Northern Illinois University Shooting

[a-4-year-old]

Stupid parents think that xbox is a good babysitter.

Kids go untreated for OCD Schizophrenia, ect

everyone and their brother has ADD

It is arguably easier to buy an illegal gun then a real one.

Well there's your problem!

[ElephantHunter]

Sure, guns don't kill people, people kill people. That doesn't mean that when people kill using guns that we ignore any solution involving additional restrictions on who has the right to purchase and own those guns. When a certain tool becomes problematic we must adapt to ensure the security of our people.

Now, the "Where there's a will to get something, there's a way. Why bother with laws?" argument is total bull and you know it. I work in a facility that handles controlled medications. An effective strategy to keep employees from taking the medication is security and control. Since we have enforced new measures, rarely anything has been taken. Employees may have the will, but that will is negated by the fact that it's hard to get any medications without being caught.

Put some sense in your head. Have you ever acted irrationally? Been angry? In a situation like that, a gun would be the difference between a steamed argument and a homicide. The United Kingdom was successful with a gun ban policy. We should follow suit. Guns don't belong in homes any more than they belong in the hands of the mentally ill.

[Graham]

The man that tries to take my guns away is the man that gets shot. I am not hurting anyone so don't invade my house to take my property.

[a-4-year-old]

Put some sense in your head. Have you ever acted irrationally? Been angry? In a situation like that, a gun would be the difference between a steamed argument and a homicide.

No?

The second amendment gives me the right to own a firearm, and if I show I am competent enough to own one (proper safety training...) then who are you to say I can't have one. this is the same as wiretapping and warentless searches. That may be ok for you but I would rather not trade my rights for "safety"

Furthermore, there is no such thing as self defense in the UK. God forbid anyone walk through the streets of london with a pair of scissors.

[Chakra]

Here in the UK, gun crime has slowly rocketted over the past decade. Getting a gun is a simple matter of knowing the right/wrong people. They may sell you a real working pistol for about £2-300, or you can get the home-made varieties that involve modifying replica weapons... otherwise known as 'Saturday Night Shooters', as they'll probably only work for one night before your fucking thumb gets blown off.

But... the only people with guns and the only way to get guns here is through the resources of very dodgy and very violent people. Gangsters and hoodlums essentially, who've always had such tools regardless of the laws. The gun laws however have made it difficult to even consider getting a firearm unless you're acquainted with these types of lovely people, into which case you've already got problems.

Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing I can't say ....certainly no speccy straw-armed kids running around schools shooting people up this way though.

[Noobinabox]

I must first say that it is an American right to own and operate firearms.

Secondly, I must say that there is really no conceivable way to close off the entire US border from firearms. Maybe you could do it in Japan, or in the UK, but not in the US.

Seriously now, have you seen our border? The government is more worried about smuggled nukes than firearms.

So you speak of gun restrictions? Well, last I heard, the law-abiding citizens don't go crazy with guns. The crazy law-breaking citizens do that kind of stuff.

Restriction of guns only restricts the people who follow the law. If you are going to commit homicide or what not, then you probably won't give a sh** for any "gun restriction" acts.

What happens to a guy who gets robbed by a bunch of gun-toting hooligans? Maybe he used to own a gun, but then the government took it away from him because they thought he would do exactly what those hooligans are doing to him at that moment.

[Mangled*]

Here in the UK, gun crime has slowly rocketted over the past decade. Getting a gun is a simple matter of knowing the right/wrong people. They may sell you a real working pistol for about £2-300, or you can get the home-made varieties that involve modifying replica weapons... otherwise known as 'Saturday Night Shooters', as they'll probably only work for one night before your fecking thumb gets blown off.

But... the only people with guns and the only way to get guns here is through the resources of very dodgy and very violent people. Gangsters and hoodlums essentially, who've always had such tools regardless of the laws. The gun laws however have made it difficult to even consider getting a firearm unless you're acquainted with these types of lovely people, into which case you've already got problems.

Absolutely right. The main reason for it is Yardies in Britain who have guns smuggled in from anywhere they can. Ammunition is very very scarce in Britain and so even if someone was to go apesh*t in a school or shopping centre they wouldn't get very far. The general way it works is you buy a gun which is loaded. Let's say for example I actually knew someone who dealt firearms on the street, if I bought a pistol off him then I would expect to find a full magazine of ammunition already inside it and he most likely wouldn't have any spare magazines or ammunition to sell.

Generally the good thing about this is that innocent people are very rarely shot at. Guns are mainly used for show and to threaten people or for 'defense'. You most likely won't get shot unless the person with the gun has a reason. Shootings are mainly revenge killings.

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

So, my friend and I came up with a great idea during lunch today.  Ready for it? Here goes...

Replace all guns with tranquilizers.

Ideally, these will be fast acting tranquilizers.  Threat neutralized, no one gets hurt.

[Mangled*]

But if you shot someone multiple times they would overdose and die. 

[mar77a]

Fighting fire with fire is never a good solution...

[a-4-year-old]

Fighting fire with fire is never a good solution...

yeah, the pyro's suit is flame resistant, thats why you use the shotgun.

[Blue-ninja]

AK-74s are surprisingly cheap; they only go for $300 to $700, depending on the area where you live. If you got one for more than a thousand dollars, you're pretty much being ripped off.

It's the gun restrictions policies that don't need enforcing. Like some cigarette manufacturers that increase the price of their packs, the prices of guns bought by civilians should follow suit. Maybe even a background check into said civilian buying weapon arms for past mental illnesses shouldn't hurt. However, on the other hand, plenty of shady gun dealers don't do background checks.

The statistics on America having a bad history of shootouts in schools, malls, and other public places don't do it justice, though.

So, really, any ideas that any of you have come forth with can work, but people will always find a way around it.

[Graham]

Fighting fire with fire is never a good solution...

However talk to a fireman and you will know that fighting fire with water can fuel the fire if its not enough water.

[ElephantHunter]

Selfish. That's all I have to say.

[Graham]

Selfish. That's all I have to say.

And wanting to push your anti-gun ideals on everyone isn't?

[Noobinabox]

And in America, I have the freedom to be selfish.

In the UK or Japan, where they have strived to ban guns, you wouldn't have that choice.

[ElephantHunter]

And in America, I have the freedom to be selfish.

Cute! Americans have the right to be wrong too. Does that mean you should stop? I didn't think so.

Your inability to consider guns as a problem is selfish. The fact that you won't give them up is a testament to just how much of a problem they've become. Maybe you'd be more happy living in a western classic movie, but this is reality. You just have no good use for human-killing machines.

[Chakra]

...someone remind me why this seems to happen most often in the States?

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

Put some sense in your head. Have you ever acted irrationally? Been angry? In a situation like that, a gun would be the difference between a steamed argument and a homicide.

Heh, he talks about sense.  Having access to a weapon doesn't mean you'll use it.  Have you ever been so angry that you picked up a blunt object and started bludgeoning someone with it? No? So why should you ever be so angry that KILLING someone is the best option?  No mentally stable person would kill someone just because they were mad at them.

...someone remind me why this seems to happen most often in the States?

America also has a good amount of the worlds population.  Statistically, we're more likely to have incidents like this.  (And don't bring up China or India as places that should have more gun violence.  Half of their populations can't even afford a box to live in, much less have access to a firearm.)

[ElephantHunter]

America also has a good amount of the worlds population.  Statistically, we're more likely to have incidents like this.  (And don't bring up China or India as places that should have more gun violence.  Half of their populations can't even afford a box to live in, much less have access to a firearm.)

Since the Chinese and the Indians don't have the access to firearms that we do, their children don't go around shooting each other?! Couldn't agree more.