sean bell's killers got cleared

[a-4-year-old]

Only in the Misc. section.

[KorrupT MerC]

You believe you are being shot at, you are armed, your adrenaline is at its peak, who the hell wouldn't shoot? Excessive force maybe, but its as i said, when you feel your about to die, you basically go on 'auto-pilot'.

[Despair]

I agree it's understandable but it's excessive force, no matter what gun used 50 bullets cannot be justified ever(do not say WHAT ABOUT MACHINE GUN yes that's an exception)!

not really, like † said the 2-3 mags they went through were nothing. They were firing at a car.

Alright, let me clarify what I'm trying to say.
You are a cop, in the night and you suspect the person is going for arms. Common sense would dictate that you:
Shoot one mag, while you suspect you are under fire, you would actually check after a round(while taking cover ofc) that where the fire is actually coming from.

I'm not trying to say ALL COPS IN AMERICA are like this, but there are a great amount(probably a minority of them, but still like close to 1/3) who are too trigger happy, and this cannot be justified at all.

[a-4-year-old]

Despair what the hell are you talking about? You wouldn't know for sure you are under fire in this situation until a bullet comes close or actually does hit you. I would sure as hell try to never let that happen

[Despair]

Despair what the hell are you talking about? You wouldn't know for sure you are under fire in this situation until a bullet comes close or actually does hit you. I would sure as hell try to never let that happen

Yeah, but I'm just trying to say this shouldn't just GO AWAY and the cops should get at least a few years in prison.

[a-4-year-old]

Despair what the hell are you talking about? You wouldn't know for sure you are under fire in this situation until a bullet comes close or actually does hit you. I would sure as hell try to never let that happen

Yeah, but I'm just trying to say this shouldn't just GO AWAY and the cops should get at least a few years in prison.

For defending themselves from what was a threat? Hell no.

[Despair]

Despair what the hell are you talking about? You wouldn't know for sure you are under fire in this situation until a bullet comes close or actually does hit you. I would sure as hell try to never let that happen

Yeah, but I'm just trying to say this shouldn't just GO AWAY and the cops should get at least a few years in prison.

For defending themselves from what was a threat? Hell no.

a supposed threat, like I said, it's excessive force

anyways we aren't gonna get anywhere with this argument, so let's call a truce and acknowledge our opinions before this gets really repetitive

[a-4-year-old]

Despair what the hell are you talking about? You wouldn't know for sure you are under fire in this situation until a bullet comes close or actually does hit you. I would sure as hell try to never let that happen

Yeah, but I'm just trying to say this shouldn't just GO AWAY and the cops should get at least a few years in prison.

For defending themselves from what was a threat? Hell no.

a supposed threat, like I said, it's excessive force

Its the same thing.

We aren't getting anywhere because you are so fucking thick. It was never excessive force, not as long as they think they are in danger. Do you even know the meaning of excessive force?

[Despair]

Despair what the hell are you talking about? You wouldn't know for sure you are under fire in this situation until a bullet comes close or actually does hit you. I would sure as hell try to never let that happen

Yeah, but I'm just trying to say this shouldn't just GO AWAY and the cops should get at least a few years in prison.

For defending themselves from what was a threat? Hell no.

a supposed threat, like I said, it's excessive force

Its the same thing.

We aren't getting anywhere because you are so fecking thick. It was never excessive force, not as long as they think they are in danger. Do you even know the meaning of excessive force?

Yes, I do know the meaning of excessive force.
My meaning may differ to yours but here is what fits in with what I think:

EXCESSIVE FORCE - A law enforcement officer has the right to use such force as is reasonably necessary under the circumstances to make a lawful arrest. An unreasonable seizure occurs when a law enforcement officer uses excessive force in making a lawful arrest.

Whether force is reasonably necessary or excessive is measured by the force a reasonable and prudent law enforcement officer would use under the circumstances.

Now, do you think shooting 2-3 clips at one guy because of supposed danger to themselves is excessive? First the circumstances need to be defined:
1. The cops were in close range.
2. The suspects were in a car.
3. Somebody allegedly shouted, "Yo, get my gun" so the cops had reason to believe that there was a weapon.
4. These cops were undercover, so they were in more danger than usual(maybe adrenaline is higher?)

From what I have listed, yes the cops had good reason to try and close them down BUT that's only from what we can think hypothetically to be honest, the opinion from here is pretty much divided equally imo. Now onto the actual case(i wasn't really following this case, so i had to do a bit or research):
Sean bell was legally drunk at the time when he hit the unmarked police van, this again may have given police reason to believe again, they were in danger. But here's the thing; the officers never indentified themselves at the scene, so THIS gives the suspects fear of maybe a carjacking?(imagine if 3 guys come up to your car with guns, what would your reaction be)
The officers only identified themselves WHILE SHOOTING AT THE CAR only shouting "Police, Police".

I'll agree they should not have been convicted on murder, maybe even manslaughter. But in my opinion this has to be reckless endangerment.

[Captain Ben]

ok despair have fun getting shot instead of defending yourself

dammit now this is pissing me off
goddammit i get bashed by 12 black guys and "yeah whatever its a mugging"
i get 12 friends and bash a blacky and WHAM BAM THANK YOU MAM! HATECRIME

theres like black acheivement awards but god forbid a fucking white achievement awards fucking i swear to god blackies are always like BLAH BLAH BLAH PREJUDICE FUCKING WHAWHAWHA WE WANT EVERYTHING WE ARE VICTIMS OH HELL WE'RE ALWAYS THE VICTIMS
then if one gets arrested for stealing a tv or sniffing petrol or someshit OH ITS THE JUST THE WHITEBOYS BRINGING ME DOWN EVEN THOUGH THEY CAUGHT ME DOING IT

effing hypocrite double standards white people get shot in cars all the time
it's only different when a blacky'sm the one getting shot instead of doing the shooting

DAMMIT THANKS ALOT NOW I'LL BE TIRED AND PISSY TOMORROW THANKS

[Despair]

ok despair have fun getting shot instead of defending yourself

dammit now this is pissing me off
goddammit i get bashed by 12 black guys and "yeah whatever its a mugging"
i get 12 friends and bash a blacky and WHAM BAM THANK YOU MAM! HATECRIME

theres like black acheivement awards but god forbid a fecking white achievement awards fecking i swear to god blackies are always like BLAH BLAH BLAH PREJUDICE feckING WHAWHAWHA WE WANT EVERYTHING WE ARE VICTIMS OH HELL WE'RE ALWAYS THE VICTIMS
then if one gets arrested for stealing a tv or sniffing petrol or somebollocks OH ITS THE JUST THE WHITEBOYS BRINGING ME DOWN EVEN THOUGH THEY CAUGHT ME DOING IT

effing hypocrite double standards white people get shot in cars all the time
it's only different when a blacky'sm the one getting shot instead of doing the shooting

DAMMIT THANKS ALOT NOW I'LL BE TIRED AND PISSY TOMORROW THANKS

make a coherent argument instead of being racist
owait your australian you guys call people you treat like shit abbos and coons AM I COOL YET

[EnEsCe]

Despair.... Irony?

[Despair]

Despair.... Irony?

yeah but I wasn't really generalizing aussies, more to ben himself

I <3 australia

[FliesLikeABrick]

Lumping these guys in with the cops that do their job right isn't fair at all. Look at them like dumb people not bad cops.

I did not read the article, I don't know the facts, but I think Gram saying this is true regardless of what happened.

[KorrupT MerC]

But here's the thing; the officers never indentified themselves at the scene, so THIS gives the suspects fear of maybe a carjacking?(imagine if 3 guys come up to your car with guns, what would your reaction be)

A twist in the plot... the officers will probably get some type of charge/mark against them, as they did not handle the situation correctly, thats if this is true.

[Despair]

But here's the thing; the officers never indentified themselves at the scene, so THIS gives the suspects fear of maybe a carjacking?(imagine if 3 guys come up to your car with guns, what would your reaction be)

A twist in the plot... the officers will probably get some type of charge/mark against them, as they did not handle the situation correctly, thats if this is true.

they got acquitted......

Date Posted: April 26, 2008, 06:18:51 pmplus they never took the stand, their statements were read to the jury instead

[a-4-year-old]

SHOOTING A CAR WITH A NINE MM TAKES A LOT OF BULLETS TO HAVE ANY EFFECT. ONLY SHOOTING TWO OR THREE WOULD DO NOTHING DESPAIR.

[Captain Ben]

ok despair have fun getting shot instead of defending yourself

dammit now this is pissing me off
goddammit i get bashed by 12 black guys and "yeah whatever its a mugging"
i get 12 friends and bash a blacky and WHAM BAM THANK YOU MAM! HATECRIME

theres like black acheivement awards but god forbid a fecking white achievement awards fecking i swear to god blackies are always like BLAH BLAH BLAH PREJUDICE feckING WHAWHAWHA WE WANT EVERYTHING WE ARE VICTIMS OH HELL WE'RE ALWAYS THE VICTIMS
then if one gets arrested for stealing a tv or sniffing petrol or somebollocks OH ITS THE JUST THE WHITEBOYS BRINGING ME DOWN EVEN THOUGH THEY CAUGHT ME DOING IT

effing hypocrite double standards white people get shot in cars all the time
it's only different when a blacky'sm the one getting shot instead of doing the shooting

DAMMIT THANKS ALOT NOW I'LL BE TIRED AND PISSY TOMORROW THANKS

make a coherent argument instead of being racist
owait your australian you guys call people you treat like bollocks abbos and coons AM I COOL YET

you tell me not to be racist and then you get racist... atleast i know where i stand fool
AND PLEASE TELL ME where did i say abbo and coon? i only said "blacky" because i can't be fucked typing "black people" all the time

[Pie]

I've looked at the posts and I came to the conclusion that none of you are necessarily wrong.

Yes the police DID do as they were trained, In any situation where they think they are in inherent danger, they are instructed to shoot first and ask questions later, even in Australia. In fact I remember reading a newspaper article were an officer from somewhere was chasing a kid, around the age of 17-18 and almost killed him because the kid reached for something in his jacket, it was lucky the police officer missed, the kid was reaching for an inhaler. This goes to show that officers and all lawman are instructed to get the job done with minimal casualties, they won't risk their lives and their partners lives by second judging something, what if the man had of pulled a gun and killed one of the officers? What opinion would you of had?

I also see where Dis is coming from, yes, that amount of bullets seems unnecessary and the fact that it took four men and 50 rounds before they realised that the man was dead. Like someone mentioned, they had no idea that it was their men firing, it could of just as easily of been the man under fire, returning fire on the officers.

All in all this is one of those controversial circumstances where everyone is in the wrong.
The man shouldn't have tried to flee the seen, let alone act as if he had a concealed weapon.
Although the officers did their job, right down to the letter, they should of been more prepared for something like this. Remembering they in fact did the right thing.

I fail to see why you are all driving your points so hard, the information is there for everyone to make their own opinion on the matter. Dispair, you should not try so hard to force your own beliefs on someone else and vice versa. But I will admit that in trying to drive the point so far in, you've made yourself look stupid by being ignorant to the information given by countless over members on the subject, most with at least minimal knowledge on the topic, and some with extensive knowledge on it.
Let people form their own opinions.

[a-4-year-old]

I drive my point because certain people are so incredibly ignorant that it is enraging to read the stupid that is vomitted out of their keyboards.