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Damn... couldn't yo' all leave this bloody grenade launcher alone?! Let's add startup time to every weapons except aug! It would be fair! Of course the game would begin even more realistic!... The names of weapons could be changed to "S*ity GL", "OMG Barrett SuX coz it'S .50 CAL! like CANON!". Hey. It really have no sense...
More of a weapon balance suggestion.But I do agree that the M79 does needs a delay like a Barrett. Its too damn easy to kill players with it.
The M79 is fine with or without a nerf, you see someone with a M79, you have a steyr aug, ak, or anyother long range automatic, they're doomed, I don't see why so many players are unable to avoid the M79's grenade. It seems like the M79 itself frustrates players, even though it doesn't rack in as many players as other guns. The paranoia of the M79 launcher is way over used. As said before, it doesn't rack in as many kills as other guns, and it is very easy to dodge a M79 grenade.
M79 is ok. It's overused by noobs - just due to the fact that it's 1-hit kill.It has 3 sec reload.It has 40 bink (1.5 - +15 bink.)It has moveacc.It has short range.What's wrong with it?
- Take away the "granade effect" you miss someone badly, but still kill them because they are at low health, wich isnt possible with any other weapon
I attend grammar school, last grade, and ignorance is all around me. Well, good for them. Ignorance is bliss.
I believe m79 should have bigger self-damage. It would prevent kamikazing with it.
Bink should be 80~100. 40 still isn't enough bink to be easily pressured by autos.
Wow, if you can't avoid an m79 or a nade on open spaces, sucks to be you.M79/spas are the easiest weapons to fight against if you're an auto user.I guess most of the haters are people from public servers, who move like bots.
You can unload enough bullets(with all weapons) onto a player with a m79 while they are reloading to kill them. If you miss then its your fault. M79ers have to learn how to play against everyone else. The barrett was nerfed because it could shoot across entire maps at a fast rate. The only weapon to have less range than a m79 is the spas. In short, if you can't are constantly being killed by one weapon.. YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG! Stop crying cause you run headstrong into a m79er and lose.
Quote from: †on March 19, 2008, 06:29:41 pmYou can unload enough bullets(with all weapons) onto a player with a m79 while they are reloading to kill them. If you miss then its your fault. M79ers have to learn how to play against everyone else. The barrett was nerfed because it could shoot across entire maps at a fast rate. The only weapon to have less range than a m79 is the spas. In short, if you can't are constantly being killed by one weapon.. YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG! Stop crying cause you run headstrong into a m79er and lose.Lets say one map was just finished on a ctf server, a new map starts and you're rushing forward with a auto or something, in the middle of the map, u meet a M79 guy, who instant pushes his fire button, and explodes you. What the hell can you do? There is no wepons who can compite to the M79
Stop crying cause you run headstrong into a m79er and lose.
How is a long range sniper rifle designed to take out tanks not able to combat a short range grenade launcher?
Quote from: ghg on March 20, 2008, 02:21:22 pmHow is a long range sniper rifle designed to take out tanks not able to combat a short range grenade launcher?It's "skill"...
To all you wnb pros who consider M79 to be "fine" and tell everyone from Joe Pubber to SCTFL winners to "learn to dodge," here are some month long snips from various servers.<stats snipped for brevity>
IMO, the M79 are the ultimate weapon in too many situations, the only weak point about M79 is range, and thats it..
m79 is alright, except they should have a law that no noobs are allowed to use it
Lets say one map was just finished on a ctf server, a new map starts and you're rushing forward with a auto or something, in the middle of the map, u meet a M79 guy, who instant pushes his fire button, and explodes you. What the hell can you do? There is no wepons who can compite to the M79
Hit the prone key....And yes 8th account, even in gathers, and clan wars, learn to fakking dodge the SLOW MOVING, HUGE, BULLET.
Quote from: Gortaak on March 25, 2008, 08:53:19 amHit the prone key....And yes 8th account, even in gathers, and clan wars, learn to fakking dodge the SLOW MOVING, HUGE, BULLET.The world of Soldat isn't only black and white. A miniscule amount of the kills due to the M79, at least in clanwars, are in either the category "long range" or "kamikaze." It's the greyscale that racks up the kills and annoys. In this range an M79 shell cannot easily be dodged on-the-fly. You can however deliberately provoke and feint people into missing, assuming you know where they are, and have a usable directional momentum to act accordingly, considering the map layout and the enemy's own directional momentum. For this to be to your favour as often as possible, you have to sacrifice pace. A sacrifice that shouldn't have to be made in a fast-paced game just because the enemy may or may not be carrying an M79. A sacrifice only RS and trenchwar losers are willing to do.
FFS. The M79 is a different weapon. You're always phrasing your arguments as though the M79 shouldn't get any kills at all.
Quote from: Ãœberschall on March 26, 2008, 07:39:24 amFFS. The M79 is a different weapon. You're always phrasing your arguments as though the M79 shouldn't get any kills at all.They're various counter-arguments against Gortaak's claims that M79 doesn't need a tweak because you can dodge.And how should we teach every new player to dodge then? Accomplishing this task would surely decrease M79 usage. Maybe if we all hold hands and wish real hard it'd come true.
(Sorry if I am unintelligent, since the knowledge I have only comes from a school text book...)
Only dodging isn't good for much. Most decent clanners combine it with worming and jetting up and down to get the most out of it. But even so, it's only useful for a handful of the times and will only work in specific situations.
Semi-pro gather [Grenade] => 52255 <---- => 32812 <---
Pro gather before the 1.5 WM was used... 2nd most used primary, almost trice as many kills as barret...Array( [Grenade] => 17697 <--- [Desert Eagles] => 14699 => 11694 <---
sctfl10 server... 4th most used primary, twice as many kills as barret... still pretty bad.Array( [Grenade] => 34795 <--- [Steyr AUG] => 28495 [Ak-74] => 25724 [Ruger 77] => 17458 [Combat Knife] => 13473 => 13077 <---
If you wanna talk about overpowered, look at the damn ruger. Anyone with atleast decent aim can drop you in 2 shots before you can kill them. Unless you rett or worm the bollocks outta a ruger. If you are an auto user you are just fecked. But you know what? Just because it takes about a week of practice to use it good, you wont nerf it. You probably will add MORE damage to it.
So, by your reasoning, we should nerf nades too, because they are the most over used weapon in
And with m79?... I don't whine about it, but it's so damn overused that it deserves for a nerf (like +15 bink // 1.5/gath ftw.)
No, but seriously. Why nerf it? Why is it, that you nerf every single gun? Its not over powered ffs. Havent you heard the phrase "dont fix it if it aint broke"? Say you do smash this thing with the nerf ANVIL, and no one uses it. There will be another gun that every single noob will flock too. Then you will destroy that with the nerf stick, and so on, and so forth, untill there is NOTHING LEFT. All this fecking nerfing is going ot ruin this fakking game. Everyone is always going to whine/cry/twat about the gun that ownes them the most.
Look at the m79 in comparason to the other guns that surround it. It get one shot, that moves slow, hardly registers when you need it to, 3 seconds to reload it after every shot, and horrible range unless you know what you are doing with it. And you are talking about "Tweaking" it? YEAH OK. Since when does the beta team tweak anything that is "overpowered"? They just smash it with their nerf cannons, and ruin it.
And who really care if noobs flock to one gun? So what its easy for them, thats how they get into the game. If you make EVERY gun super fecking hard to kill with, then there wont be very many new people. Games need easy guns for new people, so they have fun, and keep playing the game. Eventually they will get bored and experiment with other guns, and then the problem is solved. And before you all say, WELL OMG THEY KILLD ME IN TEH ONE SHOT, HOW IZ IT FUN FOAR ME? LIEK NOT FARE! Well, look at it this way, you all have one year + on any noob that joins this game. How is it fun or fair for them, when they can barely get 1 shot off at you, before you rape their face off? Soldat thrives on new player, and needs a steady influx of them to keep this game going. Let them have one fecking gun that they can have fun with to get addicted to this game.
And as for :Quote Only dodging isn't good for much. Most decent clanners combine it with worming and jetting up and down to get the most out of it. But even so, it's only useful for a handful of the times and will only work in specific situations.Have you ever tried to do it? Seriously? Saying that it only works in specific situations is completely wrong. It works in 90% of situations. Here, I will go into a pub filled with these guns, make a demo of me dodging 90% of shots, with this tactic, and show you how its done. Ill also make a demo of it in a gather, or an sctfl match when it starts (or any other league match for that matter). Just because a gun kicks the bollocks outta people that are too lazy to try not to get hit by it, doesnt mean you should just jump on the bandwagon and nerf it untill extinction.
And over used? What about grenades? Those are the MOST USED weapon, EVER. They can kill in one shot, or damn close to it most times. Look on EVERY server that has stats enabled, and the top killer WILL be nades. Why dont we just get rid of them? People kamakazi with those, nade spam your base, and you can drop all 3 of them in a blink of an eye into an enemies face, you can boost off of them/ with them. Anything that you can whine about with the m79, can apply to grenades, execpt grenades are more plentiful.And here to even bring in your old lists to PROVE my point:Liek omg 20 THOUSAND more kills than m79? OH GEEZE!Quotesnip So, by your reasoning, we should nerf nades too, because they are the most over used weapon in the game. Remember, anything that a m79 can do so can nades, with a bit less range.
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But bleh, none of this will sink in anyways, so its like arguing with a wall. :/