MP5 [normal]

[a-4-year-old]

The MP5 kind of sucks. It is outclassed by the m79 and the spas 12. I rarely see anyone with the mp5, personally the last time I used it the first thing I thought was "Shit, I meant to pick desert eagles!"

I think they could just use more damage.

[jrgp]

I don't really agree with you about it being "outclassed" by the m79 and spaz. Depending on the skill of the player it can easily defeat those two weapons. It's as simple as keeping your distance and dodging at the right times.

But yeah, I wouldn't mind it if it got more damage, but only a tiny amount more.

[Ziem]

In 1.5 it's gonna be buffed a bit (+1 dmg and bink).

[Crib]

Mp5 isn't really hard to use, the bullets goes differently than other guns. If you keep useing it, you will get use to it. ;]

[a-4-year-old]

Mp5 isn't really hard to use, the bullets goes differently than other guns. If you keep useing it, you will get use to it. ;]

Yeah but it isn't very good.

[8th_account]

Maybe you're not very good?

[Kerrazyeye]

Its a steyr with less speed/range.

[a-4-year-old]

Maybe you're not very good?

Oh, so thats why nobody picks the mp5 over an m79 or spas? Because I'm allegedly not good? Obviously I am the common denominator here.

[tehsnipah]

let me guess, you just hold down the shoot button till the bullet runs out? if you burst like 5 shot at a time, it's a fearsome weapon. i've used that in one of the server, and it really was worth it. it even distracts barret users. 
 m79? don't even be afraid of it, if you're on the ground and the m79 (newb)'s gonna shoot at you, just jump and then shoot *SIMPLE!* 
 spas? as everyone says, keep a range from them, know your range and arc, and then you'll just rape him up his ass also.

[mar77a]

Maybe you're not very good?

Oh, so thats why nobody picks the mp5 over an m79 or spas? Because I'm allegedly not good? Obviously I am the common denominator here.

Define: nobody. And yes, it's obvious less people use the harder to master guns but that doesn't mean the gun needs a buff (take the spas or mp5 for instance).

[a-4-year-old]

In the few clanwars I tolerated, nobody ever used the mp5. It is very rare in pubs as well. Especially since the Steyr is for all practical purposes on most maps better than the mp5.

[mar77a]

that isn't completely true. two people in my clan use hk all the time. I see people using hk in small to mid size maps: from ash and nuubia to laos and ruins. besides, there are certified poonters with hk: lee, gigen, keiran, etc

maybe a small buff will do (like the current beta balance one) but it's certainly not a sucky weapon

[Bjarne Betjent]

It will be better in 1.5 though...

[BRADEN]

MP5 is VERY powerful, I get scores like 70 - 10 with it.

[InfS]

3 captures and 10 kills, 10 deaths

[Veritas]

maybe a small buff will do (like the current beta balance one) but it's certainly not a sucky weapon

This.

I alternate between the Spas and Mp5 depending on the situation. The Spas is not outright better.

[STM1993]

MP5's my favourite weapon, and a VERY powerful one. And in 1.5, it's gonna get a little more powerful.

The trick is basically getting ABOVE your opponent, keep moving, spray them down or fire in short bursts (depends on the distance between you and your enemy). Make use of the bullet arc. Don't try to engage your opponents from below them ; you're likely to fail.

MP5's rivals would be the Ruger (provided the user has good aim), DEs (when against a very good DE-user, you are very likely to lose), Spas and itself.

M79 is easy... as said above, keep moving, be as unpredictable as possible, stay in mid-range if you know their gun is loaded. Once they fire a shot and are reloading, rush in and finish the M79er off within 3 seconds.

For DEs, why I say its difficult is because they can kill you in 3 shots quite quickly, and they have VERY similar bullet speed and arc as the MP5. If you can hit the DE-user, chances are, the DE-user can also hit you.

For MP5, it is a showdown to see who is faster, who can aim better and who is at the upper hand at the beginning of the fight.

Spas is quite a tricky one to fight against due to its large spreading area and incredible damage, also capable of killing faster than a MP5 at close range. You'd have to stay a distance away, which can be a problem since MP5 is more of a close-ranged gun and the Spas can still do some damage. Treat the Spas like a M79 ; stay mid-range, but instead of rushing into the Spas-user when he's reloading, keep moving and shooting.

No, I don't know how to use a Spas well myself and I do have problems fighting a Spas-user myself, but I believe that's how you can fight against a Spas-user.

[JonWood007]

Maybe the Mp5 could use a slight boost. Not much though. It is still pretty solid. It is the least used auto for me though now. Only really use it on small maps.

[Magus86]

Hmm.. "nobody" uses the MP5, my ass. I use that more than any other gun in the game... MP5 is perfectly fine.

[Hair|Trigger]

I seriousley have no fucking idea how you people could possible notice these.. small things

it's like driving over a pebble in a humma and detecting the shock.

I find MP5 a good weap for deathmatch, but for some reason I do not have much success with it in CTF, maybe it's just me and my playing style.  Seriousley, I do not care for weapon changes in 1.5.0 as long as minigun is more useful. 

[Boots]

Mp5 is so easy to own m79'ers and spas's.


Just worm XD. And spam nades, oh and i like to use socom with it, just incase you dont take them out

[Bjarne Betjent]

Its an easy weapon to handle, but against good players with more powerfull guns, its almost worthless. So its should be a bit better imo.

[STM1993]

Hmm, for some reason I found the MP5 can actually be very effective against the Ruger once it enters close or even mid-range.

[Pragma]

The MP5 kind of sucks. It is outclassed by the m79 and the spas 12. I rarely see anyone with the mp5, personally the last time I used it the first thing I thought was "bollocks, I meant to pick desert eagles!"

I think they could just use more damage.

No offense intended here, but please tell me this is a troll, flame or a joke. 

The MP5 absolutely slays on maps with close quarters, where long range weapons like the ruger and barrett are ineffective.  CTF_Ash is a prime example of this.

As a strictly m79-only player, I frequently find myself in a constant deadlock with mp5 users.  If I land a hit, I win.  If I miss, or are late to the fight, or I catch their knife instead, I loose.  It's that simple.

As for adding more damage to the things, I'll have to disagree.  I've seen mp5 guys take down at least two people in a cartridge if they have good aim.  That's on par with just about all the other auto and semi-auto weapons.

[Ziem]

Current 1.5b changes which include dmg and bink boost are enough.

[STM1993]

I think the new 1.5 balance for DEs, MP5, AK, Ruger and Socom are perfect, and if the Minimi just gets a bink of -8 instead of -12 (+4 to bink) it'd also be perfect.

MP5's getting +1 damage and +2 bink, so its two changed stats: Damage 103 ; Bink -9. Which is good enough.

[Sir Jeremy]

I agree MP5 not my favourtie weapon, In My Opinion it sprays a bit too much, but it is good for close combat battles. but not so good for distance battles.  But I guess as I hear it's going to get souped up a bit pretty Cool.

[boer]

nah leave it alone please. Its a weapon for pro's! In our local servers, all the good guys use it all the time.

[Maek|]

mp5 is awesome wep right now, especially in R/S. I really commonly use it, it has high ROF and low recoil. It shouldnt be changed..

[TheRedFlag]

My saying on M79s stands: 'noobs use noob weapons'.

As for Spas, if you're trying to get up close and personal with the thing, you're dumb. Also, certain weapons counter other weapons rather effectively. You don't see Barret users wanting a faster cooldown time because people kill them while they wait with automatic weaponry, right?

I like mp5, one of my fav weapons and it is easily underestimated. Have you seen the damage on it? It outdamages the Steyr and Minimi!

[STM1993]

I like mp5, one of my fav weapons and it is easily underestimated. Have you seen the damage on it? It outdamages the Steyr and Minimi!

Having used the MP5 before, it's an excellent weapon, just that not enough people use it and it is often easily outmatched by the Aug, which is being nerfed.

MP5's getting a slight buff (+1 damage and -9 bink instead of -11). Well, I'm going to support that buff, because in case no one realizes in the Spas thread, ALL WEAPONS ARE GOING TO HAVE REDUCED BULLET PUSH, not just the Spas or Aug. One of MP5's true power comes with its high RoF and this also allows it to push enemies. Now with reduced bullet push, it's probably not able to push enemies as well as it used to. It's gonna have those buffs to make up for it, at least for now.

No one knows what the bullet push is probably gonna be, its about 50-80% of the original. We're gonna have a beta test for 1.5 soon, but don't ask when exactly, as it is always the standard answer of "When it's ready". Read the news.

[lubbersm]

I dont agree, i use the mp5 pretty much because it has a steady aim compared to the steyr AUG.
It also has a quick reload. I think that it owns harder then the steyr

[Ziem]

I dont agree, i use the mp5 pretty much because it has a steady aim compared to the steyr AUG.
It also has a quick reload. I think that it owns harder then the steyr

Lol I fell like posting this for a millionth time : have you ever played a gather/cw?

[lubbersm]

The mp5 has a typically steady aim. so you can own a sniper(barret or ruger) with it easy.
:d

[cunchy]

AUG's aim > Mp5 Aim FYI. The Mp5 bullets basically "sprays" everywhere compared to an AUG.

[STM1993]

AUG's aim > Mp5 Aim FYI. The Mp5 bullets basically "sprays" everywhere compared to an AUG.

Well, the reason why people say MP5 is more accurate than Aug:

MP5 has movementacc 1, bink -11. Aug's is movementacc 2, bink -22. Furthermore, it is known that the Aug has this very weird bug which will be fixed in future, where ONLY the first shot is accurate ; any other shots after the first will shoot at a slightly upward angle. That's why some people say that the MP5 is more accurate.



I think people are also mixing bullet speed with accuracy. I'll make another thread regarding this.

EDIT:
Over here
http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=28126.0

[Ziem]

STM1993 - In Steyr's case bink isn't a real factor... it can be easily controlled.
And I hope it's "bug" won't be removed, it actually increases it's accuracy (+I got used to it through these years )

Also, mp5 is *just* inaccurate (unless you're proning or crouching, then it's acc is amaizingly good) and Steyr isn't.
Bullet speed is also very important.

[cunchy]

I think its the firerate of the mp5 which makes it inaccurate.

[Xagonix]

I think MP5 is only good depending on the map.

It's a great weapon going in short to medium ranged combat. It sprays fast and has a quick reload.

The AK and AUG are medium to long range weapons, so it depends on the situation on what kind of spray you want to use.

[Gnoblar]

I use the MP5 extensively, it's the only gun I use other than the AK, no other gun suits my gameplay style. I love it, but a dmg boost will be great. Out of the automatics, the MP-5 does a lot of damage (103 I think) but the bullets are slow and it is hard to get the angle right, but once you have the hang of the angle, you can nail an opponent easy! The bullet-spray also allows you to aim at their general direction, and not miss. In realistic servers, the MP-5 Shines. Not too much recoil, lot's of bink, but fast fire-rate and quick reload. Good weapon coupled with nade spamming.

[STM1993]

Out of the automatics, the MP-5 does a lot of damage (103 I think)

Errm... actually...

http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=26975.0

^ Take a look at this thread.

Actually, you cannot just take a look at the damage at the weapon.ini... you have to consider the bullet speed. The MP5 is rivaling the Aug in terms of damage ; at a longer distance the Aug has more damage per shot, at a shorter distance the MP5 can do more damage per shot.



Anyway, the MP5 and AK are my two favourite autos. The MP5 is really good if you know how to master its bullet angle (which is very similar to that of DEs) and how to use it. As Gnoblar said, it is not bad for spraying in a general direction. I find that the MP5 is particularly strong in Air vs Ground situations. It is basically one of the fastest guns in Soldat ; use its speed to your advantage (fast reload + fast firing rate, basically an automatic version of Socom).

[BLANK]

, why would anyone say something so silly about the mp5
its probably my favourite weapon and can defeat spas and m79 with ease if used well
mp5 ftw

[Gnoblar]

Actually, you cannot just take a look at the damage at the weapon.ini... you have to consider the bullet speed. The MP5 is rivaling the Aug in terms of damage ; at a longer distance the Aug has more damage per shot, at a shorter distance the MP5 can do more damage per shot.

True, but the steyr's bullets shoot at a weird angle after about 10 continuous shots, it's crazy! The MP-5 is uber-powerful when you are at a height advantage, so always go topside if you have the MP-5.

[STM1993]

True, but the steyr's bullets shoot at a weird angle after about 10 continuous shots, it's crazy! The MP-5 is uber-powerful when you are at a height advantage, so always go topside if you have the MP-5.

Weird angle? Actually, the steyr aug fires at weird angles after the 1st shot ; it would fire slightly upward. Then like all other autos, self-bink will take effect after the 4th shot. As far as I understand about the Aug, you have to fire in short bursts, which is how aug-users control their weapon so well, making it one of the most accurate autos in Soldat.

Yes, it's true MP5 has the air vs ground advantage, as I said in my previous post. But beware of who you are fighting against. If you're using a MP5 in the air and fighting against a Ruger on the ground, you WILL lose given that the Ruger is at least slightly less skilled than the MP5-user. If you're fighting a Spas, make sure you kill the Spas-user before you reach the range where the Spas can kill in 2 or 3 shots.

[adam01526]

My saying on M79s stands: 'noobs use noob weapons'.

As for Spas, if you're trying to get up close and personal with the thing, you're dumb. Also, certain weapons counter other weapons rather effectively. You don't see Barret users wanting a faster cooldown time because people kill them while they wait with automatic weaponry, right?

I like mp5, one of my fav weapons and it is easily underestimated. Have you seen the damage on it? It outdamages the Steyr and Minimi!

m79 is not a noob weapon! i agree that a lot of people who use m79's are noobs but there are some people that are very skilled with it. it is a hard weapon to use because if you miss you have a big reload time.

[bloodzcape]

I use to use M79 and chainsaw but now i mp5 and combat knife,the mp5 is very good if u know how to shoot it ..most people will probably spray and pray wen ur meant to burstfire.

[excruciator]

I find it quite efficient, but on contrary to what BCape stated, I do not burst with that puppy.

[Kerrazyeye]

I retract my statement from the first page....since ive started using it religiously, its a pretty damn good gun... (on realistic anyway)

[bloodzcape]

im just trying to find out whats the best way to use it :S when im alwys 1 v 1 mp5 matching i get pwned  :S

[excruciator]

Its either the aim, or the nade. Either way, bursting does not make it much more efficient.

[bloodzcape]

what do you mean "nade"??

[-Zombie-]

Nade = Grenade = = google images

[Platehead]

MP5 is obviously not as good for open spaces, in enclosed areas, I tend to air-prone for funnily straight bullets

[bloodzcape]

zombie nice sence of humour i no wt it is rofl i wnted to know wt did he mean nade liek nade after mp5 use or what?

[excruciator]

fire three - five rounds, then throw a nade at the guy. Usually result in instakill. Classic CTF tactic.
It doesn't mean that you can't go for all aim .Respect for whoever that do but you have to be really really good at aiming.

[bloodzcape]

thanxx alot excru, ur helping me out alot

[Platehead]

Mmhmm, grenading sometimes screws your aim up
What I do is while throwing the nade, start holding on your mouse button and aiming so that once your nade hits you begin shooting right

[bloodzcape]

so u mean chuck a nade or two then u just spray phsyco

[-Zombie-]

so u mean chuck a nade or two then u just spray phsyco

Throw a nade at your target, then straight after that shoot at the target (I'm pretty sure that's what he meant). It's not that hard, unless you don't know what buttons to press...

[STM1993]

No one can really teach you how to use a MP5. But all I can tell you is that the MP5:



1. Has low damage per shot (consider its low bullet speed, if the enemy is too far, the Steyr Aug's damage per shot is higher)

2. However, it has a very high damage per second, due to its incredibly fast firing rate.

3. It has generally low self-bink and, in realistic, low recoil. This makes the MP5 very easily controllable. You don't really need to fire in bursts, because you shouldn't be shooting enemies from such a long distance away. Besides, its self-bink is low enough.

4. A very fast reload. One of the fastest amongst the primary weapons.

5. Remember, due to low bullet speed, it has SHORT RANGE (it's very bad for chasing running opponents) and a very obvious bullet arc.

6. Use the bullet arc to your advantage in terrain.



For autos, the general tactic is to shoot, throw a nade, shoot, OR keep shooting while throwing a nade.

[bloodzcape]

stm kk thanks alot you preety muich covered all the facts about the gun and alot of people are teling me about the curves and arcs of the gun,i dunno what that means :S

[Ziem]

It means that your bullets don't fly in a straight line, they are falling after reaching certain distance...

[excruciator]

mp5 imo is the easiest auto to use, its also the one with the most potencial in ctf.
Just don't let granade overshadow the need for aim.

too many times I see mp5s die from of a above average steyr. Mp5 is perfectly capable handling mid-range.

[STM1993]

too many times I see mp5s die from of a above average steyr. Mp5 is perfectly capable handling mid-range.

Really? I've always believed that the Steyr would beat the MP5er by just a bit.

[excruciator]

too many times I see mp5s die from of a above average steyr. Mp5 is perfectly capable handling mid-range.

Really? I've always believed that the Steyr would beat the MP5er by just a bit.

Nope. MP5 has a higher DPS. The spread makes it difficult but its not impossible.

Steyr is inaccurate overtime. Steyr works well if you move slowly or hover, which all steyrer tend to hang around in that "range" of motion. Beyond that, it is hard for steyrer to keep the bullets straight.
Still, four shots + a nade can usually kill a guy, that is why steyr is so effective in ctf.

in conclusion, lead steyr out of his natural niche then its all good.
The lack of aim due to excess use of nade is a ctf player's greatest weakness.

[Platehead]

Yeah, I believe steyr and mp5 have similar, if not equivalent, damage per bullet.  The only thing that makes steyr advantaged in fights usually is its bullet speed and range, however in CTF, the situation where two players are charging each other kinda negates that, and gives the nading opportunity, so really it's not much worse than steyr.

[Ziem]

Yeah, I believe steyr and mp5 have similar, if not equivalent, damage per bullet.  The only thing that makes steyr advantaged in fights usually is its bullet speed and range, however in CTF, the situation where two players are charging each other kinda negates that, and gives the nading opportunity, so really it's not much worse than steyr.

No, Mp5 deals more dmg with 1 bullet than Steyr, assuming that you're in it's effective range, on long range it won't do much.

[STM1993]

MP5 would do slightly more damage actually, but it depends on how far the enemy is. At a short range, the MP5 does more damage + its higher firing rate = better DPS. Slowly, somewhere at mid-range they would have the same DPS and any further, the Steyr Aug would be the one which can do more damage.

But you must also consider the time it takes for the bullet to reach the enemy.

[excruciator]

Platehead was 80% right. Mp5 does do more damage than steyr, but lack of range sorta balance it out. But in CTF player charging player situation, range is nothing.
so Mp5 will have the advantage.