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[Mangled*]

* Twistkill waits for Mangled*.

Being atheist doesn't mean trumpeting it to the fucking gates every damned morning in an attempt to turn the infidels away from their beliefs.

My opinions are in popular demand, I can't help being so correct about everything.

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

I know there are 10 rules, but they just sum up everything that you can't do. There are millions of things that send you to hell! And don't think for one second that I'm going to name them all!

Um...yeah.  Everyone, even Christians, do things that would send them to hell.  The difference is that we admit that, and we ask for his forgiveness (which he's happy to provide).  Christianity is not about being perfect.  Christianity is about the redemption we've received, along with our effort to spread that good news across the world.

[BondJamesBond]

God is not love. Love is love and God is God but they are not eachother. I believe in love but I do not believe in God. I am a loving person but I am not a Christian. Love does not come hand in hand with faith or vise versa.

Oh really, is science going to prove this too?

No, guidance is not a bad thing but controlling how someone will live the rest of their lives is. Children of religious parents do not have a choice in what they believe and I think that is wrong because a child is far too young to understand what it means to be religious or not or even what they believe in.

I'm pretty sure when you have children, you're going to raise them atheist. And how can you use this against religion? It's evident in pretty much any belief, ideal, principle, etc.

Faith does not define your morality, being a good person means being a good person and you do not need religion to be a good person. In fact, in many instances religion may make people bad people when taken wildly out of context by the manipulating, faithless, religious leaders. I'm guessing you've heard of the lovely and humble Christians of West Borrow Baptist Church?

Yes, you have already been owned on this paragraph.

A few weeks ago I asked the same question to a Christian on another forum he wasn't a particularly intelligent Christian, he thought people prayed on Sunday because Jesus was resurrected on a Sunday.

On some forum, I was debating a rather retarded atheist and he replied:

When was the last time you saw a racist/sexist/homophobic/violent/angry/hateful Atheist?

[Graham]

"Do what ever you want, but if you do this", God hands Man a list that is about 4749218 miles long, "I will send you to Hell! Good luck!"

For one in reality there are not that many rules. Also you are looking at it from the wrong viewpoint to begin with. Christianity is about developing a relationship with God. The do and do-nots come after that. However when you have developed that relationship its not about "I don't do this because the rules say so" but "I don't do this because that would hurt my relationship with God and I care about it more than whatever small matter "x" is." Like if your girlfriend didn't want you do curse you would probably stop cursing since you don't want to ruin that relationship.

[The Philanthropist]

* Twistkill waits for Mangled*.

Being atheist doesn't mean trumpeting it to the fucking gates every damned morning in an attempt to turn the infidels away from their beliefs.

My opinions are in popular demand, I can't help being so correct about everything.

Who the hell wants all your sycophantic bullbollocks? Your 'opinions' are unfounded, and based off of unrelated so called 'facts' and misinterpretation.  You decided to ignore my answers and post a sarcastic sentence to dodge the accusations. You can still be atheist and not be an ignorant atheist.

sycophantic is such a sick word

Date Posted: March 23, 2008, 12:06:28 am

God hands Man a list that is about 4749218 miles long,

There is 10 rules. 10. Most of them you would follow without even thinking about it.

EDIT: I don't know why the quote thingy looks like this

I know there are 10 rules, but they just sum up everything that you can't do. There are millions of things that send you to hell! And don't think for one second that I'm going to name them all!

Could hell not be your own guilt and shame? Could the burning fires of eternity be a metaphor for the remorse you feel?

Or are the burning fires of hell actually... the burning fires of hell.

[Mangled*]

Oh really, is science going to prove this too?

I can't pretend that I know the answer to that. I don't know the answer to that. Do you?

I'm pretty sure when you have children, you're going to raise them atheist. And how can you use this against religion? It's evident in pretty much any belief, ideal, principle, etc.

When I have children I plan to raise them as children, when they're old enough to understand hopefully they'll have thought about it and made up their own minds about it. Hopefully they'll end up atheists if I let them play with dinosaur toys.

On some forum, I was debating a rather retarded atheist and he replied:

When was the last time you saw a racist/sexist/homophobic/violent/angry/hateful Atheist?

That seems slightly bitter and quite defensive of you. Are you a Christian and do I offend thee?

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

I'm pretty sure when you have children, you're going to raise them atheist. And how can you use this against religion? It's evident in pretty much any belief, ideal, principle, etc.

When I have children I plan to raise them as children, when they're old enough to understand hopefully they'll have thought about it and made up their own minds about it. Hopefully they'll end up atheists if I let them play with dinosaur toys.

(The implication being, of course, that Christians don't believe in dinosaurs.  Yes, I see what you did there. =P)

Children need guidance before they're old enough to think objectively.  You can be a tool and not care what they do, or you can admit that morals exist by punishing them when they do things "wrong."  And then of course, you'll think, "Gee, I was a hypocrite when I got mad at Christians for telling me that there are right and wrong ways to live my life; after all, now I'm doing the same thing to my kids."

As the Bible says, "Raise up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it."  Raise them to think for themselves, instead of listening to whatever Christians or atheists rant about.  Ignorance, generalizations, and stereotypes don't help anyone.

[BondJamesBond]

I can't pretend that I know the answer to that. I don't know the answer to that. Do you?

So you pretty much pulled that out of your ass? (Yeah, look I can answer with questions.)

I can't pretend that I know the answer to that. I don't know the answer to that. Do you?

God knows.

When I have children I plan to raise them as children, when they're old enough to understand hopefully they'll have thought about it and made up their own minds about it. Hopefully they'll end up atheists if I let them play with dinosaur toys.

Man, you're a fair guy, aren't you... Well, not quite. You have to give each religion its fair chance so... Let them perform the Salaat, attend Sunday School, and don't forget his Bar Mitzvah.

That seems slightly bitter and quite defensive of you. Are you a Christian and do I offend thee?

When was the last time you saw a racist/sexist/homophobic/violent/angry/hateful Atheist?

Is this really considered offensive? More than just stupid?

[KorrupT MerC]

The implication being, of course, that Christians don't believe in dinosaurs.

Not entirely true, i have heard the bible says that man walked with monsterous/gigantic beasts, it doesn't clarify what type of beasts they were but it could mean dinosaurs, or it could mean just animals we know today, i havent seen this scripture with my own eyes but i have talked with someone who is strong in his faith.
hopefully you weren't being sarcastic...

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

The implication being, of course, that Christians don't believe in dinosaurs.

Not entirely true, i have heard the bible says that man walked with monsterous/gigantic beasts, it doesn't clarify what type of beasts they were but it could mean dinosaurs, or it could mean just animals we know today, i havent seen this scripture with my own eyes but i have talked with someone who is strong in his faith.

Job 40:15-24.  The behemoth mentioned sounds remarkably similar to a sauropod.  Also, while not strictly Biblical, think of how many times you've heard of dragons, from completely different cultures even.  Where do you think those legends came from?

hopefully you weren't being sarcastic...

False hope, I'm afraid.

[Graham]

Supporting Gamer here. Yes Christians believe in dinosaurs; it is pure, unadulterated ignorance to say we don't just because we believe in creation.

Also there is a pretty sound theory involving the extinction of the dinosaurs and the fossils dealing with the flood floating around, don't know how many believe it though.

[Graham]

All I want to say is that I think that christianity is not wrong, but unfair...

I mean, you have to be perfect to go to Heaven, so billions and billions of people go to Hell, while only a few million go to Heaven... The thought depresses me...

You COMPLETELY misunderstood Christianity in once sentence...

[Smegma]

* Twistkill waits for Mangled*.

Being atheist doesn't mean trumpeting it to the fucking gates every damned morning in an attempt to turn the infidels away from their beliefs.

My opinions are in popular demand, I can't help being so correct about everything.

Fallic

Can I ask you a question?....  Does God have a brain? Please answer as best as you can.

No, simple.

Mangled is the typical athiest arse, he thinks his "logic" can solve all and yet hardly ever exercises it. When given a real question that should use logic, he simply doesn't think hard enough. Religion (read: generic) is easy to pick and feel smart about, so he keeps doing it.

[Mangled*]

When I have children I plan to raise them as children, when they're old enough to understand hopefully they'll have thought about it and made up their own minds about it. Hopefully they'll end up atheists if I let them play with dinosaur toys.

Children need guidance before they're old enough to think objectively.  You can be a tool and not care what they do, or you can admit that morals exist by punishing them when they do things "wrong."  And then of course, you'll think, "Gee, I was a hypocrite when I got mad at Christians for telling me that there are right and wrong ways to live my life; after all, now I'm doing the same thing to my kids."

As the Bible says, "Raise up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it."  Raise them to think for themselves, instead of listening to whatever Christians or atheists rant about.  Ignorance, generalizations, and stereotypes don't help anyone.

What the feck gamer? That's exactly what I was saying all along and I never said I wouldn't teach my children morals, I said I wouldn't give them religious guidance. (i.e I won't tell them what to believe when it comes to god existing or not)

I can't tell if that was sheer misinterpretation or if you were taking cheap shots at me by purposely misunderstanding and then using what I said as if I said the opposite and arguing against it.

And about the dinosaur toys... I never implied that that was because Christians don't believe in them... I said that because I used to have dinosaur toys.

So you pretty much pulled that out of your ass? (Yeah, look I can answer with questions.)

That seems slightly bitter and quite defensive of you. Are you a Christian and do I offend thee?

When was the last time you saw a racist/sexist/homophobic/violent/angry/hateful Atheist?

Is this really considered offensive? More than just stupid?

BondJamesBond, I actually used to think you were decent and respectable but for some reason in this thread you're acting like a total asshat towards me. So yes, I think I have offended you and I think if you're going to be cheap enough to re-arrange quotes in an order that even attempts to make me look inconsistent then I think you suck. If you want to be a dick and really try to insult me then make a topic in the fisting zone and stop fannying about here.

Fallic

Mangled is the typical athiest arse, he thinks his "logic" can solve all and yet hardly ever exercises it. When given a real question that should use logic, he simply doesn't think hard enough. Religion (read: generic) is easy to pick and feel smart about, so he keeps doing it.

1) Are you trying to spell 'phallic'?

2) Logic can solve all problems, I believe in logic and if you don't then that's your own problem. No I don't have all the answers in the world, and I've never claimed to but don't even begin to pretend you do.

3) I asked the "does god have a brain" question not because it makes me look smart or if it's a question of logic but because by someones answer you can tell if they know what they're talking about or not. † knows what he's talking about. Do you?

[Graham]

Mangled he doesn't say he doesn't believe in logic. I think he was simply insulting yours.

[{LAW} Gamer_2k4]

All I want to say is that I think that christianity is not wrong, but unfair...

I mean, you have to be perfect to go to Heaven, so billions and billions of people go to Hell, while only a few million go to Heaven... The thought depresses me...

You COMPLETELY misunderstood Christianity in once sentence...

And completely ignored several posts in response to yours.  Ignoring what people say and repeating yourself doesn't make you right.  The funny thing is, you actually believe that there are a few million perfect people in the world, when in actuality there has only been one.

[Mangled*]

Mangled he doesn't say he doesn't believe in logic. I think he was simply insulting yours.

Not insulted by it I'm afraid... a few months ago the kid used to look up to and try to act like Karmazon.

he funny thing is, you actually believe that there are a few million perfect people in the world, when in actuality there has only been one.

Would that be your savior Jesus Christ? I dunno... does he count? :\

[Graham]

>.> Yes he does count.

[Pie]

Logic can solve all problems, I believe in logic and if you don't then that's your own problem. No I don't have all the answers in the world, and I've never claimed to but don't even begin to pretend you do.

Do you even know how similar that sounds to religion?
So tell me why logic is so much better then blind faith?

I was raised to be catholic, as in i was baptized and brought up in that frame of mind, But nowdays i reject that way of thinking. No I do not believe in god, But i don't fully understand the system that Christan's use or have i read the bible. Perhaps if i were to actually understand these things i'd believe in 'Blind faith'.
But saying that 'Christianity is WRONG. PERIOD. is not only, a wrong statement, But ignorant as hell.

And I'd like to know exactly why you'd choose logic over blind faith, Why is it a better way to think?
A Christian looks at death and thinks "Well, If god chooses me to go to heaven or hell, i accept that."
Where a logical person looks at death and thinks "There is nothing after death, I cease to exist and in believing it, i accept that."
So ultimately who is right?

Logic doesn't prevail over faith and vice versa.

[BondJamesBond]

BondJamesBond, I actually used to think you were decent and respectable but for some reason in this thread you're acting like a total asshat towards me. So yes, I think I have offended you and I think if you're going to be cheap enough to re-arrange quotes in an order that even attempts to make me look inconsistent then I think you suck.

You are inconsistent.
This is my favorite one:

Pastors and missionaries lie to us to make money. That's why they set up churches in poor, third world countries.

So yes, I think I have offended you

I'm not allowed to respond, then? When you offend someone, how do really expect them to react?

I want to get back to religion Here's where we left off.

You don't have to respond if you have no argument. I just don't want to derail the topic.