Veoto

[Eagles_Arrows]

I'm not sure if everyone has noticed, but evidently Veoto's been made default in the most recent version of Soldat (1.4.2).  What do you think of this map?  Does it deserve to be defaulted in your opinion?

For me, I'd say no.  It's buggy and really not all that good both layout-wise and visual-wise.  It bothers me when there are so many better DM maps out there, and yet Veoto becomes default.

[El_Spec]

Absolutely not.  It is a horrible map and I agree with everything you stated on it.  It's not fun and doesn't deserve to be default.  The beta testers said it was fun, if that's true, they must have had something shoved up their ass.

Not only that map, but others like Airpirates, inf_Industrial, etc.  They have bad gameplay or they are too GFX heavy and causes problems for some players.  Mapping not only has died, it has reached Soldat.  Eventually, all the maps will be raped with .gif animations and replaced with tons of scenery.  Default style is dead, Trenchwar style is the future.

[Will]

What does trenchwar have to do with any of this? You're maybe just refering to VTT's maps.

In my opinion, Veoto is a fun map to play. I don't know, it just has  that default-ish something to me.
Yes  there are better DM maps out there, but then again, there are maps that are better than all of the default maps and they aren't defaulted. I think the testers just tried to offer some variety to the players, because Veoto is something like a default map with a twist. Atleast to me, but everyone's got their own opinion.

[The Philanthropist]

Ugly, unimaginative, and has zero soldat-trademarked 'flow' that I look for in a good map.

[El_Spec]

What does trenchwar have to do with any of this? You're maybe just refering to VTT's maps

What I was referring to was the style those maps are made like.  500 pieces of scenery and 1000 polygons.  VTT isn't the only mapper who creates in that style.  Nearly every Trenchwar map I've played is similar.  Not very hard to notice, but maps are slowly changing from default MM to Trenchwar style.  Not to far back, but their even was a discussion if the current maps should be modified with more scenery to enhance Soldat's graphics/visuals.

[Spasman]

Ugly, unimaginative, and has zero soldat-trademarked 'flow' that I look for in a good map.

soldat-trademarked 'flow' that I look for in a good map.

'flow'

[MaVeRiCk/PaT0!]

I think that E_A have said everything.
I don't really like it.

[8th_account]

Oh snap. I was the one that pushed the most for it to be defaultenized. =)

At least it was great fun for 8-man rambo with friends.

[X-Rayz]

I like it.

[-Major-]

Oh snap. I was the one that pushed the most for it to be defaultenized. =)

At least it was great fun for 8-man rambo with friends.

this is where you are supposed to stay silent.

well I dont think the map has the right look nor it has the right structure, so I dont like it. But I liked ctf_Crash and ctf_DropDown

Edit: oo and ctf_Chernobyl too

[Pie]

inf_Industrial, etc.  They have bad gameplay...

Are you fecking retarded? Seriously, this is almost warrant a "Go feck yourself and Die, Scumbag!"
There is nothing wrong with Inf industrial, And airpirates was a default map for ages. Really get a grip.
how is Inf_Industrial a Gfx_heavy map?
Just because it's tunnely, with a whole bunch of corridors, It just means you've got to use different tacts then run in like a twat spray everyone with your toy gun and run out again yelling hooray and i kick ass.
It's made so that you're supposed to die alot because it's CLOSE QUARTERS.
I haven't played this map, at least i probably have but can't remember it, so it isn't either Unbearably sheithouse, or godly awesome.
Also, Alot of t he defaults are defaults because they are generic, Not because they are super awesome, But because they are average, and the don't provide much more then an average game experience, The thing that makes them default is the simplicity of what they are. A few parts of land held up with rockspires, with a base at both sides, What else do you want?

Besides, Your maps are rather GENERIC, as far as i can tell they are a bunch of shapes mashed together and then textured and stuff to churn out another so called "original" map that is about as original as final fantasy 50 thousand, or the Xbox 970. What would you want in a default map, You put yourself in a beta testers shoes before saying their decision is completely sheitty.

That goes for alot of you, The map is default-ish, Because it plays a certain way, not because it's pretty or anything.

(END RAMBLING)

Edit: Each to their own i guess.

[El_Spec]

I stated that it either has terrible game-play or is GFX heavy.  The new Airpirates is GFX heavy and Industrial just has bad gameplay.  It should be obvious, but I guess you can't figure that out.  And if you're not sure if you have played it yet, then don't say anything about it because you most likely don't have anything to say about it.  I have played it at U13 INF and as far as I can tell, it is the worst out of all the Infiltration maps.

And yes, I purposely tend to make default style maps.

[BondJamesBond]

Why is it that nearly everything Pie posted is completely wrong? First of all, if you don't remember playing the map, then I'm pretty sure you can't discuss gameplay. Your remark about the close quarters and dying alot is totally invalid and warrants a "Go feck yourself and Die, Scumbag!"

Besides, even if a map is made in close-quarters, the gameplay value is not compromised to suit its 'fast-paced', 'die-alot' style.

Alot of t he defaults are defaults because they are generic, Not because they are super awesome, But because they are average, and the don't provide much more then an average game experience,

You just keep coming up with stupid posts! It's incredible, when does it end? I'd give some reasonable criticism, but there's nothing more to say. So... "Go feck yourself and Die, Scumbag!"

And in case you haven't been reading, El_Spec WANTS maps to be simpler - So I can't tell if your post is a pathetic attack or support.

[matt]

I... hate it....

[SpiltCoffee]

I stated that it either has terrible game-play or is GFX heavy.  The new Airpirates is GFX heavy and Industrial just has bad gameplay.  It should be obvious, but I guess you can't figure that out.  And if you're not sure if you have played it yet, then don't say anything about it because you most likely don't have anything to say about it.  I have played it at U13 INF and as far as I can tell, it is the worst out of all the Infiltration maps.

And yes, I purposely tend to make default style maps.

Compared to what? HTF? There's hardly any bloody Infiltration maps, so I'll take as many as I can, thanks.

[Pie]

And in case you haven't been reading, El_Spec WANTS maps to be simpler - So I can't tell if your post is a pathetic attack or support.

Because apparently a whole lot of circles equals a map.
And i like how you particularly miss the whole "What would you like to see as a default map then?" Part.

[BondJamesBond]

The thing that makes them default is the simplicity of what they are. A few parts of land held up with rockspires, with a base at both sides, What else do you want?

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Besides, Your maps are rather GENERIC, as far as i can tell they are a bunch of shapes mashed together and then textured and stuff to churn out another so called "original" map that is about as original as final fantasy 50 thousand, or the Xbox 970. What would you want in a default map, You put yourself in a beta testers shoes before saying their decision is completely sheitty.

Generic

Oh, and what would I want in a default map? Waypoints and good gameplay. I don't understand how that's relevant, though.

(Best you'd look at the boldfaced parts of the quote, I had to tell you knowing how stupid you are).

[GordonFreeman]

I Don't like it. 

[Blue-ninja]

I hate it. It's not that close to a defaultish look that every default soldat map has, plus, what's up with all those routes and platforms?

In other words, I hate it.

[Horve]

*its extremely polybuggy
*you can access the roof freely- wtf?
*Is there a texture?
*The scenery is used good, but the scenery choice is bad.
*the best word to describe the map style is definitely not "Default"- it would be more in the lines of "Wang"
(google pictures "wang")

It is a good attempt of a map, but  not for official soldat maps.