How to beat me in Trenchwar

[Peu]

I thought to myself once "Maybe as they adapt, they'll counter my tricks and beat the shit out of me. I better be slick about it." Yeah, right. Like ten or so people actually react and adapt, and unless I'm playing with them, I'm probably bored.

So, I'm going to spell out here the majority of my tricks, so that you know what to expect, and hopefully, you'll react or something.

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As those of you who play against me have noticed, I REALLY like the Ruger. I think it is the most versatile weapon because:
A. It can kill in one headshot
B. Since it's only one shot, I only need a minimal amount of time with a line of sight
C. Mad range

Now, a bit about me:
A. I'm fast
B. I rush
C. I'm patient
D. I can counter your spray
E. I learn your tricks almost instantly, even if I don't react to them

Now, this should be a good start. So, here's how it goes.

If you know that I know that you're camping nearby, and I'm either in a trench or behind a door -any cover, really- know this: I will shoot you as soon as I can. I will NOT wait till I'm at the apex of my jump. The Ruger shoots about one shot every half a second. I'm going to shoot you as I'm coming out of the hole, as I'm at the apex, and as I'm falling. I will also be throwing a grenade as I'm doing this.
I already marked you when I say you, and I'm aiming at you while I'm in the hole. When I jump out, I just keep the aim in place and blow you to hell.

I will ALWAYS try to be above you, so I will often take the highest path possible. Being above you give me free headshots. This is part of the reason I backflip so damn much.

The other reason I backflip so damn much is because I'm dodging your shots. I usually keep my distance from you so that you have to lead your shot, and then, I play to your anticipations and dodge.

My FAVORITE thing to do in any situation is to make ample use of misdirection. I like sneaking up on people and make them believe lies. If we're in a bunker and you think it's a good idea to simply follow me, you're going to die. Everything I do as I play is directed at making you easier to kill:
A. Every time I pretend I'm going to attack and don't is so you'll get used to that behavior, NOT because I'm actually going to attack in that same way.

If I'm standing still behind a door, and I know you see me, that's because I'm doing it for a reason. You're wasting time as I'm waiting for reinforcements. I'm also reloading, and creating doubts in your head as to what is it that I'm actually going to do. I'm ALSO making you act first, because believe me, I have at least two different plans to kill you when you move.

I spray for four reasons:
A. To hit/wound you at places where you are likely to be
B. to make you think I'm at the place where the spray shot came from (misdirection)
C. to suppress your team while something else is happening
D. To make your sniper think that he has a shot, waste it, so that I have a full second of open ground to make my next move

When I say "inc" "high" or "he's in the rafters" in teamchat, it's not always for my teammates, it's so you enemies can see and do something stupid. There have been countless times when I rushed ahead of my team, died, and said "inc" just so the enemies would think the area ahead is fortified, and stop their advance. Also, it makes people waste grenades.

If you're spraying AND camping, you're asking me to kill you in the most leisurely way possible.

The speed at which I run is decided by three things:
A. If I need to assist from lines
B. If I want run past you and make you turn your back to the front lines
C. If I want to kill you before you get to react

Just because I seem reckless, doesn't mean I'm doing thoughtless things. I die a lot not only because I don't give a shit, but because I'm using up YOUR time to kill me, since I can probably run back faster than you can. I sometimes make a run only to wound everyone in your team.

The objective is to Capture The Flag, and I know this. I don't usually like fulfilling it, as I rather find interesting new ways to kill people, however, when I DO want to cap, I will gear my actions towards that. If I don't kill you for some reason when it seems that I would have otherwise, it's probably because I'm making you waste time, preventing you from respawning, and in general, doing something much more effective that killing you might have been.

I am REALLY nimble. I can get atop most structures with backflips where others would use grenades. Always expect versatility, and take precautionary actions.

How I take bunkers:
assuming the external defenses are down, I will probably go onto the roof and around the back. If I come from the front, I'm going to do at least two of these three things:
A. Throw a grenade
B. do a backflip TOWARDS you as soon as I'm in the door, making you miss and giving me my headshot
C. Fake you out and make you waste your LAW/grenade/sniper shot/Ruger shot

Don't hide in the same place twice in a row... just... don't... I remember them, and I use them.

The grenades I throw that seem superfluous are for three things:
A. To distract you so that you have to evade it
B. To launch you up so I can shoot you
C. So that you'll forget about it, and evade my bullets into the grenade

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That's all I can think of right now, but please, I'm tired of using these same goddamned tricks on you people who don't react or learn. I like developing new ones, but I never get a chance to test them out because you fall for the FIRST stage of the trick, before it ever even gets interesting.

[BombSki]

learn to play tactical TW and join a TTW gather, and well see who the best roofjumper is

also why did u post this in the modding forum.. :S

[chrisgbk]

I do pretty good against you rushing with my shotgun.  

(A Furry)

Date Posted: April 02, 2008, 06:11:54 pm

And this is in the mod section why? alsotrenchwarssuckslol

It's not anymore.

[Peu]

Yeah, I don't actually know what it was doing in the other section, since I don't actually even read that. But there WAS an error when I tried to submit, and I had to do it twice because it landed on an error page. Well, thanks for moving it.

You're A Furry? Yeah, you're good...

[a-4-year-old]

How to be incredibly arrogant on soldatforums:

[Iq Unlimited]

What the fuck makes you so sure your good? I could take you. Everyone in BLAK could take you. Arrogant much?

[Zamorak]

Maybe this is a stupid question to ask...but who are you?

[Espadon]

Maybe this is a stupid question to ask...but who are you?

Peu's a relatively well known player in TW. Ah, as far as I remember he's considered one of the better Ruger users in TW. *shrugs* 2Wai isn't the whole world, even if you do have all the celebrities.

[Peu]

I never actually said I was good, actually, only that people have a hard time learning to avoid simple tricks, so I'm telling those who don't know these tricks about them, and essentially, how to counter them.

If you find this arrogant, then maybe you're a bit sensitive. Statistically speaking, against the people I'm talking about, these tricks work about 75% of the time.

I never implied EVERYONE is incapable of learning, but of the people that play all the time and that I see online all the time in the servers I play, most are pretty damn stupid. It's amusing, though, that you, Iq Unlimited (a name I take not to mean the arrogant thing I think it means) would be so defensive, so quickly. Wow, BLAK. Just another clan, sorry.

As a matter of fact, what a foolish, idiotic thing to do, forming this post as I did, when I knew how sensitive people tend to be. Either way, that was the most accurate rendition of what tends to happen in the very limited scope of the situations I presented.

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As a disclaimer for you naysayers and hearsayers, and arbitrary interpreters: My aim is mediocre, and so is my skill. The tricks hearby presented are, in fact, the ones that *I* use the majority of the time, and so the knowledge of which would be most effective in defeating *ME*
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So don't get offended if you're good, because this is obviously not directed at you. If you don't fall for these tricks, THAT'S FANTASTIC. You don't know how truly happy this makes me, and I wish you would play with me, because I bet that would be fun as hell. If you ARE offended, then I guess that's just funny too. BUT, what can I do? Such is life and those in it.

[Kerrazyeye]

My aim is mediocre, and so is my skill.

Lies. You own. But seriously, some people take this game way to seriously - its just soldat. Grab an M79 or whatever and have fun above all else.

To below: I know. Pick one of the other 15 weapons then, it really doesnt matter.

[Iq Unlimited]

Peu, here's my first impression when you posted this.

"Hey, My name is Peu, I'm going to teach you how to be as good as I am." and I thought: "What the feck does he know? Pompus idiot."

and @above, There is no M79 in trenchwar, It's removed.

[TheV]

I don't really understand why you would post this unless ofcourse you have become bored with the few players that do infact play trenchwars and were hoping that this post would help them and give you more of a challenge.

I do know that you are a great foe and an even better friend.

I also know that you do have tricks and I myself have seen them and most of the time I can counter them although you are still better then me.

It is always fun to play against or with you. Your a great teammate and you know how to work as a team as many people playing trenchwars do not. They often just rush into battle alone and die which does nothing for the team where you provide cover while taking out enemies thus moving your team up a bunker or such.

I don't understand why Iq thinks this is arrogant, when all you did was try to help the people that have trouble coming up against you.

I know that I cannot myself beat Peu, and I am in BLAK.

Therefore your above statement was false Iq...

I don't like the bashing of a person that you know nothing of other then the fact that they posted something that you alone had a problem with...

It would have been alot better if you had just not said what you said and could have prevented a flame war.

Hell you could have said nothing and think what you wish, because your opinion on the matter really means nothing because you have no power to do anything about it.

So really your post was pretty much pointless.

No I am not bashing you Iq, I am just defending a friend.

[poopdogg]

PEU and THEV=one person!!!!!!
thev
peu

look at their join dates and time

edit: im not sure 

[Kerrazyeye]

PEU and THEV=one person!!!!!!
thev
peu

look at their join dates and time

edit: im not sure 

I played with both of them at the same time on several occasions.....they are different people.

[Peu]

Lies. You own.

No, I'm definitely serious. I miss almost about 1/4 of my shots, and my skill with the other guns leaves something to be desired. Also, my aim outside TW is even worse because I rely on the predictability of gravity in TW.

Peu, here's my first impression when you posted this.

"Hey, My name is Peu, I'm going to teach you how to be as good as I am." and I thought: "What the feck does he know? Pompus idiot."

Well, That's not what I wrote, though the interpretation is certainly up to you. In fact, I think the title sums up what I talk about almost exactly: I posted all the tricks I use, and how to avoid it, which would, I hope, allow someone to beat me IF they once couldn't. I didn't mean it rhetorically, I meant it literally.

In terms of "What the feck does he know?" Well, the entire post is there to be read, and if you disagree on the effectiveness of the tricks I posted, then feel free (and I encourage it) to post counter arguments about what I do and don't know.

So what's your second impression?
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V, appreciate the post. It's always good playing with you because you ARE one of those clever people that are not only fun, but very interesting to play with. You adapt.

And yes, the only reason I'm posting this is so that the general population TW players would be more challenging. After all, I only play to have fun, and once the same tricks always work when the interesting players are offline, it's like playing in a zombie server.

Also, I don't get enough practice on how to counter my own tricks, so I don't get to see all their fallacies enough to improve them. I post this so that others will use these tricks against me so I can see the tricks' weaknesses, and so, improve them.

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poopdogg, I registered in 2006, as you can plainly see...

[poopdogg]

PEU and THEV=one person!!!!!!
thev
peu

look at their join dates and time

edit: im not sure 

I played with both of them at the same time on several occasions.....they are different people.

oh .. i thought they're the same.. coz in the words they're using

[Boots]

What the feck makes you so sure your good? I could take you. Everyone in BLAK could take you. Arrogant much?

Fuck off IQ, he imo is way way better then you, and has way more respect in TW.

[rumpel]

i laughed my ass off as i read the first post<xD

[STM1993]

Well... I don't care how ego this is, but I certainly can learn a little something from it, whether it is what you posted or some other thing

[BombSki]

so why didnt you join the gather yet?

[Commander Kitsune]

Aiming in TW isn't the hardest thing to do. The linear map style helps you judging shots and stuff. Start making some off screen, non-luck shots. The real challenge to aiming in TW is avoiding spray and other snipers, but even then. Half the time the other snipers can't shoot at all.

Rushing in TW is basically saying for your team "Ok I'll take out a few guys, then you go in and clean up". Thats not really considered a skill.

And you rely waaaay too much on the other person using the Barrett or semi autos.

[Peu]

Aiming in TW isn't the hardest thing to do. The linear map style helps you judging shots and stuff. Start making some off screen, non-luck shots. The real challenge to aiming in TW is avoiding spray and other snipers, but even then. Half the time the other snipers can't shoot at all.

Rushing in TW is basically saying for your team "Ok I'll take out a few guys, then you go in and clean up". Thats not really considered a skill.

And you rely waaaay too much on the other person using the Barrett or semi autos.

...As I said, my post has nothing really to do with aiming, or the difficulty of rushing for that matter. But, if what what you say is all you do when you rush, then I guess it really isn't a skill.


I don't rely on anyone using anything. I selected those tricks to talk about, because it's what mostly happens. I think you'll agree that TW has a whole lot of snipers? They're the people I most like to kill, because if they're good, it's hard to move in, and that's when it's fun. How could my post possibly even cover the whole of what happens in Trenchwar? No, I selected certain aspects, and talked about those.

[O.R.I.O.N.]

As a sniper, I can say, there are some maps I love, and some I hate. Every good map has a chosen few vantage points from which I can absolutely shut down the opposing team. One well-placed sniper can make or break a game, just as much as a good runner. Besides, mowing them down as they run up is just too much damn fun. Give me a Ruger and a Barrett, and I'm one major pain in your arse.

[Gortaak]

Trenchwar is so boring. I only play it to get a change of pace from fast action to slow nothing. But then I get bored of creeping around and Ill just rush super fast with my deagles and nade spam the piss out of people. Apparently TW people have never seen someone that rushes and kind of FREAK OUT and just stand still.

Morale of the story: Rush TW players, they dont know how to defeat rush's and nade spam. WIN!

[Peu]

Trenchwar is so boring. I only play it to get a change of pace from fast action to slow nothing. But then I get bored of creeping around and Ill just rush super fast with my deagles and nade spam the piss out of people. Apparently TW people have never seen someone that rushes and kind of FREAK OUT and just stand still.

Morale of the story: Rush TW players, they dont know how to defeat rush's and nade spam. WIN!

actually, people rush constantly in TW. I don't know what the hell you're talking about.

[TheV]

Obviously you have never played trenchwars... or atleast with anyone that is good...

If you rush at Peu with deagles, you will die...

Rushing is not just running in to the enemy, no that is what an idiot does.

Rushing is moving towards the enemy in a way were you can over take them and move your team up.

A good rusher, rushist which ever... keeps his self alive while removing the enemy from the bunker and or hold and get his team into a better position.

So If you just rush full speed into the enemy, chances are your going to die... alot.

[darkangel]

How to be incredibly arrogant on soldatforums:

answer----------->Now, a bit about me:
A. I'm fast
B. I rush
C. I'm patient
D. I can counter your spray
E. I learn your tricks almost instantly, even if I don't react to them.
thats the way of been the biggest Fecker ever o and arrogant

Date Posted: April 03, 2008, 04:19:48 pmand plz can someone RAP# this son of a Slu/ plz OWNHIM SO BAD FOR ME!!! own this guys  FOR GREAT  JUSTICE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Eclipse]

What the feck makes you so sure your good? I could take you. Everyone in BLAK could take you. Arrogant much?

feck off IQ, he imo is way way better then you, and has way more respect in TW.

And who has more respect globally? And IQ did have more respect in TW at once point at one stage.

[Gortaak]

No, actually rushing is moving as fast as you can to keep pressure on someone. And no, I dont play TW, its lame, stupid and boring. Interesting at times, but mostly boring. And I dont care who this guy is, I would rush him, and nade spam him. Wins every time.


Quit TW, play normal mode.

[Peu]

How to be incredibly arrogant on soldatforums:

answer----------->Now, a bit about me:
A. I'm fast
B. I rush
C. I'm patient
D. I can counter your spray
E. I learn your tricks almost instantly, even if I don't react to them.
thats the way of been the biggest Fecker ever o and arrogant

Date Posted: April 03, 2008, 04:19:48 pmand plz can someone RAP# this son of a Slu/ plz OWNHIM SO BAD FOR ME!!! own this guys  FOR GREAT  JUSTICE!!!!!!!!!!!!

well, if you're right, you're right. But if you want, I can defend every one of those points empirically. Now, how's this: Do you lack all of those traits?

Actually, this whole thing is weak. I didn't post this for people who know how to play well, I don't care about your statures, or your clans, and much less the respect of people who consider respect an asset. I don't care who knows you and who doesn't. None of you need to agree, or care about any damn thing in this thread and you're probably better off for it.

Arrogance? Here is the only arrogance you're getting out of me: Do you REALLY think I need YOU people to validate whatever skill I may or may not have? Nope, so, goodbye.

[darkangel]

 

Trenchwar is so boring. I only play it to get a change of pace from fast action to slow nothing. But then I get bored of creeping around and Ill just rush super fast with my deagles and nade spam the piss out of people. Apparently TW people have never seen someone that rushes and kind of FREAK OUT and just stand still.

Morale of the story: Rush TW players, they dont know how to defeat rush's and nade spam. WIN!

i agree with u gortak,and for u peu look kido if u wanna have a Real game  with  rly good players start playing standar Ctf in gathers THAT THE REAL DEAL dude, tw is just borin interesnting sometimes but is boring all the time just mp me man cause i rly want to play with ya to see if ur the god that u think u are.

Date Posted: April 04, 2008, 11:25:57 am

No, actually rushing is moving as fast as you can to keep pressure on someone. And no, I dont play TW, its lame, stupid and boring. Interesting at times, but mostly boring. And I dont care who this guy is, I would rush him, and nade spam him. Wins every time.


Quit TW, play normal mode.

OH and that too

[Flamingo]

tw is indeed borin interesnting

[Boots]

Trenchwar is so boring. I only play it to get a change of pace from fast action to slow nothing. But then I get bored of creeping around and Ill just rush super fast with my deagles and nade spam the piss out of people. Apparently TW people have never seen someone that rushes and kind of FREAK OUT and just stand still.

Morale of the story: Rush TW players, they dont know how to defeat rush's and nade spam. WIN!

i agree with u gortak,and for u peu look kido if u wanna have a Real game with rly good players start playing standar Ctf in gathers THAT THE REAL DEAL dude, tw is just borin interesnting sometimes but is boring all the time just mp me man cause i rly want to play with ya to see if ur the god that u think u are.

Date Posted: April 04, 2008, 11:25:57 am

No, actually rushing is moving as fast as you can to keep pressure on someone. And no, I dont play TW, its lame, stupid and boring. Interesting at times, but mostly boring. And I dont care who this guy is, I would rush him, and nade spam him. Wins every time.


Quit TW, play normal mode.

OH and that too

You just suck at it, thats why you don't play it.

Everyone has there own opinions, just because you dont like it doesnt mean everyone should quit it.

[Pie]

i agree with u gortak,and for u peu look kido if u wanna have a Real game  with  rly good players start playing standar Ctf in gathers THAT THE REAL DEAL dude, tw is just borin interesnting sometimes but is boring all the time just mp me man cause i rly want to play with ya to see if ur the god that u think u are.

You're such a tool.

CTF gathers are as silly as TW.
just because you joined a TW server and tried to jet as you jumped off a roof and died, then yelled "DOOD,TW is leik Gey, Sif U nubs would paly ti, grvty hax lololololol!!1!1!!"
Just because you fail at it doesn't make it bad.

Get a grip you wankers.

[Lord Frunkamunch]

You're such a tool.

Irrelevant.

CTF gathers are as silly as TW.

Illegitimate comparison.

just because you joined a TW server and tried to jet as you jumped off a roof and died, then yelled "DOOD,TW is leik Gey, Sif U nubs would paly ti, grvty hax lololololol!!1!1!!"

Assumption, straw man fallacy, overuse of leetspeak in a failed attempt at humor.

Just because you fail at it doesn't make it bad.

Assumption that his negative opinion is caused by a lack of skill without due reason.

Get a grip you wankers.

Innuendo. lol i maed a funy

Date Posted: April 04, 2008, 11:04:19 pm

words

talking like a prick lol

[Iq Unlimited]

^Trying to be logical and failing.

[Pie]

Frunkmunch is just cranky

[darkangel]

pie plz dude quit soldat for real ur only been a jerk talking about ur "skills" wich probably are nothing comparate with a pro tw player, any ways, if u want a real match ill be waiting ur MP since u already MP me 3 times to say stupi· s"it about me.

[Boots]

Wtf is MP, learn2grammer.

[Lord Frunkamunch]

CHOOSE YOUR OWN REPLY!


Amiable:

^Trying to be logical and failing.

I dunno, I think I pretty much nailed it with innuendo.


Logically argumentative:

^Trying to be logical and failing.

Show me how I failed at logic and I'll show you a part of my post you misunderstood.


Flamey:

FAIL

Just what the forums needs, more chanfags.

[Pie]

pie plz dude quit soldat for real ur only been a jerk talking about ur "skills" wich probably are nothing comparate with a pro tw player, any ways, if u want a real match ill be waiting ur MP since u already MP me 3 times to say stupi· s"it about me.

First of all,What?

Second of all, Since when did i ever brag about my "skillz"? All i ever did was point out your own ham handedness and lack of spelling.

Thirdly, If i wanted a "match" with a kid, i'd go down to my local primary school and duke it out with a 6 year old. Get a grip, I never Pm'd you about anything, you're pulling facts out of your arse.
Also, at least learn to spell, come on it can't be that hard.

Also, did i mention you're a douche and i've already seen you in countless R/S servers and in several CTF/inf servers. Coincidently, for all of those "skills" you say you have, they still don't help you out of last place.

Also, i might add, We should get back on topic.

[Ziem]

TW => public => rather low-skilled players => I don't play it =>. trenchwars sux

Whole topic is about someone with nick 'Peu' who's trying to show how pr0 he is...
... which results in flamewar.

MP

Mersonal Pessage?...

[Espadon]

MP

No, Mana/Magic Points. xD

Lookat you guys, bashing a subgame mode. Don't you all feel like big boys now?

[Peu]

Help, help! My ego's threatened. HELP! Ahaha. I love you guys.

[Eclipse]

MP

No, Mana/Magic Points. xD

Lookat you guys, bashing a subgame mode. Don't you all feel like big boys now?

Were are Bashing something small, to make us look big?

[SDFilm]

I thought to myself once "Maybe as they adapt, they'll counter my tricks and beat the bollocks out of me. I better be slick about it." Yeah, right. Like ten or so people actually react and adapt, and unless I'm playing with them, I'm probably bored.

So, I'm going to spell out here the majority of my tricks, so that you know what to expect, and hopefully, you'll react or something.

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As those of you who play against me have noticed, I REALLY like the Ruger. I think it is the most versatile weapon because:
A. It can kill in one headshot
B. Since it's only one shot, I only need a minimal amount of time with a line of sight
C. Mad range

Now, a bit about me:
A. I'm fast
B. I rush
C. I'm patient
D. I can counter your spray
E. I learn your tricks almost instantly, even if I don't react to them

Now, this should be a good start. So, here's how it goes.

If you know that I know that you're camping nearby, and I'm either in a trench or behind a door -any cover, really- know this: I will shoot you as soon as I can. I will NOT wait till I'm at the apex of my jump. The Ruger shoots about one shot every half a second. I'm going to shoot you as I'm coming out of the hole, as I'm at the apex, and as I'm falling. I will also be throwing a grenade as I'm doing this.
I already marked you when I say you, and I'm aiming at you while I'm in the hole. When I jump out, I just keep the aim in place and blow you to hell. NO.

If you want to help the community by giving helpful tips, either contribute to the Soldat Wiki or make a thread here that doesn't (weather you meant it to or not) just serve to massage your ego and makes you look like an arrogant twat.

That is all.

[darkangel]

ppl can i not be the forum noob anymore change me for peu plz!!!! lol and yeah my bad mp=pm sorry about that, but rly man not even the GOD`s of soldat  talk about theyr skills dude for rea.

[Boots]

But they give tips and tricks, don't they? ...

[Blue-ninja]

Why is this thread still alive? *facepalm*

[tehsnipah]

yo no juego TW, btw, that title really is kinda corny
is TW actually worth to play?

[El_Spec]

If you like realistic and slow-pace gameplay, then yes. 

[TheV]

Tw is anything but slow...

Actually tw is faster paced then normal ctf...

You just wouldn't know due to the fact that you don't play it.

[Boots]

If you like realistic and slow-pace gameplay, then yes.

Tw is anything but slow...

Actually tw is faster paced then normal ctf...

You just wouldn't know due to the fact that you don't play it.

V pretty much summed it up.

[El_Spec]

I play TW just as often as normal CTF.  How the hell is it faster than standard CTF?  With normal CTF, you have Jets, all the weapons enabled, and ability to rush, and several other tactics.  In TW, the fastest you can move is bunny-hop and with a little help of Spas-12 boosting.  And in standard CTF, the flag is always captured and you have to help protect the FFC, in TW, it's extremely difficult to capture the flag and that's the reason why a script has to be used to determine the score.  Your statement is totally invalid.

[darkangel]

Tw is anything but slow...

Actually tw is faster paced then normal ctf...

You just wouldn't know due to the fact that you don't play it.

ban ur self plz

[O.R.I.O.N.]

I'm with El_Spec. Trenchwar maps are designed to be hard as hell to traverse, and you'll encounter a load of choke points and camp spots that a smart defender can use. I can say from personal experience that a good sniper with a good spot can hold back the entire opposing team for minutes at a time on his own. No, trenchwar isn't fast. And people like me see to that.

[Peu]

If you want to help the community by giving helpful tips, either contribute to the Soldat Wiki or make a thread here that doesn't (weather you meant it to or not) just serve to massage your ego and makes you look like an arrogant twat.

That is all.

Your reading disposition (or maybe comprehension) needs some work. Why would I post on a wiki when I obviously posted on a *forum*?

Well, I thought this thread would be dead by, say, Friday, but apparently, you all just CAN'T resist a good flaming. So I post this in the forum, you know, for discussion, and instead I am called arrogant. Which is fine, really. I can plainly see how many of you would see the first post as arrogant, helpless as you are at maintaining your self esteem.

However, Imagine the curious thing that happen where I make a thread about Trenchwar, and every idiot who neither likes Trenchwar, nor plays it regularly responds instead, failing to address anything in my post except my own assessment of my skills (deemed arrogant.) Really? I mean... REALLY? You don't have anything better to do? Like, say, discuss the actual strategy and whether or not it works like our faux-helpful friend SDFilm who's clout is bigger than his mouth? Or maybe, say, talk about things that actually interest you? (I don't mean the flaming)

First, I said this:

Now, a bit about me:
A. I'm fast
B. I rush
C. I'm patient
D. I can counter your spray
E. I learn your tricks almost instantly, even if I don't react to them

Which I assume is the part you thought was most arrogant. This is the best part of this thread -that you couldn't get past this- because (and I repeat myself) well, are you telling me you don't have ANY of these traits, if not all? You modest people you... points A, and B, everyone here said that they are capable of and do so constantly, C went unabated and D I hope everyone who insulted me can do (for the sake of all that is good) and E... well... fool me once... if you all get fooled twice, well, shame.

After I introduced that series of qualifiers which are the factors that influence everything else I talked about, I went on and talked about everything else. And it got on your NERVE that I did so in the first person didn't it? Well, I'm glad it did, because this has been the funniest, most hypocritical thread I've seen in a long line of idiotic internet discussions.

Anyway, it WAS in first person, and the strategy of every situation I spoke of succeeded. GET OVER IT. Why would I put forth arguments for tactics that fail? Well, I didn't, and instead, I put what I put,  which as I said, most of you didn't care to address, which, as I said, was the whole point. Oh well.

Sure, I could have written the entire post in a very simplistic manner, full of hypotheticals, and speaking of the third person gostek and not the first person I. But I like to have fun when I write, and having to write a whole lot, that gets incredibly boring. So I wrote it as I did.

Considering that most everything I originally posted about is pretty much common sense, I thought it was OBVIOUSLY DIRECTED AT BEGINNING PLAYERS. Especially since most of the strategies are reactive, and only like, two, are proactive, and even fewer are uncommon.

I thought that the obviousness that this was more for BEGINNERS reached it's peak when, like, 5 people posted that not only they could take me (based on my text), but that they were familiar with many of the strategies and thought they were easy. I was happy at that point because I thought "Heeeey, good. There ARE people who know what they're doing, maybe they'll say something useful." Hardly. No, that was the bandwagon call and you all jumped on. Congratulations, gentlemen, you won the internet.

And now when I thought everything was SURELY over, you're all arguing over whether or not Trenchwar is either fun or fast paced... WHO the hell gives a flying.. anything? You don't think it's fun?  Fantastic, go play whatever it is that you play. The only person who even made any arguments for or against his or her position was El_Spec. Good job, even if your argument doesn't support your conclusion. (not because they were poor, but because logical arguments fail at subjective assessment.)

My take on TW is this: It's not fast paced all the time, it's a lot like sex. There's a buildup as you run to the forward position, a culmination of events as the pieces are moved, and the final explosion as everything clashes. We don't play for the foreplay, mind you, that just makes the encounter with the enemy that much more satisfying. Trenchwar is about semi-predictability: that enemies take about x amount of time to reach your position from spawn; and that troop advancement is based on that timing, and that unlike TTW (which I find dull) it is fear, doubt, and misconception that often throws an enemy back a bunker, not a single unit who takes bunkers; that running speeds matter in the most basic form of strategy; that it IS horizontal because you are supposed to be easy to hit, which is why there are foxholes, which is why you should keep your head down to avoid sniper/law/anything spray; that gravity adds significance to height.

You don't have to agree, just... say something meaningful and with actual arguments.

Date Posted: April 07, 2008, 01:58:54 pmEl_Spec, I misread your post and I take back what I said about your conclusion. I thought you were talking to someone else about something else. My apologies.

[darkangel]

My take on TW is this: It's not fast paced all the time, it's a lot like sex.

mmm wut? who compared sex with a shooting game...?
if new players want "tips" on how to defeat a good player, they are going to ask. so plz dont post ever again something like a book  for dummys to defeat good players.
3erd there is nothing more effective than experience over a large post on how to do something.

First, I said this:

Now, a bit about me:
A. I'm fast
B. I rush
C. I'm patient
D. I can counter your spray
E. I learn your tricks almost instantly, even if I don't react to them

Which I assume is the part you thought was most arrogant. This is the best part of this thread.
...rly? why do u say that? arrogant...NO WAY!!!.

[decoy.]

Trench Wars are among my favorite type of matches. Sadly I don't get enough time into them and my aim is not always on point, as noted by the uncomfortable positioning of my mouse and my having to get reacquainted with soldat in general. Several months is a while for me to not play. Now although I won't recall much of what you said, I will remember the name. Or at least I'm likely to recall it better than what you have said. My fault...memory issues.

As the user member name indicates, I purposely play as the decoy (sometimes under the name decoy) weather my team mates are fully aware of it or not and knowing the possible risk of being killed. However, other times, I use my team mates as decoys (weather they know it or not) and filters to see what to expect up ahead. Minimal spray allows me to sometimes properly estimate where to send shots towards, even if it is with the use of a ruger (against those who waste shots with it, seemingly).

By habit, I rush and creep, making use of sound for an idea of who is where or even using the faint rhythm of an automatic to tell what dog fight is occurring from where. I make use of an m79 to displace enemies not properly grounded, leaving either me or my team mates room to pass on or escape. It also helps me propell myself skyward if I seek to attack from the air in one hit without the sound of jets going off from above. However, I am not strongest when a solitary. Given that my intended tactics don't properly coordinate themselves to its execution, I am always up for a challenge against (or with) someone better to better myself.

Nice to meet you. I'm Not Batman! or Decoy.

[Peu]

My take on TW is this: It's not fast paced all the time, it's a lot like sex.

mmm wut? who compared sex with a shooting game...?
if new players want "tips" on how to defeat a good player, they are going to ask. so plz dont post ever again something like a book  for dummys to defeat good players.
3erd there is nothing more effective than experience over a large post on how to do something.

First, I said this:

Now, a bit about me:
A. I'm fast
B. I rush
C. I'm patient
D. I can counter your spray
E. I learn your tricks almost instantly, even if I don't react to them

Which I assume is the part you thought was most arrogant. This is the best part of this thread.
...rly? why do u say that? arrogant...NO WAY!!!.

Well, I'm comparing sex to a shooting game because, that's what comparisons are for... Obviously... I could have also compared it to, say, the NASA shuttle program, which would have been an almost identical comparison. (selective as comparisons tend to be)

Your assumptions, much like your spelling and reading comprehension, are pathetic. If no one wanted to read this thread, they could have say, skipped over it, not responded, and it would have died quickly, but your idiotic idea to respond kept it alive and kicking. Thank you, I guess, however useless it was.

"3erd" [actually written 3rd] "there is nothing more effective than experience over a large post on how to do something."

A most prized observation. As I stated, with emphasis, twice, on my last post. It's for beginning players. And what do beginning players lack....? I'll let you figure this one out on your own.

Again, you demonstrate how incapable you are at simple tasks: I asked if that was the MOST arrogant part, a subtle difference which I reiterated simply for the sake of specificity: so that we were all talking about the same thing, and so that I could address the issue directly.
---And then you have the NERVE to take the next line out of context and butcher it with a period.

No wonder you're the forum noob.

Date Posted: April 07, 2008, 04:30:59 pmDecoy, it seems you'd be interesting to play with, or against.

[decoy.]

I play TW just as often as normal CTF. How the hell is it faster than standard CTF? With normal CTF, you have Jets, all the weapons enabled, and ability to rush, and several other tactics. In TW, the fastest you can move is bunny-hop and with a little help of Spas-12 boosting. And in standard CTF, the flag is always captured and you have to help protect the FFC, in TW, it's extremely difficult to capture the flag and that's the reason why a script has to be used to determine the score. Your statement is totally invalid.

I'm with El_Spec. Trenchwar maps are designed to be hard as hell to traverse, and you'll encounter a load of choke points and camp spots that a smart defender can use. I can say from personal experience that a good sniper with a good spot can hold back the entire opposing team for minutes at a time on his own. No, trenchwar isn't fast. And people like me see to that.

And with things mentioned here, these are why I like TW over regular CTF, although I play the regular quite often. You can take advantage of much but you can also be taken advantage of as well, intelligibly. Or as evident as I've seen.

But I haven't been playing as consistant as others.

Date Posted: April 07, 2008, 04:35:14 pmYet I can't always grantee a peak performance Peu.

[Peu]

I don't think anyone can. Just trying different maneuvers and ideas is fun enough.

[TradeMAAK]

wow, Peu. You are so good. I bet you can get any girl you want now.

[SDFilm]

Your reading disposition (or maybe comprehension) needs some work. Why would I post on a wiki when I obviously posted on a *forum*?

Because that's what it's there for? While it's not against the forum rules to post long definitive advise threads, it could be obsolete unless you have something original to give; so you might as well post this in the wiki too if this is good advice. Not that any and all advise must go to the wiki, but why pretend to be definitive when there is already a definitive piece? Anyway, this is a minor point, as there have been other advice threads here and good ones at that.

Well, I thought this thread would be dead by, say, Friday, but apparently, you all just CAN'T resist a good flaming. So I post this in the forum, you know, for discussion, and instead I am called arrogant. Which is fine, really. I can plainly see how many of you would see the first post as arrogant, helpless as you are at maintaining your self esteem.

However, Imagine the curious thing that happen where I make a thread about Trenchwar, and every idiot who neither likes Trenchwar, nor plays it regularly responds instead, failing to address anything in my post except my own assessment of my skills (deemed arrogant.) Really? I mean... REALLY? You don't have anything better to do? Like, say, discuss the actual strategy and whether or not it works like our faux-helpful friend SDFilm who's clout is bigger than his mouth? Or maybe, say, talk about things that actually interest you? (I don't mean the flaming)

First, I said this:

Now, a bit about me:
A. I'm fast
B. I rush
C. I'm patient
D. I can counter your spray
E. I learn your tricks almost instantly, even if I don't react to them

Which I assume is the part you thought was most arrogant. This is the best part of this thread -that you couldn't get past this- because (and I repeat myself) well, are you telling me you don't have ANY of these traits, if not all? You modest people you... points A, and B, everyone here said that they are capable of and do so constantly, C went unabated and D I hope everyone who insulted me can do (for the sake of all that is good) and E... well... fool me once... if you all get fooled twice, well, shame.

After I introduced that series of qualifiers which are the factors that influence everything else I talked about, I went on and talked about everything else. And it got on your NERVE that I did so in the first person didn't it? Well, I'm glad it did, because this has been the funniest, most hypocritical thread I've seen in a long line of idiotic internet discussions.

Anyway, it WAS in first person, and the strategy of every situation I spoke of succeeded. GET OVER IT. Why would I put forth arguments for tactics that fail? Well, I didn't, and instead, I put what I put,  which as I said, most of you didn't care to address, which, as I said, was the whole point. Oh well.

Sure, I could have written the entire post in a very simplistic manner, full of hypotheticals, and speaking of the third person gostek and not the first person I. But I like to have fun when I write, and having to write a whole lot, that gets incredibly boring. So I wrote it as I did.

Considering that most everything I originally posted about is pretty much common sense, I thought it was OBVIOUSLY DIRECTED AT BEGINNING PLAYERS. Especially since most of the strategies are reactive, and only like, two, are proactive, and even fewer are uncommon.

I thought that the obviousness that this was more for BEGINNERS reached it's peak when, like, 5 people posted that not only they could take me (based on my text), but that they were familiar with many of the strategies and thought they were easy. I was happy at that point because I thought "Heeeey, good. There ARE people who know what they're doing, maybe they'll say something useful." Hardly. No, that was the bandwagon call and you all jumped on. Congratulations, gentlemen, you won the internet.

Discussing strategy is fine, but it's hard to take the OP seriously when it comes across (wheter you meant it to or not) as 'Look at me massage my ego, damn I'm so good, you need a whole thread dedicated to defeating me.' Even if it is for beginners, it still comes across as awfully big-headed, despite you explaining some good tactics for TW.

It's not just that you made it 1st-person, it's that you assuming that you will beat them, it's quite confrontational and saying to people 'I think I can't be beaten, now prove me wrong!', which was why you got those people saying they could take you, even though I'm sure that having 1v1 matches with random forum members was not the purpose of this thread.

Now hopefully your readers could just read the advice you gave without giving a feck if the writer is/looks arrogant, but others will.

Take this tutorial for example; it is confrontational and big-headed but the poster isn't serious, where as you are (though granted, not giving the kind of abuse that Sergent Perp is). It's also very funny and useful, so people like to read it instead of just flame it.

Just giving ya some advice so that you can have a larger and more peaceful readership.

[BondJamesBond]

wow, Peu. You are so good. I bet you can get any girl you want now.

Why did that just make this topic so awesome?

[V Commander]

Lies. You own.

No, I'm definitely serious. I miss almost about 1/4 of my shots, and my skill with the other guns leaves something to be desired. Also, my aim outside TW is even worse because I rely on the predictability of gravity in TW.

Peu, here's my first impression when you posted this.

"Hey, My name is Peu, I'm going to teach you how to be as good as I am." and I thought: "What the feck does he know? Pompus idiot."

Well, That's not what I wrote, though the interpretation is certainly up to you. In fact, I think the title sums up what I talk about almost exactly: I posted all the tricks I use, and how to avoid it, which would, I hope, allow someone to beat me IF they once couldn't. I didn't mean it rhetorically, I meant it literally.

In terms of "What the feck does he know?" Well, the entire post is there to be read, and if you disagree on the effectiveness of the tricks I posted, then feel free (and I encourage it) to post counter arguments about what I do and don't know.

So what's your second impression?
----

V, appreciate the post. It's always good playing with you because you ARE one of those clever people that are not only fun, but very interesting to play with. You adapt.

And yes, the only reason I'm posting this is so that the general population TW players would be more challenging. After all, I only play to have fun, and once the same tricks always work when the interesting players are offline, it's like playing in a zombie server.

Also, I don't get enough practice on how to counter my own tricks, so I don't get to see all their fallacies enough to improve them. I post this so that others will use these tricks against me so I can see the tricks' weaknesses, and so, improve them.

---
poopdogg, I registered in 2006, as you can plainly see...

Hey Peu... You got the wrong V... >>
And yea you seam to get even better as time goes but you still fall for my traps from time to time and my mad luck when I have it. XD

[Peu]

SDFilm

I've said already that I misjudged the effects of the post, and I said that it was fine. I also explained to whom I was directing the post, after which it was still flamed in the same manner. I realized plenty that the style would cause confrontation, I just didn't expect it to be blindly so. I suppose I should have. But, I enjoyed writing as I did for the fun of it, and it's still worth it.

And your wording 'Look at me massage my ego, damn I'm so good, you need a whole thread dedicated to defeating me.' Well. I already explained how I wrote in first person as opposed to third as a mere stylistic preference, as many people employ similar tactics. So the difference is superfluous and merely rhetorical, which I clearly ignored. The only real difference is that my post was blatantly so, as opposed to a covertly.
As I said, I'm fine with all this, and far as I'm concerned, this topic should be locked and throw out, as it's already limited use has disappeared.

Also, thank you for you much more humane response this time around. But I don't feel like rewriting it, whether it was useful or not.


Yeah, TradeMAAK a headshot for a headshot...


V Commander, I know. Damn you. But how did I get the wrong V? There are two, are there not?

[V Commander]

Actually there's been a high increase on V's around.. >>
Haven't you noticed on the TW servers? Not only there but much of the other servers however. I claim bids on the nick V since I had it before the movie even came out ..>>
XD
 
Have a good one guys and yea at the beginning it did sound like you were acting like an ego maniac yet not many people go to TW servers so I guess its not your fault they don't know, or see you around much. So Anyone watching this I would like to ask you guys to check the TW servers atleast once in a while and see for yourself.
-V

[TheV]

...

I had the name V in 2004 >.>

back off.

Its mine...

and there are 3 tw V's.

"V|Solo"(me), "V commander", and "V."

>.>

[darkangel]

wow, Peu. You are so good. I bet you can get any girl you want now.

agree

[Peu]

wow, Peu. You are so good. I bet you can get any girl you want now.

agree

3erded

[SilverTalon]

If you rush at Peu with deagles, you will die...

I beg to differ V.

[Boots]

wow, Peu. You are so good. I bet you can get any girl you want now.

agree

Soam, and im pretty sure no one cares..

If you rush at Peu with deagles, you will die...

I beg to differ V.

Maybe, but really depends if your vs'in a really good DEagle user.

[Lone-Wolf]

Now now girls, be nice or I'll spank you. 

What ??

Lies. Only females are emo enough to argue about stuff that don't matter.

[Pie]

Lies. Only females are emo enough to argue about stuff that don't matter.

I hope you are joking...

I mean, Look at Thinkto. Emo much?

[tehsnipah]

Lies. Only females are emo enough to argue about stuff that don't matter.

I hope you are joking...

I mean, Look at Thinkto. Emo much?

damn pie, do you really have to put people as an example? i mean it does make sense..... but don't hurt other people's feeling (getting ready to get flamed by Pie and others)

[Lord Frunkamunch]

FECK YOU SNIPAH WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU I HOPE YOU AND YOUR BOYFRIEND DIE IN A FIRE SCREAMING AND PISSING YOURSELVES.


Disclaimer: If the above post looks too stupid to be serious, chances are that's the case.


*edit* I get the feeling that either LW is being even less serious than me or he's never met a girl in his life. I can never tell with him.

[tehsnipah]

FECK YOU SNIPAH WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU I HOPE YOU AND YOUR BOYFRIEND DIE IN A FIRE SCREAMING AND PISSING YOURSELVES.


Disclaimer: If the above post looks too stupid to be serious, chances are that's the case.


*edit* I get the feeling that either LW is being even less serious than me or he's never met a girl in his life. I can never tell with him.

OH NOES THE FLAMING! AND I DON'T HAVE A BOY FRIEND! I GOT A GIRLFRIEND!
[on topic] tried TW, and it really is a wierd gameplay....

[V Commander]

Thats cuz TW is mainly about teamwork. If you are more of a loner then your pretty much screwed.

[Thinkto urself]

FECK YOU SNIPAH WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU I HOPE YOU AND YOUR BOYFRIEND DIE IN A FIRE SCREAMING AND PISSING YOURSELVES.


Disclaimer: If the above post looks too stupid to be serious, chances are that's the case.


*edit* I get the feeling that either LW is being even less serious than me or he's never met a girl in his life. I can never tell with him.

OH NOES THE FLAMING! AND I DON'T HAVE A BOY FRIEND! I GOT A GIRLFRIEND!
[on topic] tried TW, and it really is a wierd gameplay....

OH NOES YOU DO NOT REALIZE THAT WE WERE SCREWING WITH YOU WE KNOW YOU DONT HAVE A BOY FRIEND BUT LYING DOESN'T MAKE IT ANY BETTER DOESN'T IT SNIPAH

*Anyways*
Really weird game play? Meh, sure moving around at first is a challenge, since the maps don't have any jets, it's better for those guys who go work out in the climb servers once in a while.

[STM1993]

Whoa whoa whoa.

What's with all the ego these days?

[Lord Frunkamunch]

Read the rest of Peu's posts in the topic plzthxbai.

[Hundkeex]

This should be made into a book. "Beating Peu for dummies"

[rumpel]

instead of having sex with ur ego you all should open soldat and play tw <_>

[O.R.I.O.N.]

instead of having sex with ur ego you all should open soldat and play tw <_>

...no comment.

I really don't think that this thread had a tangible purpose to begin with.

[CanadianCheese]

Peu Just to let you know, I am practicing my ruger skills, I will pawn you... Some day!

[inurro]

peu, about your E. statement: I think that is the only part of your post that seems really arrogant

Date Posted: June 28, 2008, 06:15:44 pm

If you rush at Peu with deagles, you will die...

Just caught my eye....You should fix it: You will die 99% of the time (I've seen Talon get lucky with deags on peu a few times)

Date Posted: June 28, 2008, 06:24:24 pm

I'm with El_Spec. Trenchwar maps are designed to be hard as hell to traverse, and you'll encounter a load of choke points and camp spots that a smart defender can use. I can say from personal experience that a good sniper with a good spot can hold back the entire opposing team for minutes at a time on his own. No, trenchwar isn't fast. And people like me see to that.

Most of the times it's slow as hell (there will be multiple snipers and a camping auto on one team in a bunker let's say) or other times we can have both teams full of rushers, in which case scores shoot up to the 70's (without caps) and it's pretty fun But another note, TW maps become quite easy to move on once you've played them a few times and learn where to jump/hop or w/e.

[T101]

Hmm must intensively read on how to beat Peu...

Muahahahhahah


On another note... I never like backflipping when using ruger... I just like jumping since i can shoot while jumping but when flipping, i have less chances to shoot. (then again, i just practiced ruger to get better at jump sniping... >.>)

[Boots]

This topic did so not need a bump..

[Hair|Trigger]

Notice its always the -10 posters who bump topics : |

[Platehead]

or theSTAT-----

[Mancer]

How to be incredibly arrogant on soldatforums:

Yeah man, you're pretty fucking cocky. Not saying you arent good cause I havent played with you but christ man... no need to suck your own dick in version fuckin' 1.4.2 of soldat. Pro's are dead. I only remember 1.1.4.