the augging

[TiReD]

tired the data is about the maximum potencial of a weapon.
2. MP5's role is a close-mid range weapon. you dont need to get accurate in order to kill, just get close and or ang or get better aim, because mp5 can tecnically handle mid range if you know how.

3rd, aug's accuracy is more fecked up that aks.. yet you are saying that..Ak loses accuracy easier than AUG...What?? do you even know what you are saying???


but I do believe that since there are so many people using steyr, there must be something wrong with it.
(more bink?)

give me a counter argument

the differences between aug and ak is slight, aug has a lesser accuracy therefore is harder to handle, and therefore ak has the upperhand at mid-long or longrange.

This means.. You cannot be more wrong about everything

That data isnt about maximum potential, its point blank, which happens almost never. Stop being dumb.

About your "technical" information, i wont keep discussing with you, since youre not gonna give anything that you can back up.

use your brain, point blank = maximum potencial
since the bullet travel time is 0 and also aim is perfect. Think before typing. THINK!!

Again, try using the ak with burst on long range, you wont get the same accuracy as steyr, and if you try doing one click, youll lose because steyr is firing much faster and hitting much more.

ehm..if you click faster than the rate of fire, you can still get a perfect stream of bullets.

Do you even PLAY soldat?


The point of a maximum potencial table is to know how good a specific weapon is, since any change in the weapon will result in a increase in maximum potencial, since the maximum potencial = perfect, its rate of increase will be bigger than any real "life" use. So it is the best way to determine if the weapon is overpowered or not.

also, if you keep avoiding the hard cold facts, then you should stop trying to discuss all together. No point discussing with a guy that does not want to realize that he's wrong.

YEAH, POINT BLANK = MAXIMUM POTENTIAL, CAUSE THATS WHAT HAPPENS ON THE GAME, NEVERMIND THE BULLET SPEED.

OH YEAH, RATE OF FIRE IS NONEXISTENT WHEN YOU DO ONE CLICK X BULLET.

you dont have to be at point blank to achieve the maximum potencial, you can just have a perfect aim. point blank and perfect aim happens almost never, but a decent aim happens all the time. what decide who wins when you got 2 guy of the same skill? the gun. Maximum potential chart is the controlled experiment where every other variables are the same except for one. In this case, the gun. The kind of comparison you want is unrealistic and does not give you any results.(noob vs. pro? come on.)

Youre giving me facts on point blank, then saying you dont need it to achieve maximum potential.

Weapons never really achieve their maximum, the problem is how close they let you get to that. You cant compare hk to ruger on that field. The gun?, please. Most battles get decided by who knows how to move better and how good theyre with nades, since theyre the most important part of autos.

Anyway, i wont lose my time arguing with you.

Inb4"CAUSE YOU LOST"

[STM1993]

Damage=103
FireInterval=10
Ammo=40
ReloadTime=150
Speed=240
BulletStyle=1
StartUpTime=0
Bink=-16
MovementAcc=2
Recoil=0


Damage=73
FireInterval=7
Ammo=30
ReloadTime=115
Speed=260
BulletStyle=1
StartUpTime=0
Bink=-22
MovementAcc=2
Recoil=0

As you can see:

AK has higher damage (even though bullet speed is different)
Steyr Aug has higher bullet speed
Steyr Aug shoots faster by 3 ticks
Steyr Aug has a faster reload by 35 ticks (+3 from firing interval)
AK has a better self-bink by 8.
AK has 40 ammo.

Now, about "Accuracy", it actually depends on the user. Some people may find the Aug more suitable and easy to aim, others AK. Theoretically, the aug is more "accurate" due to the fact it has a higher bullet speed.

// Changes from 1.4 -> This Mod
// HK MP5 :   dmg +3, reload -5
// AK :      dmg +9
// Steyr :   dmg -3, bink -3
// Ruger :   fireinterval +5, reload -5
// Minimi :   dmg -5, bink -5
// Minigun :   dmg +12, bink +1, startup -17
// Socom :   dmg +1
// Chainsaw :   reload -16
// Flamer :   fireinterval -1, speed +3, ammo +50

The table above is just an estimate on how the weapons should be balanced. Look at my original post for more info.

AK would certainly need a buffing, and the aug need a slight nerfing. The damage for AK should be increased, the aug with slightly less damage. I think the AK is losing out to the minimi because they are quite similar.

Self-bink may need to be slightly increased for the aug as well. We'll see how this goes.

[darkangel]

i found it very strong weapon i`ve facing guys on 3vs3  with ak`s and damm that thing sure can pwn, beside the push back shot that the ak does,  ak is the perfect spray,counter,defence and attak gun. but minimu has bigger clip lol!!!!:P, like better the minimi but good ak users have my respect.

[excruciator]

snip

ok telling me that you are a moron that did not understand the connection between maximum potencial and point blank/prefect aim won't help you winning any arguement..anywhere.

yes, you can never achieve the maximum potencial, you can get really really close but you can never reach it. but if the difference is big, I might just get close to the potencial of ruger for example, yet I can still kill a guy that reached the potencial of ak, minimi, or any auto. just because thats as far as the weapon can go.

and the fact that you mentioned that auto skills are mostly moviment and nade skills, it showed me that you have no idea how to use a gun to it's best. So..yeah, I dont think weapon balance section is for right you man.

[O.R.I.O.N.]

My god, both of you stop b*tching like little schoolgirls. I honestly doubt the ability to have a rational argument in this board...

[excruciator]

AK has higher damage (even though bullet speed is different)
Steyr Aug has higher bullet speed
Steyr Aug shoots faster by 3 ticks
Steyr Aug has a faster reload by 35 ticks (+3 from firing interval)
AK has a better self-bink by 8.
AK has 40 ammo.

Now, about "Accuracy", it actually depends on the user. Some people may find the Aug more suitable and easy to aim, others AK. Theoretically, the aug is more "accurate" due to the fact it has a higher bullet speed.

// Changes from 1.4 -> This Mod
// HK MP5 :   dmg +3, reload -5
// AK :      dmg +9
// Steyr :   dmg -3, bink -3
// Ruger :   fireinterval +5, reload -5
// Minimi :   dmg -5, bink -5
// Minigun :   dmg +12, bink +1, startup -17
// Socom :   dmg +1
// Chainsaw :   reload -16
// Flamer :   fireinterval -1, speed +3, ammo +50

The table above is just an estimate on how the weapons should be balanced. Look at my original post for more info.

AK would certainly need a buffing, and the aug need a slight nerfing. The damage for AK should be increased, the aug with slightly less damage. I think the AK is losing out to the minimi because they are quite similar.

Self-bink may need to be slightly increased for the aug as well. We'll see how this goes.

+9 on ak is a little extreme, -3 dmg and -3 bink is also extreme(man you must like the ak eh)
I would make it -1 dmg, -5 bink, -1 moviment Acc

Date Posted: March 03, 2008, 11:55:12 am

My god, both of you stop b*tching like little schoolgirls. I honestly doubt the ability to have a rational argument in this thread.

not with you here :/

[STM1993]

+9 on ak is a little extreme, -3 dmg and -3 bink is also extreme(man you must like the ak eh)
I would make it -1 dmg, -5 bink, -1 moviment Acc

Date Posted: March 03, 2008, 11:55:12 am

mmm, a little extreme eh? Ya after some reading I'd agree what I said is a little too much. Shouldn't increase that much damage, and the aug would probably only -1 or 2 damage will do, or better yet, just -5 ammo like in a particular gather's weapon settings according to Ziem. And no lol, I don't use the AK I dislike it I feel its a little too weak haha. I personally preferred the 1.3 AK.

[tehsnipah]

i always use the ak in one of the crowded CTF, and it's very easy to do triple kill with it. i'll try aug soon

Date Posted: March 04, 2008, 11:29:52 am

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ok telling me that you are a moron that did not understand the connection between maximum potencial and point blank/prefect aim won't help you winning any arguement..anywhere.

yes, you can never achieve the maximum potencial, you can get really really close but you can never reach it. but if the difference is big, I might just get close to the potencial of ruger for example, yet I can still kill a guy that reached the potencial of ak, minimi, or any auto. just because thats as far as the weapon can go.

and the fact that you mentioned that auto skills are mostly moviment and nade skills, it showed me that you have no idea how to use a gun to it's best. So..yeah, I dont think weapon balance section is for right you man.

and you can talk about him in the fisting zone lol >_<

[excruciator]

+9 on ak is a little extreme, -3 dmg and -3 bink is also extreme(man you must like the ak eh)
I would make it -1 dmg, -5 bink, -1 moviment Acc

Date Posted: March 03, 2008, 11:55:12 am

mmm, a little extreme eh? Ya after some reading I'd agree what I said is a little too much. Shouldn't increase that much damage, and the aug would probably only -1 or 2 damage will do, or better yet, just -5 ammo like in a particular gather's weapon settings according to Ziem. And no lol, I don't use the AK I dislike it I feel its a little too weak haha. I personally preferred the 1.3 AK.

ak's DPS hasn't changed much since 1.4.1, the prob is that the rate was increased and dmg was decreased, so now is much easier for you to miss. So in overall, is a harder weapon, it's not weak.

[cunchy]

The AUG is the most unbalanced auto in 1.4.1.

[tehsnipah]

compare with the minigun, not really lol

[cunchy]

compare with the minigun, not really lol

With the exception of Minigun, of course ;P

[.Ryan.]

Wow. Is this topic all about the Steyr's Bink? Who here knows "KillJoy" Otherwise known as "Roush243," He's god with the steyr, he can fire a perfectly strait line, if you ask kindly enough, he may even send you a demo of this strait shot, and that's just in realisitic mode, in normal mode, the steyr is one of the most accurate weapons in the game, atleast, if you know how to use a gun like the steyr properly.

obviously you have never 1v1ed sneakyg or Paieeh, or even psycho here on these forums..

[Scorpian]

I've always been switching between the AUG and AK, up until 1.4.1. At that point, the AUG was clearly the better gun. I guess it could use a tweak or two.

[tehsnipah]

I've always been switching between the AUG and AK, up until 1.4.1. At that point, the AUG was clearly the better gun. I guess it could use a tweak or two.

i'm not trying to provoke you or anything, but you probably use AUG cuz of the fast shooting rate; instead of the strong and slow shooting rate of AK. and if you see STM's weapon balance, it's definitely similar weapon.
and believe me, i pwn people with AK in the CTF map. the server's name was
Splash Game (something)100 it's on the first page of the max bar

[Ziem]

I've always been switching between the AUG and AK, up until 1.4.1. At that point, the AUG was clearly the better gun. I guess it could use a tweak or two.

i'm not trying to provoke you or anything, but you probably use AUG cuz of the fast shooting rate; instead of the strong and slow shooting rate of AK. and if you see STM's weapon balance, it's definitely similar weapon.
and believe me, i pwn people with AK in the CTF map. the server's name was
Splash Game (something)100 it's on the first page of the max bar

He uses Steyr 'cause it's just better... and Ak was slower before, from 1.4 it has -1 fireinterval and lower dmg.

On publics it could be better, as there a bit more people than 6 usually - and Ak is able to deal with 2-3 enemies(without reloading), while Styer can kill 1 (2 if you can aim really well.. or in close range)

[Eclipse]

AUG is more used for spraying nowadays withs ts acc and its reload/fire rate.

Yet, i still fall back on the trusty minigun.

[tehsnipah]

dude, why in the world would you even try to use minigun! that's the worst gun in the soldat

[Eclipse]

dude, why in the world would you even try to use minigun! that's the worst gun in the soldat

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Its not that bad. If you learn how to use like a pro, you can own with it, and its just like the barret. (Atleast one of the skills is)

[The Owls]

I fail to see how the minigun is in any way related to the barret, besides the fact that it shoots bullets.  As for its usability I can't say much.  Many of its bullets seem to be lost in the netcode, and the weapon just flat out doesn't work when or how it should. 

On paper, and offline it will generally kill quickly, especially at close range.  Though take it online, and you've got yourself one large handicap of a weapon.  No one really sees the minigun as a real weapon, it is used mostly to get in that quick minigun boost to try to speed by for the flag.