Socom

[Überschall]

The socom... isn't it a little powerful? It's a fucking secondary, still you can wipe out two players with one clip and if you've got fast fingers, it's got the rate of an auto.
I mean it's just... too powerful. It's a secondary, it should be supposed to keep enemies on distance and search for a place to reload, but instead, you can easily stand up agains nearly and primary.

[Mr.Gimli]

That's my 2ND favorite weapon, at near distance, its unbelievable

[Espadon]

Don't forget the range though. It's great in R mode but in Normal mode it isn't the Spas-Minimi hybrid it is otherwise. But in real life it's supposed to be a really powerful pistol -- I mean it's designed to be able to be used as an offensive primary weapon if I remember correctly.

[Überschall]

Fuck off with "in real life". This isn't real life.
It's a secondary and it's just too powerful for that.

[Ziem]

It's balanced.

Why do you think that it's overpowered?
(Please don't post this dps stuff... it means nothing.)

It's only secondary which isn't 1-hit, and is worse than any primary. If a player is better than you he can, of course, own you using only socom.

[Zamorak]

In the socom's case it is only balanced because it is not used very much. If it was used as much as the knife for example, it would be overpowered (which I believe it is anyway, but nobody uses it that much so it's not a problem).

[tehsnipah]

The socom... isn't it a little powerful? It's a fecking secondary, still you can wipe out two players with one clip and if you've got fast fingers, it's got the rate of an auto.
I mean it's just... too powerful. It's a secondary, it should be supposed to keep enemies on distance and search for a place to reload, but instead, you can easily stand up agains nearly and primary.

it is true what he said, but don't argue with secondary weapons, they're all balanced, and it's a freaking pistol

[Überschall]

Yes, it's a freaking pistol and it hands out too much damage. If you're not rather far away from him he can blow you out with a few socom shots easily.

[excruciator]

Guess you got your ass whipped today by a socomer.
Socom is a damn powerful weapon but not many can really kill with it. So I guess is balanced.

[Überschall]

Not many actually try to kill with it, but that shouldn't be the judgement for balancing a weapon.

[Thinkto urself]

The SOCOM is fine with or without a nerf, you see someone with a SOCOM, you have a steyr aug, ak, or any other long range automatic, they're doomed, I don't see why so many players are unable to avoid the SOCOM's bullet. It seems like the SOCOM itself frustrates players, even though it doesn't rack in as many players as other guns. The paranoia of the SOCOM is rare, why would anyone even be scared of a SOCOM to begin with? As said before, it doesn't rack in as many kills as other guns, and it is very easy to run away from a SOCOM.

As posted above in the, "Solutions to decrease the M79" thread. I don't understand why you are so content about nerfing it. Not alot of people join a server, pick a primary, then switch to SOCOM because they think it will own alot more. Schall, you simply are frustrated by the SOCOM, don't take that to offense, but some people get frustrated when they are killed with some of the "Less Common" guns, such as the Chainsaw, or the minigun. The SOCOM's arc is already fairly large, and needs quite a lot of skill to kill with from a distance.

[tehsnipah]

i ass raped people with socom in old age, it's really annoying to shoot, because it's really short ranged

[Pragma]

It's already been said, but there's no need to change the SOCOM.  As-is, you can't really go offensive with it unless you train your ass of to do so. 

What it really does is give you a chance to kill an opponent when your primary's reload will take too long.  Switching to this sidearm will allow you to dispatch the enemy while they're still shoving that second clip into their deagles, or fumbling with that m79 shell.

[STM1993]

Off topic: I want the USSOCOM to have 171 +1 = 172 damage D=

Anyway, back on topic:

USSOCOM? It's an excellent weapon, very formidable in the hands of a skilled player.

1. Exactly 6 shots can kill a single opponent
2. It holds 12 ammo per clip
3. It has the fastest reload of all choosable(can be selected from weapon menu) guns in Soldat
4. Very fast firing rate for a semi-automatic: 12 ticks
BUT
It has a low bullet speed (180), so it is built for close or mid-range encounters.

^ With this in mind, the USSOCOM is a very strong secondary weapon, for backup and finishing off injured(low HP) or disadvantaged (killing a binked a Barret or a reloading M79 for example) opponents or even chasing. It is kinda like a mini-version of the DEs. But the fact remains that:

1. In the hands of two equally skilled players, one with a Primary weapon VS one with the Socom, the Primary weapon is most likely to win 95% of the time, depending on what kind of primary weapon you are talking about and the situation. Typically the primary wins, unless the primary is reloading, made a terrible miss with slow guns like Barret or M79, or has been insanely binked. But is that the case all the time? No. And all the autos can easily beat the Socom.

2. It is the only secondary weapon that can't kill in one hit. What's more, no one's aim is 100/100 and there's lag/bullet reg etc, and it is not always possible to kill a person even with one full clip.

USSOCOM is perfect. No change needed at all.

[Ziem]

STM1993 - 1.5 / gather balance has +1 dmg on socom ;d.
And you can kill with 5 bullets, but it's rather rare (5x head ... rofl.)

[STM1993]

STM1993 - 1.5 / gather balance has +1 dmg on socom ;d.
And you can kill with 5 bullets, but it's rather rare (5x head ... rofl.)

YAY!!!

5 headshots = kill? o.o Wow... But ya, SOCOM's good as it is and as it is going to be on 1.5. Besides, it's my actually my favourite weapon out of all Soldat guns, even though it is a secondary weapon that is generally inferior to primary weapons.

*off topic*
Me want Dual USSOCOMs.

[tehsnipah]

dual socom? that'll definitely have a rivalry with deagles
i say deagle can pwn socom

[JonWood007]

It is a little overpowered for a secondary, but on the other hand, it is the only secondary that is not a 1 hit wonder. So maybe it isn't so bad after all...

I like it. Maybe a little nerfing would be good, but not too much. At this point, the socom CAN defeat deagles players. I've done it before. Obviously, the socom guy needs to be better than the deagles guy, but I've outgunned every weapon with full HP at some point or another using the socom.

[MRH]

I want another pistol along with it. Like a 226, or a 9.

[LtKillroy]

I think it is perfectly fine. It got nerfed once, we don't need to do it again. So it is possible to kills someone with it, that's how it should be. Like it was said, its the only non 1 hit kill, and it is only really feasible to use in a few situations with the long reload guns, usually. Its really not that bad at all, you just have to learn to counter it like every gun.