The longsaw -- what is it?

[Trespasser]

No, this isn't another one of those "omgwtfbbq i got owned by longsaw i r complainz0r @ soldert forms", so Alt+F4 = Link to flameable material.

I may sound like a noob asking this, but I was just stumbling around in saw and law the other day, and, well...frankly, it seemed to catch my attention.

What exactly is the soldat phenominon that we know as the longsaw?  I mean, I know what it is, but how does it occure?  Is it simply lag, or is there something in the movement of a player that seems to trigger it?  Speed, perhaps, then a sudden slowing down that the script cannot handle?

*Shrug*

[Thinkto urself]

It is the common occurance of the lack of hit registry integrated into the saw, combined with lag, which induces the sawer to appear farther then the actual position he/she is at. Thus, it appears that they were able to chainsaw you from a distance.

[8th_account]

Could be bugs too. Soldat is full of 'em.

[STM1993]

May I ask if it is possible that it is also due to ping?

If I went into a zombie server with high ping, the zombies seem to be able to saw me from a distance. If it were low ping, I wouldn't get hit yet.

[poopdogg]

May I ask if it is possible that it is also due to ping?

If I went into a zombie server with high ping, the zombies seem to be able to saw me from a distance. If it were low ping, I wouldn't get hit yet.

yes it is possible

[Demonic]

The saw works like a gun, but the projectiles are invisible and disappear after a meter or so. Over the last few versions, in order to make it more effective, the bullet speed of the saw has been modified: but this way the saw graphics don't 'cover' the area of doom. This means that your saw is actually an inch longer than the weapon you hold in your hand. Weird shit. (:

[O.R.I.O.N.]

When in doubt, feck with the .ini.

[Überschall]

May I ask if it is possible that it is also due to ping?

If I went into a zombie server with high ping, the zombies seem to be able to saw me from a distance. If it were low ping, I wouldn't get hit yet.

Today in SPOT THE RELATION:

Ping and Lag!


If it's lag, it obviousely has to do with your ping. Still, it's never happened to me before. Also, does it relay on the sawers, or your connection? Because for hit registry, it's most likely to be yours when you're shooting, so in this case it'd be the sawer, no?

[-Major-]

well, soldats netcode is kinda poor. you are told where and how an object was fired/moved but it does not tell where it's going ot hit, so every computer calculates an unique position.

adding forcedphysics to the netcode would most likly make it less laggier, altough the sever requirements will be higher.

May I ask if it is possible that it is also due to ping?

If I went into a zombie server with high ping, the zombies seem to be able to saw me from a distance. If it were low ping, I wouldn't get hit yet.

Today in SPOT THE RELATION:

Ping and Lag!


If it's lag, it obviousely has to do with your ping. Still, it's never happened to me before. Also, does it relay on the sawers, or your connection? Because for hit registry, it's most likely to be yours when you're shooting, so in this case it'd be the sawer, no?

it could also be a lag in graphicscard process. lag and ping is not the same thing as lag means delay and ping is the time betwen sever and client.

[STM1993]

The saw works like a gun, but the projectiles are invisible and disappear after a meter or so. Over the last few versions, in order to make it more effective, the bullet speed of the saw has been modified: but this way the saw graphics don't 'cover' the area of doom. This means that your saw is actually an inch longer than the weapon you hold in your hand. Weird bollocks. (:

So you're saying that the saw bullets are like the Stationary Gun bullets as they will travel until a limited distance (in this case determined by the bullet speed) before they disappear?

Cool.

[O.R.I.O.N.]

Well, sort of. It more over appears at a point in front of you, the distance of which is determined by speed. Kinda weird, actually. Try setting the bullet style to knives and you'll see what I mean.

[Mr. Saw]

It's true that the saw has a weird hitbox, but you guys are overthinking this. If this happened in Saw and Law, it's just whining. I'm not sure who started this whole phenomenon, but in the Elite saw servers at least half the people who you kill will call you some variation of 'long saw' or another.

[matt]

It is the common occurance of the lack of hit registry integrated into the saw, combined with lag, which induces the sawer to appear farther then the actual position he/she is at. Thus, it appears that they were able to chainsaw you from a distance.

what he said XD

[boer]

its caused by the fact that soldat does not know your current ping, only an estimation based on previous pings, combined with soldat's anti-lag. The anti- lag will place you where you will be in the time indicated by your ping, so if your ping is inaccurate you will be placed further (ping higher than it really is) then you really are. simple.

[NinjaGimp369]

^Hey thar friend. Nice bump!

« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2008, 03:37:23 pm »

Try reading the post dates pl0x.