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[Überschall]

Protip: Don't listen to Mangled... he believes in 9/11 conspiracies.

Not trying to cut you down to size mangled... but your views on most things aren't anywhere near reality.

Oh and don't listen to uberschall. A comedians job is to ignore the obvious and perpetuate stereotypes, not state facts like in a speech or debate. If you honestly take any sort of advice from a comedian you are a retard.

Still, it's funny. And also, I just wanted to get over the message of picking at a certain passage of the bible.

[The Philanthropist]

Christianity... a shining beacon of excellence in the fascist mind.

There are many things wrong with the world, one of them is Christianity. I'm not saying Christian believers are evil, they're far from it. But the system of belief in which they instill their faith has some serious, serious flaws both morally and economically. The pastors and vicars, the church leaders, they're the evil ones.

Why? Because their job, their sole purpose in their careers isn't to help people, it's to profit from as many people as possible whilst maintaining the illusion that they're helping them. To tell someone a lie is a bad thing. But to tell a whole bunch of lies in front of a large congregation of people every Sunday is a fecking terrible thing, and if that isn't bad enough there's also Sunday School where bad parents send their children to get lied to and indoctrinated over the course of time. If I told a 5 year old a lie, chances are that child is going to believe me because children are programmed mentally to depend on elders and parents in the first 10 - 12 years of their lives and so if I told this child this lie and other lies that back it up every Sunday for a few hours every week for a few years, yes that child is going to believe me with absolutely no question whatsoever.

Christianity, among many other religions is designed to indoctrinate people when they're too vulnerable and naive to think for themselves, which is in their childhood. These ideas, these beliefs are relentlessly refreshed in their lives every day. Saying grace at the dinner table? Praying before you go to bed? This is how children are unknowingly pressured into believing something that they might otherwise not. It's not the parents fault though, because if they're Christians then you can bet that they were brought up in a very similar way and so were their parents. - If this system didn't exist then religions would most likely die out in just a few generations.

But Christianity doesn't stop here, no. Christianity has the spine to set up missionaries disguised as charitable organizations in developing and under-educated countries who have a specific agenda to convert the people of the region using similar techniques. Africa has a lot of orphans, a lot of these orphans will end up indoctrinated by their local missionary.

The religious leaders, the vicars, the priests, the bishops, the pastors, the cardinals and clergymen. Most of them do not truly believe in what they teach, they teach it to take advantage of the believers, to indoctrinate their children and manipulate their lives.

Religion is a dangerous wall of deceit and corruption, lets bring it down one prick at a time.

So, what the HELL does this have anything to do with Christianity? You seem to have a lot of goddamn gripes about an institution, without saying much of anything about the religion.

[Mangled*]

So, what the HELL does this have anything to do with Christianity? You seem to have a lot of goddamn gripes about an institution, without saying much of anything about the religion.

Have you read other posts by me in religious debate threads?

Religion is merely a tool used to dominate people, tell them what to think and feel, how to act and what to say. How many prayers of yours have come true which weren't already within the realms of certain probability?

Can I ask you a question?....  Does God have a brain? Please answer as best as you can.

[BondJamesBond]

Pastors and missionaries lie to us to make money. That's why they set up churches in poor, third world countries.

Religion is merely a tool used to dominate people, tell them what to think and feel, how to act and what to say. How many prayers of yours have come true which weren't already within the realms of certain probability?

Ha. That's why you believe in definite, solid, indisputable answers to everything.

[The Philanthropist]

So, what the HELL does this have anything to do with Christianity? You seem to have a lot of goddamn gripes about an institution, without saying much of anything about the religion.

Have you read other posts by me in religious debate threads?

Yeah. They sucked.

Religion is merely a tool used to dominate people, tell them what to think and feel, how to act and what to say.

I'll stick with Christianity here. Christianity's pillar of faith is love, and so God IS love. Christians believe that God created us in his image, so we must be love as well. The goal of a Christian is to BE that loving person. Sheesh, might as well break out the whips and leather thongs here.

How can you say that having guidance on how to act is a bad thing? How can feeling a love for the entire human race be something to fight? How can you think that a moral code on which to live by can be deemed as wrong? These are really bad questions, because I am sure you have a moral code. I am sure you believe that universal love is good. I am sure you take guidance on a daily basis. You seem to want to reject these things when it comes from a source you don't trust, which is perfectly OK. You can be athiest all up and down the street, but it's pretty ignorant to say that what Christians stand for is wrong, is dominating people, and is somehow a force controlling them; as if they don't have free will.

How many prayers of yours have come true which weren't already within the realms of certain probability?

Can I ask you a question?....  Does God have a brain? Please answer as best as you can.

I'm not religious. But I sure do love religion.

Pastors and missionaries lie to us to make money. That's why they set up churches in poor, third world countries.

Gee, don't people suck.

[The Geologist]

I'd just like to toss this in:

Mangled* I don't know what time you live in, but things today cost money.  From the land you worship on, to the bills it takes to keep that church lit, heated, and maintained with running water, sewage, etc.  Not to mention building the dern thing in the first place.  It's not a business, it's a religion.  It's one thing to have the idealistic viewpoint and say "you shouldn't need any money", but that was the case when living off the land was a perfectly viable option in and of itself.  Even monks, nuns, and the whole bunch need income these days.  That's a fact.

Oh wait, you mention stuff about economics and then went of on some bullocks about how lying to children is wrong, one of the most obvious statements in the world.

Gratz. 

I love playing the Devils advocate

[Lord Frunkamunch]

Does God have a brain? Please answer as best as you can.

I wouldn't guess a physical brain, unless you count Jesus's when he was human.

[Graham]

Does God have a brain? Please answer as best as you can.

I wouldn't guess a physical brain, unless you count Jesus's when he was human.

True. I am not sure if all Christians believe this but to my knowledge they do: God has no physical form. God is not male nor female, we just say "He" cause its easier.

[Lord Frunkamunch]

I think he has a form, (He'd have to to make man in his image) but no need for a brain in the literal sense.

[Mangled*]

I'll stick with Christianity here. Christianity's pillar of faith is love, and so God IS love. Christians believe that God created us in his image, so we must be love as well. The goal of a Christian is to BE that loving person. Sheesh, might as well break out the whips and leather thongs here.

How can you say that having guidance on how to act is a bad thing? How can feeling a love for the entire human race be something to fight? How can you think that a moral code on which to live by can be deemed as wrong?

God is not love. Love is love and God is God but they are not eachother. I believe in love but I do not believe in God. I am a loving person but I am not a Christian. Love does not come hand in hand with faith or vise versa.

No, guidance is not a bad thing but controlling how someone will live the rest of their lives is. Children of religious parents do not have a choice in what they believe and I think that is wrong because a child is far too young to understand what it means to be religious or not or even what they believe in. I wasn't brought up in a religious environment (apart from my childhood school which was Christian) and about the most direction I had in that instance when I was a kid was that I had a box full of old dinosaur toys.

Faith does not define your morality, being a good person means being a good person and you do not need religion to be a good person. In fact, in many instances religion may make people bad people when taken wildly out of context by the manipulating, faithless, religious leaders. I'm guessing you've heard of the lovely and humble Christians of West Borrow Baptist Church?

When was the last time you saw a racist/sexist/homophobic/violent/angry/hateful Atheist?

True. I am not sure if all Christians believe this but to my knowledge they do: God has no physical form. God is not male nor female, we just say "He" cause its easier.

This is a good answer, you're a good person and you aren't like some people who extrapolate belief from thin air.

A few weeks ago I asked the same question to a Christian on another forum he wasn't a particularly intelligent Christian, he thought people prayed on Sunday because Jesus was resurrected on a Sunday. He hadn't read much of the Bible and yet he had decided that evolution never happened.

Anyway this was his answer (and I think it says everything)

I'm not sure if God has a brain, but I don't think he does. He probably has something much better.

[Graham]

The door of stupidity goes both ways mangled. I have heard absolutely retarded reasons why people denounce Christianity or become atheists. My favorite is a guy that went to a Christian college on a whim(and apparently after not that long of being a Christian, so its clear he didn't know much) gave someone he barely knew at the college a few thousand dollars and it ended up he got scammed. So he blamed Christianity...  >.>

[The Philanthropist]

I'll stick with Christianity here. Christianity's pillar of faith is love, and so God IS love. Christians believe that God created us in his image, so we must be love as well. The goal of a Christian is to BE that loving person. Sheesh, might as well break out the whips and leather thongs here.

How can you say that having guidance on how to act is a bad thing? How can feeling a love for the entire human race be something to fight? How can you think that a moral code on which to live by can be deemed as wrong?

God is not love.

You misread that entire paragraph. The CHRISTIAN belief is that God is love.

I believe in love but I do not believe in God. I am a loving person but I am not a Christian. Love does not come hand in hand with faith or vise versa.

Ok. So you agree with what Christianity stands for, but still hate on it.

Children of religious parents do not have a choice in what they believe and I think that is wrong because a child is far too young to understand what it means to be religious or not or even what they believe in. I wasn't brought up in a religious environment (apart from my childhood school which was Christian) and about the most direction I had in that instance when I was a kid was that I had a box full of old dinosaur toys.

What does this have to do with Christianity?

Faith does not define your morality, being a good person means being a good person and you do not need religion to be a good person.

By belonging the the Christian faith, you inherently agree with the morals taught by it. But the second part is true, you don't need to be religious to be good. But if you agree that what Christianity teaches is good, then why why insult those who are part of that faith?

In fact, in many instances religion may make people bad people when taken wildly out of context by the manipulating, faithless, religious leaders. I'm guessing you've heard of the lovely and humble Christians of West Borrow Baptist Church?

What does manipulation have to do with Christianity?

When was the last time you saw a racist/sexist/homophobic/violent/angry/hateful Atheist?

So, ALL atheists are perfect I guess? Or can atheists be just as cracked out as any other person on the planet?

I'm trying to convince you that Christianity wants people to be 'Good' people. All the things you point out that you believe is 'wrong' with Christianity actually have nothing to do with the faith at all. You have serious gripes with the instituition of the Church.

[Twistkill]

When was the last time you saw a racist/sexist/homophobic/violent/angry/hateful Atheist?

I lol'd... again.

I think that atheists, especially one like yourself, have the potential to be quite hateful. In fact, you are being hateful right now. I have yet to see an atheist who is neutral towards someone else's religious views. We're not pushing Christianity on you, but you're trying to break us down and convince us that our faith is wrong. And then when we want to express our views, we're suddenly being controlling. I haven't seen a bigger case of holding double standards in my life.

Why do you care? If God doesn't exist and apparently the Bible is inherently flawed, then why do you even bother bringing them up? It's completely wrong and non-existent, isn't it?

Hell, I don't even think you're an atheist. I think you belong in the realm of anti-theism, which is taken a step further.

[a-4-year-old]

When was the last time you saw a racist/sexist/homophobic/violent/angry/hateful Atheist?

Stalin?

[Mangled*]

The CHRISTIAN belief is that God is love.

Since about 1995

Ok. So you agree with what Christianity stands for, but still hate on it.

Christianity doesn't specifically stand for love. Love is a part of its teachings, but its teachings are broad and many and love is generally taught in every religion. You can't say that Christianity is a religion of love more so than any other belief or even of non-belief.

What does this have to do with Christianity?

Are you thick?

By belonging the the Christian faith, you inherently agree with the morals taught by it. But the second part is true, you don't need to be religious to be good. But if you agree that what Christianity teaches is good, then why why insult those who are part of that faith?

Am I insulting? Twistkill asked for my input in this topic, go to him if you feel insulted. Love and goodness is taught in all religions so again you can't use that card, it's everywhere in society and isn't faith specific.

What does manipulation have to do with Christianity?

What does control have to do with a 'following'?

So, ALL atheists are perfect I guess?

I never implied that, but atheists aren't controlled by someone with an agenda in the way that some religious people are.

I'm trying to convince you that Christianity wants people to be 'Good' people. All the things you point out that you believe is 'wrong' with Christianity actually have nothing to do with the faith at all. You have serious gripes with the instituition of the Church.

Christianity teaches that the world is about 6000 years old and yet we all know better don't we? The Bible is a book written a long time ago by men who only had the understanding of that age. Understanding advances as science advances and for some reason as science advances religion becomes more and more obscure, desperately trying to adapt around and evade science. I think it's wrong to force incorrect beliefs which are hundreds of years old on children when they could learn the truth for themselves in their own time.

When was the last time you saw a racist/sexist/homophobic/violent/angry/hateful Atheist?

Stalin?

You saw Stalin? I doubt that, I'm talking about seeing someone with your own eyes, not from pictures or video footage.

I think that atheists, especially one like yourself, have the potential to be quite hateful. In fact, you are being hateful right now. I have yet to see an atheist who is neutral towards someone else's religious views. We're not pushing Christianity on you, but you're trying to break us down and convince us that our faith is wrong. And then when we want to express our views, we're suddenly being controlling. I haven't seen a bigger case of holding double standards in my life.

Hell, I don't even think you're an atheist. I think you belong in the realm of anti-theism, which is taken a step further.

You don't know me well enough to call me hateful. The old testament encourages believers to hate non-believers. The new testament encourages believers to not trust non-believers. I'm a good person, and you don't know me well enough to make the judgement that I'm not, just like how I can't say you're a hateful person. Everyone has their opinion, this is mine. Many atheists share this view but few actually speak it.

If you can't take the heat, step out of the sauna.

[Graham]

Since about 1995

You are confusing misunderstanding with belief.

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

Christianity doesn't specifically stand for love. Love is a part of its teachings, but its teachings are broad and many and love is generally taught in every religion. You can't say that Christianity is a religion of love more so than any other belief or even of non-belief.

That's actually the basis of Christianity.  "For God so LOVED the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him shall have eternal life."  That verse right there is Christianity.  The rest is just details.

Am I insulting? Twistkill asked for my input in this topic, go to him if you feel insulted. Love and goodness is taught in all religions so again you can't use that card, it's everywhere in society and isn't faith specific.

Well, there is the thing where your original point was that Christianity had NO love and was filled with money-hungry evildoers...

What does manipulation have to do with Christianity?

What does control have to do with a 'following'?

Nothing at all.  People follow because they choose to, not because they have to.

Christianity teaches that the world is about 6000 years old and yet we all know better don't we?

Just like we all know that 9/11 was a government conspiracy? I mean, heck, there's so much evidence for it, right?

[a-4-year-old]

When was the last time you saw a racist/sexist/homophobic/violent/angry/hateful Atheist?

Stalin?

You saw Stalin? I doubt that, I'm talking about seeing someone with your own eyes, not from pictures or video footage.

I haven't seen a christian who was any of those either, so what is your point.

I suppose we could always judge a large group of people by the most extreme ones as you are doing, but that wouldn't be very progressive would it mangled*?

[Kszchroink]

way to derail a homework thread guys (serious post)

[The Philanthropist]

What does this have to do with Christianity?

Are you thick?

Yes, I am. Please very carefully explain your thoughts in Relation to the Christian belief.

Love and goodness is taught in all religions so again you can't use that card, it's everywhere in society and isn't faith specific.

Thats the exact reason I'm using 'that card'. All religions teach love and goodness. Thank you.

What does control have to do with a 'following'?

Answering a question with a question is rather fecking annoying. Whatever perceived manipulation you see comes from PEOPLE. RELIGIOUS LEADERS (not a faith), manipulate. Prove that the base beliefs of Christianity manipulate people into doing something for 'faith', which sounds ridiculous already.

So, ALL atheists are perfect I guess?

I never implied that, but atheists aren't controlled by someone with an agenda in the way that some religious people are.

Thanks for not answering the back half of that answer, and purposely answering the rhetorical question,  which was setting up the real point.

Christianity teaches that the world is about 6000 years old and yet we all know better don't we? The Bible is a book written a long time ago by men who only had the understanding of that age. Understanding advances as science advances and for some reason as science advances religion becomes more and more obscure, desperately trying to adapt around and evade science

Young Earth Creationists (YEC) claim a literal interpretation of the Bible as a basis for their beliefs. They believe that the earth is 6000 to 10,000 years old, that all life was created in six literal days,

Not all Christians are literalistic, most contextualize the Bible.

I think it's wrong to force incorrect beliefs which are hundreds of years old on children when they could learn the truth for themselves in their own time.

What does this have to do with Christianity?

Many atheists share this view but few actually speak it.

Being atheist doesn't mean trumpeting it to the fucking gates every damned morning in an attempt to turn the infidels away from their beliefs.

God hands Man a list that is about 4749218 miles long,

There is 10 rules. 10. Most of them you would follow without even thinking about it.