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Minimi overpowered
« on: May 02, 2008, 06:25:02 am »
Nothing much to say about it. Since minimi has faster fireinterval and bulletspeed than AK
it's obivously overpowered. Eventhough it has 4 movement acc but it doesn't really affect its accuracy.
You can simpy test it by playing with it. I think it should have less damage. or more movement acc. 
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Re: Minimi overpowered
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2008, 06:34:24 am »
I it a VERY powerful weapon with incredible dps and probably one of the most used weapons...

In my opinion, it does need more movement accuracy or a decrease in damage as I find it incredibly easy to aim, fast bullets and such a huge load make it dangerous both up close and at a distance.
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Re: Minimi overpowered
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2008, 06:47:15 am »
Its movement acc doesn't decrease its accuracy if you use the 'release jets etc' method similar to how good players use the Barret; but the Minimi doesn't kill in one shot, so you have to stop moving for longer. It's supposed to be a heavy support weapon that sacrifices movement/versatility for extra firepower- and even then, it has less damage-per-bullet and possibly damage-per-second than the AK. That's why I use the AK as a kind of 'Minimi Carbine' for maps with alot of corners and multi-directiol movement involved, like Arena or Laos Ash.

I it a VERY powerful weapon with incredible dps and probably one of the most used weapons...


Are you kidding me? At least in public Normal mode servers, it's one of the least used weapons in the game- only the Minigun, fists and possibly Deagles are less used.

I'm not saying it's underpowered, but it's not ovepowered either.
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Re: Minimi overpowered
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2008, 08:12:24 am »
I totally agree with him. It's overpowered/ too accurate/ fast
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Re: Minimi overpowered
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2008, 08:52:31 am »
Eventhough it has 4 movement acc but it doesn't really affect its accuracy

Try firing it while moving and say that again.

...or more movement acc. 

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Re: Minimi overpowered
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2008, 10:38:40 am »
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Try firing it while moving and say that again.

still it's storonger than any other weps.
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Re: Minimi overpowered
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2008, 10:40:54 am »
Rubbish, minimi takes ages to reload. That alone makes it frustrating when youre out of ammo.

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Re: Minimi overpowered
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2008, 11:10:12 am »
big deal. You usually die way before you get to reload.
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Re: Minimi overpowered
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2008, 02:01:36 pm »
Like all weapons will be obsolete if the minimi had the reload of the AK? Rubbish. Long reload isn't the only thing that makes a gun bad.  Giving it the reload time of the AK or Steyr won't turn it into an inta-kill gun.

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Re: Minimi overpowered
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2008, 02:20:09 pm »
I it a VERY powerful weapon with incredible dps and probably one of the most used weapons...
... on public servers ...

It's powerful but still balanced with its moveacc (reload doesn't really matter in cw/gather situations).
I think it's underused for a reason - you can't move fast and shoot with it at the same time, it's more like support gun.

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Re: Minimi overpowered
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2008, 08:16:16 pm »
big deal. You usually die way before you get to reload.

And dying before you get 50 shots off with a decent firing rate auto tells you that it's overpowered? Unless you mean that in the "it's underpowered" sense.
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Re: Minimi overpowered
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2008, 10:07:37 pm »
Honestly, I never see another minimi user in gathers, clanwars, ect.  Is it powerful, probably, but does it have it disadvantages, no doubt.  A bad timed reload can leave you did with the other team up 1 cap on you.  Which is why other autos are seen more, much more reliable.  Its movement accuracy also hinders it, sure it can kill fast, very fast if I might add.  But when rushing, that movement accuracy will cause a bit of inaccuracy in your aim.  Sure you can say play defensive and don't move, but isn't the AK much more suited for that style of play?  Any, point is, its fine how it is.  Easily the least used auto, if not one of the least used weapon.

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Re: Minimi overpowered
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2008, 12:02:11 am »
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Agreed.
Minimi is good due to its killing rate - if all shots hit it kills the quickest out of all autos, I heard... not sure though
But it is very strong
And balanced by moveacc and reload
So yeah I agree with SDFilm it's not too good or too bad
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Re: Minimi overpowered
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2008, 03:06:56 am »
Owls! I use that gun all the time. I was 1st and 2nd top minimier in SNAG, and I use it on quite a few maps. As for the mov acc, I find it negligible. Its no worse then sprej'ing with an mp5, and I can controll that just fine. Minimi is fine as is.

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Re: Minimi overpowered
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2008, 04:13:08 am »
Minimi is quite okay but needs buffing and nerfing at the same time (refining), in normal mode that is.

Stats
Decent damage
Decent firing rate (9)
High Ammo Clip (50)
High bullet speed (270, higher than Aug by 10)
Acceptable Bink (Like bink really affects the minimi alot anyway)
Long Reload time (250 = 4.17 seconds, AK is 150 = 2.5 seconds)
High Movementacc (4, moving and shooting is gonna be a big problem)

Pros:
1. Can keep firing for quite a period of time - made to out-clip enemy guns
2. Can provide rather strong support
3. An auto capable of defense
4. Its high bullet speed is actually another important factor.

Cons:
1. Not so effective when moving due to movement inaccuracy
2. Likely to be killed at the beginning of battles or in very heated situations
3. Killed easily when reloading

Conclusion:
Minimi is a defensive, support, ground-based automatic weapon, more towards mid to long range.

It is not as suitable for offensive combat compared to the other autos due to extreme inaccuracy when moving. Constant moving and agility is needed in such heated situations. In offensive battles, it is usually the one who does the most damage at the start of the battle that wins. With a long reload, you can't possibly survive as well.

However, the minimi has a longer clip than most guns, and it can last quite a period of time. The minimi is not built to finish off opponents in a swift rush or to fly around in the air and spray down enemies ; it is meant to gradually weaken an opponent and eventually kill him, so it is very deadly at pro-longed battles, when opponents with other guns are vulnerable as they are reloading while you can still shoot at your opponents.

The glaring weakness would be its long reload. Even though the Minimi is meant for pro-longed battles, the Minimi cannot go further than a certain limit. Once you start reloading, you have a very low chance of survival ; either you get killed or you have to escape, leaving your opponents at an advantage.

If you want to use a Minimi, you have to be very good at surviving, hence you need to have good dodging skills, agility and knowledge of the map, so you can pick good places to use the Minimi effectively as well as plan routes for escaping and refilling. I would describe the Minimi as the mini-turret.

The real reason why most people probably say it is overpowered or whatever is because of its ability to keep firing until it runs out of ammo (where it becomes the complete opposite) and the fact that its bullet speed outclasses the other autos so it tends to be superior.

Instead of saying its overpowered or fine or underpowered, it is a gun which needs some refining. I think it needs to have a shorter reload, that's for sure. But if it makes the Minimi overpowered, it'd need to trade off for something else. It's a little messy due to balance issues and similarity to the AK, which brings me to the next point:

Comparing with AK:
Yes you can say that the Minimi is similar to the AK... but the difference is the AK is slightly slower, has higher damage per shot, slightly less ammo, far more accurate, much lower bullet speed and reloads faster, so the AK is more of the all-rounder that works best at mid-long range but quite poorly at close range.

Realistic:
I'm not a realistic player myself but I know full well that the Minimi is crazy overpowered after playing realistic Zombie games with the default realistic weapons. High damage, high ammo, high bullet speed, high accuracy (very easily controllable), decent firing rate, basically the jack of all trades already ; a phased-plasma rifle in the forty watt range.
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Re: Minimi overpowered
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2008, 06:39:51 am »
Minimi is good at any range. even though it has 4 movement acc you don't always keep moving. even though you do, movement bink doesn't happen always with autos. it happens once per many bullets. since minimi has faster bullet speed and fire interval.
theres no way ak can beat minimi in CTF.

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Re: Minimi overpowered
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2008, 07:37:07 am »
theres no way ak can beat minimi in CTF.

The reason why Minimi is superior to the AK is simply because it has a higher ammo clip, higher firing rate, bullet speed and due to higher firing rate, utlimately, also the damage per second. The AK, on the other hand, is slower, but makes up with better accuracy and higher damage per shot and faster reload. Both are built to fight in pro-longed battles, but one is more for support (minimi), the other is more for combat (ak).

If both AK and Minimi users have no movement acc, the Minimi wins. If both are to keep moving or are fighting in the air, chances are the AK would win. It is true that movementacc doesn't always affect, but it is still quite a big factor.

AK and Minimi are better described in a very close match when battling each other. It depends on terrain and the movement of the two users.

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Re: Minimi overpowered
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2008, 11:17:02 am »
Are you kidding me? At least in public Normal mode servers, it's one of the least used weapons in the game- only the Minigun, fists and possibly Deagles are less used.

I'm not saying it's underpowered, but it's not ovepowered either.

I don't know about other countries, but here in Australia, many players have mastered the minimi and is a very popular weapon.
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Re: Minimi overpowered
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2008, 01:13:13 pm »
Now that more people are using it, I think its a little over powered. Its damage and fire interval demolishes people, and the movement acc is easily ignored. It is one of the autos that actually require a bit of skill over the rest, but in the hands of the right person you can rush just fine; It's a bull dozer. I think just a tad bit less damage or a slightly fire interval will balance it a bit.
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Re: Minimi overpowered
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2008, 02:12:34 pm »
Now that more people are using it

They are?

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