Is the Barret balanced?

[General Wong]

I think the discussion has pretty much ended. I mean 21 people have already said that the barret is fine as it is.

[Twistkill]

I applaud you, Blah, for being mature and not flaming the guys who have argued against you in this thread.

About a month ago, I was like "OMFG BARRETARD FUCK YOU" but now I have begun to use it and it is not over powered. It takes about 4 seconds form spawning to actually have a chance of firing it, and there is a delay when you have that chance. Use the weapon and you'll see that ONE bullet screws up your aim entirely, and at close range it can still miss because of that. Not only that, but there's a movement aim penalty, so when you're flying across a map, you have to stop moving and boost upwards to get a good shot.

So you see, it's a one-hit kill weapon because of all the factors presented here. I can easily bink and counter Barrett users with autos when they're on the same screen, because I bring my cursor to the end of the screen to see who's coming towards me. It is not overpowered, it's a one-hit kill weapon with several things to make sure it's not, and it is quite easy to counter someone else using it.

[Night Vision]

i don't like barret as it is right now as a sniper-rifle -_-;;
delay on the rifle? i m sorry for saying like this, but, what a stupid!
it had rather be balanced with the power than giving shooting delay.
like this -> not killing only one shot but decaying all of one's life not to death...

well anyway ... for that, the weapon-modification is very helpful now ...
but i don't like the barret as it is now, whatever

So what you're saying, I think, is that barret should be 2-hit-kill. I think that's too much. The nerfs to barret to now have all been trying to make it miss (count delay in that) and that's because of the slow rate of fire. If you make all the nerfs go away and slap on a 50% damage reduction, even if you hit someone without them ever seeing you they would still turn around and kill you before the cooldown is over. EDIT: Mostly. Don't flame me for that.
EDIT 2:

I applaud you, Blah, for being mature and not flaming the guys who have argued against you in this thread.

I completely agree. You seem to have an almost scientific approach to these things. And a pretty good speller to boot.

[Qwertyopl]

i think it's fine

and the start up time is useful i have tried it witout a start up and it wasn't half as good

[Ghost Dog]

I can dodge Barrets. Non aimbotting Barrets, of course.

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

Quick question: What does "bink" refer to?

Back on topic:
The barrett is balanced because its high damage is compensated for by having a long reload time, and its long range is compensated for by having a startup time.

Sure, skilled people account for that and kill you a lot, but skilled people can kill you just as easily with other weapons, like the ruger or desert eagles.

Secondly, though, I wasn't really suggesting that the barret shouldn't be a 1 hit kill. (Although, does anybody have any opinion on making it a 1 hit kill if it hits the torso or head, and do like 80% damage if it hits the legs? Come to think of it I don't know if this is even feasible with soldat's hit detection.)

It is.  The ruger use to always be a two-hit kill.  As of 1.3.1, If you hit them in the legs, it deals less damage.

If someone is really good with an ak-47 for example, or a ruger, or even a m79, you at least get a chance to retaliate or dodge or do something. If someone is really good with a barret, you're pretty much dead.

If someone is good with ruger or an m79, you don't have a chance to retaliate.  Sure, you see them, but you don't have enough time to really attack them before they kill you.

It would be nice if it were at least _in theory_ possible to dodge the bullet, as it is at least possible to dodge the m79.

It is possible.  You just have to be quicker than the person with the barrett.  The simplest solution is to go prone as soon as you see a barrett user.  If you're in the air, go prone and then boost.  You'd be surprised at how many shots that lets you dodge.

Gamer_2k4

[Twistkill]

Oh, Gamer_2k4, bink is when your shots become less accurate with the Barrett when you're hit. You ever notice how your cursor become large when you're holding a Barret and you get hit? That's bink. It also happens when you continously fire with an auto, your gun become less accurate.

[CrazyArcher]

Barrett is fine. Although I dont like one-shot-killers that much, using a Barret requires skill, and I respect those who use Barret nowadays and dont camp.

[johnbies]

the preloading time is way to long

[Zergling]

Mp5 makes barret's life terrible .
It's OK now, in previos Soldat ver. that weap was disbalanced.

[Gold]

If the barret was made any weaker, you would get more of these annoying Un-satisfying shots that dont kill the player. My answer remains No

[krasnal]

The barret is meant for camping, and the movement penalty makes it require skill and practice to use as an assault weapon.  I like it how it is.

hahaha, just <3 soldatforums

imo bink or delay should be removed, its unplayable vs m79 or autos (except public servers/noobs)

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

imo bink or delay should be removed, its unplayable vs m79 or autos (except public servers/noobs)

So under the some conditions it's great, and under other conditions it's terrible.  Sounds balanced to me.

Gamer_2k4

[NinjaXrage]

Barrets pretty balanced (And to me easy to use). After quitting barret for ages i start agian a few days ago and can already hit about 60% of the time anless im seriously binked.

[Death MachineX350]

I agree with most everyone the Barrett is probably one of the more balanced weapons there is.  Large firepower, long reload, and realitivly low ammo.

[Iq Unlimited]

I agree with most everyone the Barrett is probably one of the more balanced weapons there is. Large firepower, long reload, and realitivly low ammo.

I agree, the barret is 1 of the most effective and balanced weps that is in Soldat. It's my personally favorite weapon beause it is so balanced. Ppl claim that it's

Quote Majorisasupernoob on sum random soldat server:
Iq, Stop being a fucking barretard, we all know it's too strong, now change weps or I'll get every1 to vote you off

(I wasn't banned from the server)

the barret is fine, dont mess with it, and the M79 is GOOD TOO, every1 stop
freakin complaining about it.

Iq Unlimited

[5th_account]

Stop complaining? Empirically that's all this section of the forum is used for.

+ 1-2 units on moveacc seems about right to make long range assaulting harder. Perhaps up to -10 in bink to compensate.

[jettlarue]

wow...peopl;e are saying that they want it to have no startup...if any of you played back in the day, you would know it would fuck the game up, just like how 75% of people used the barret before it was added, shit, it was just a one hit kill pistol basically. now it is balanced enough.

[Zegovia]

Sure its almighty when it hits you... but it has a tremendous bink..... wich evens it out.....

[The_Teacher]

Hmm, I'd say that we need a cruel bink. To me, it seems like the current one doesn't affect the player in close combat. The chances are still pretty good you'll hit someone with it. I miss the glory days when a binked barret meant that you'd shoot straigt up in the roof.

I'm a deagleuser midn you, so I don't ahve a weapon made for binking =/