Minimi overpowered

[excruciator]

I still dunno why people didnt go nuts on ruger.

[O.R.I.O.N.]

Return to relevancy please.

The Minimi is best at taking out enemies at long range, which is why, perhaps, it isn't always too popular. The long reload and tendency to be out-sprayed at close range make it less favorable for people who like to get up close, or are constantly mauled by the aforementioned type of player, which rules out a large majority. As a sniper, it's why I like the Minimi, but there aren't really enough "traditional" snipers out there who share my combat style to think the same, perhaps.

[Extacide]

Er no offense, but have some of you even really played in a gather/cw/SCTFL recently? Move ACC is only a small inconvenience to a seasoned player. You don't see many people arguing that ruger is 100% balanced because of it's move acc. You find people rushing regardless and managing to land shots with very well timed shooting and moving. The long reload doesn't make too much of a difference with how often most players actually engage in combat at this skill level. Its some what rare for the reload to be a hinderence- and its usually after the player makes a kill. At close range it doesn't make any difference what guns are used because grenades reign supreme at mid-close ranges.

I'm not saying it needs a nerf (atleast, not yet anyways), but a lot of these arguments really are at a huge fault with the reality of clan wars and matches.

[BondJamesBond]

Extacide I use the minimi in Gathers. Why do you say the reload is not a hassle? It's especially tricky when you use half the ammo to kill one opponent and need to decide if you have time to reload or 'try' and go on with 25 bullets.

If my reload is misjudged, then I'm a sitting duck.

If I rush, I'm probably not gonna have enough ammo to last. ESPECIALLY if you consider the respawning opponents and the amount of life left from the first opponent.

Also, one hit killers are most effective against the minimi. M79 catches them in the face when they rush and the barret has enough time to put off a shot before the minimi does.  That's why I tend to use the weapon defensively (except in spray maps like Voland and Viet).

[Zero Static]

The minimi is only powerful when you can use it right. The reason it's used in Australia I think is due to map choices. I'd consider myself a reasonably skilled minimier, alot of people who frequent sna.gather know me as one of the only people to use it consistently and well during gathers. My favourite maps, and the ones I play best at are B2b, Laos, Steel, Voland and the maps I play bad at are Nuubia and Ash. On Nuubia and Ash I sometimes need to either change guns or specialize my gameplay to suit the map for minimi'ing. On Ash I'll normally defend if im going to minimi, since I know the minimi will be out classed when it comes to darting, close-range battles which usually occur in Ash's respawning areas.

The minimi can be very strong in certain situations, but I don't necessarily think it's overpowered as there are frequent situations where it is easily outclassed.

In conclusion, the minimi is not overpowered because of it's specialization.

[Extacide]

Extacide I use the minimi in Gathers. Why do you say the reload is not a hassle? It's especially tricky when you use half the ammo to kill one opponent and need to decide if you have time to reload or 'try' and go on with 25 bullets.

Better aim + Grenades = much less bullets used.

If my reload is misjudged, then I'm a sitting duck.

[sarcasm]Yes, we all know that serious players will sit 100% still and wait for their reload. They don't have a chance.[/sarcasm]

If I rush, I'm probably not gonna have enough ammo to last. ESPECIALLY if you consider the respawning opponents and the amount of life left from the first opponent.

Minimi isn't unique to this issue. Refer to my first quoted response.

Also, one hit killers are most effective against the minimi. M79 catches them in the face when they rush and the barret has enough time to put off a shot before the minimi does.  That's why I tend to use the weapon defensively (except in spray maps like Voland and Viet).

You obviously don't know how to play them.

1. M79 vs Long Range = Death.

2. Bink + Barret = They have a .1% chance to hit you. We also know that due to the minimi's imaginary two second delay, the barret can indeed get a shot off first. [/moresarcasm]

[8th_account]

You seem to know very little about soldat, Extacide. =)

[Extacide]

Nah Skoskav, I'm just being realistic. A lot of these arguments are completely unrealistic to what actually happens.

[Ziem]

.. Atm, m79er is able to kill any auto-user quite easily in many situations, mainly because there aren't a lot of long range fights.

Minimi is filling the role of support auto weapon. There's no real need to nerf it, since it isn't overused/-powered (it isn't popular at all..)

[BondJamesBond]

Better aim + Grenades = much less bullets used.

NO FREAKING WAI

[sarcasm]Yes, we all know that serious players will sit 100% still and wait for their reload. They don't have a chance.[/sarcasm]

So when I'm stuck with a 3 second reload, you're just gonna let me run. Thanks.

Minimi isn't unique to this issue. Refer to my first quoted response.

Uh, no. But this issue is much bigger for Minimi users because they have a LONGER RELOAD.

1. M79 vs Long Range = Death.

Read: when they rush

2. Bink + Barret = They have a .1% chance to hit you. We also know that due to the minimi's imaginary two second delay, the barret can indeed get a shot off first. [/moresarcasm]

Longer fire interval. And just a hint: scope definitely helps. <--- Yeah ok, I KNOW this applies to all weapons, but it's still a viable tactic to stop a minimi.

[Biggles]

If minimi is overpowered it's needed becasue of it's realoading time but still I almost never see anyone use it..

[excruciator]

minimi is very powerful when used right. I still believe that its overpowered even though is not as popular is steyr(perhaps the main reason that its not as popular is because its overshadowed by steyrs popularity). Not very much used and abused? maybe. I heard that its very overused in Australia, maybe us North Americans are just slow..

Minimi isn't unique to this issue. Refer to my first quoted response.

Uh, no. But this issue is much bigger for Minimi users because they have a LONGER RELOAD.

if the minimi had a 30 bullet clip like most other autos then you whined, I might have been on your side. but..no. Minimi has nearly twice as many bullets as most autos.

[8th_account]

...And it has nearly twice as long of a reload as most autos.

[The Owls]

The large clip and the long reload gives the minimi some uniqueness versus the other autos.  Personally, I'd rather not see either of them go.  The reload on the minimi just takes some getting used to.

[Biggles]

I still dunno why people didnt go nuts on ruger.

I think it's quite good now but still sometimes it do hurt to much.. I hate when the bullet kills one and continue and hits another enemy

[excruciator]

...And it has nearly twice as long of a reload as most autos.

I'll take that as a "so its balanced."

[Ziem]

...And it has nearly twice as long of a reload as most autos.

I'll take that as a "so its balanced."

But... wait... isn't it balanced compared to Steyr or Ak?
In my opinion, it is. There's no need to nerf the gun which is underused(= underpowered? ;F).

[STM1993]

Underused =/= underpowered. Take DEs for example.

I don't see many DE-users, but DEs are very powerful and have a considerably higher maximum potential than other weapons. They are just hard to use because of the bullet arc.

Whatever it is, just a movementac -1 and bink +4 is good enough for Minimi. I find no good reason to have Minimi have a ridiculously movementacc higher than 3 and bink makes a pretty minor buff. No other stats need to be changed. It's powerful enough for an auto, high enough clip for an auto and has a reasonably long reload time of more than twice that of a MP5 or Steyr Aug and 100 ticks longer than the AK to balance it out.

[Ziem]

Underused =/= underpowered. Take DEs for example.

:S
People pick the best weapons, they don't pick the worst(ok, some do)...
So in most cases, when players don't use a weapon as much as they use other weapons, there's something wrong (uh, I mean, when there is a difference of around 20000 kills (1000%...)sctfl stats ftw between Steyr kills and Minimi, there *must* be some difference in those weapons effectivity.)

[LtKillroy]

The thing with many guns, including the minimi, is the fact that it is somewhat of a support gun. You can't run into the enemy base spraying madly, toss a few nades, get the flag and run away with it very easily with the minimi. And sense it's pubs, everyone does this. Then when someone actually good uses it and mows down all theses rushers using the above tactic, it can start to seem imbalanced. But it really isn't, at least IMO.