the most rigid gun control legislation he could have found either a gun or some other means to carry out what he had in mind.

Do you honestly think that more rigid gun laws would have made this guy think "Oh, well, since gun laws are so strict and I can't get a gun because of my criminal history, I may as well just give up"?  Nonsense. 

[Mangled*]

Lets face it... America has the worst track record for spree killings involving firearms.

How difficult is it for young disgruntled and depressed Tommy to come home and take his fathers .45 out of the closet and take it into school the next day?

The answer is: not difficult enough.

Guns are designed to kill, so making them easily accessible to pretty much anyone so long as they're over a certain age and are a certified citizen doesn't exactly mean "gun control"... Lets face it there are probably as many gun licenses as there are drivers licenses in the US.

All it takes is for one person who has access to a gun to have a sh*tty day... and then all hell breaks loose.

[a-4-year-old]

Lets face it... America has the worst track record for spree killings involving firearms.

How difficult is it for young disgruntled and depressed Tommy to come home and take his fathers .45 out of the closet and take it into school the next day?

The answer is: not difficult enough.

That would be little Tommy's father's fault, not legislation.

We could make it really really hard to get a legal gun/permit (See: New Jersey) But that does nothing, since illegal guns are used much more frequently than legal guns. (See: Camden, New Jersey)

[BondJamesBond]

Lets face it... America has the worst track record for spree killings involving firearms.

How difficult is it for young disgruntled and depressed Tommy to come home and take his fathers .45 out of the closet and take it into school the next day?

The answer is: not difficult enough.

Great. We'll make it harder.

Young Tommy still gets the gun.

[Horve]

produce less of those damn guns or just stop producing them at all so that one day we will all fight with battleaxes and two-handers like our predecessors did a damn long time ago.
It will also help those overweight people replace the weight of fat with the weight of muscle.

[Scorpian]

People are so unoriginal these days. Stop shooting up schools, it doesn't make you cool anymore. Think of something new.

[chrisgbk]

Lets face it... America has the worst track record for spree killings involving firearms.

How difficult is it for young disgruntled and depressed Tommy to come home and take his fathers .45 out of the closet and take it into school the next day?

The answer is: not difficult enough.

The problem isn't lack of gun laws in that case. When you have children especially, but also generally, you should keep your weapons secured to prevent exactly that kind of thing from happening. It's either lack of training (didn't know better), or just plain negligence.

If you are intent on killing someone, lack of a gun isn't going to stop you. Hell, you can convert a SuperSoaker to shoot homemade napalm, and you can make pipe bombs with stuff you can buy in any store. Let's not forget knives, rocks, pointed sticks...

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

The more lax your gun laws are the more likely it is that someone will go apesh*t with a gun in a crowded area.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the guy was BREAKING laws when he did that.  It's a crime here, just like anywhere else.

Lets face it... America has the worst track record for spree killings involving firearms.

America also has a good amount of the worlds population.  Statistically, we're more likely to have incidents like this.  (And don't bring up China or India as places that should have more gun violence.  Half of their populations can't even afford a box to live in, much less have access to a firearm.)

[Clawbug]

Let's face it. The problem, everywhere, is that people get guns way too easily. If that Tommy didn't have gun, he wouldn't have gone spreeing.

Same as here in Finland. The gunner had only .22, what if he had AK-74 from Russia? How many victims would he have got with that? What if he had some C4 with him? Blow off the school and shoot those why try to escape from the building, just like in America. Would he have done so? (Not likely in this case, since his motive wasn't to get high killcount, but to do "natural selection". He actually let few people to escape from the building for a purpose.) If killcount matters, you will take AK-74+C4 instead of .22.

[The Geologist]

Lets face it... America has the worst track record for spree killings involving firearms.

See the above posts.  It's a melting pot, what do you expect? 

How difficult is it for young disgruntled and depressed Tommy to come home and take his fathers .45 out of the closet and take it into school the next day?

That's a question for Tommy's father. 

The answer is: not difficult enough.

That has nothing to do with legislation.  Get to the point.

Guns are designed to kill, so making them easily accessible to pretty much anyone so long as they're over a certain age and are a certified citizen doesn't exactly mean "gun control"... Lets face it there are probably as many gun licenses as there are drivers licenses in the US.

You're fighting for a moot point here.  Gun control doesn't stop someone from getting a gun if they want to do this sort of thing.  You can go anywhere in the world, any country, and with enough effort find a way of getting a firearm.  Guns are a part of life these days, that's all there is to it.

All it takes is for one person who has access to a gun to have a sh*tty day... and then all hell breaks loose.

No sh*t Sherlock.  But you're not making the connection between gun laws and availability.  All you're saying is "The US needs tighter gun laws.  That's why this sort of stuff happens, that's why there is availability, etc". 

In fact, and I'm just going by your example here, but when you say that "there are probably as many licensed gun owners as there are drivers"..well..there are still plenty of unlicensed drivers out there.  Does that keep them from driving?  No.  To think so would be idiocy. 

Like I said, gun laws look nice on paper.  But they'll never take away the guns, in the US, or in any other country for that matter.