Minimi overpowered

[Clawbug]

Bullshit. You got pwned by some UK Minimer, aye? 

Ruger has the DPS, not Minimi.

[cunchy]

Are you kidding me? At least in public Normal mode servers, it's one of the least used weapons in the game- only the Minigun, fists and possibly Deagles are less used.

I'm not saying it's underpowered, but it's not ovepowered either.

I don't know about other countries, but here in Australia, many players have mastered the minimi and is a very popular weapon.

Australia is probably known for many people using Autos XD. And yes, the Minimi along with the AUG is like freakishly popular in Australia

[excruciator]

Now that more people are using it

They are?

yes, there are a lot of minimis running around nowdays.

[InoX]

i didnt see minimi player for mounths

[Fluffy]

Hey everyone, I got owned by someone a lot better than me and now I'm angry. Nerf this weapon because I don't like it. Also you could make Barrett semi-automatic.

[excruciator]

popularity its directly proportional to overpoweredness.

Minimi is indeed overpowered, so it attracts people. and so does the aug.

[BondJamesBond]

...........

Or maybe the Minimi has been improved enough to actually be used. More people playing it could just as well mean we've reached a balance among the autos.

[excruciator]

but something obviously wrong to have 2 incredibly popular auto(minimi and aug) and 2 incredibly overshadowed auto.

if the auto were all equally balanced, we would have similar number of people using each gun. And thats obviously not the case.

[a-4-year-old]

if the auto were all equally balanced, we would have similar number of people using each gun.

Or people using different autos on different maps, which never happens.

[8th_account]

For the sake of facts, the previous SCTFL server stats (http://nopaste.biz/37000) are the most accurate stats obtained when it comes to figuring out what the weapon usage amongst clan players are globally in non-bullbollocks games. I'm aware that minimi is common in Australia, but in these stats they rank just above "Hands" in lethality. It could be that Europeans are still biased from 1.2 to 1.3 where it was nothing but a powerful last resort of a spraying device that you chose with a couple of minutes left to go when the other team were lames. When a euro sees another euro using it yet today, they might just think "What a lamearse," even though it's not so lame anymore.

I'm not sure what I'm saying. The truth is probably somewhere inbetween. Many Australians could just be falling for some sort of conformity, making it over-represented, while euros make it under-represented for the reasons stated above.

[BondJamesBond]

we would have similar number of people using each gun. And thats obviously not the case.

err... wrong?

[Fluffy]

Minimi is indeed overpowered, so it attracts people.

but something obviously wrong to have 2 incredibly popular auto(minimi and aug)

This is the list copied from the link:

1. [Grenade] => 23497
2. [Steyr AUG] => 23065
3. [Ak-74] => 13377
4. [Ruger 77] => 9551
5. [Combat Knife] => 9439
6. [HK MP5] => 8996
7. => 7797
8. [Spas-12] => 7580
9. [Desert Eagles] => 4008
10. [Barrett M82A1] => 3473
11. [FN Minimi] => 2319
12. [Hands] => 1724
13. [LAW] => 1670
14. [Selfkill] => 1607
15. [Chainsaw] => 373
16. [XM214 Minigun] => 82

As you can see, every weapon other than the Minigun is more popular than the Minimi. Even the knife has four times more kills.

So if you're trying to use the Minimi's level of popularity as a proof that it's unfair, then obviously you've got your facts wrong, assholes.

[tehsnipah]

Guys..... minimi is very powerful, but the cons are that it shoots slower than AK, and it reloads like if snail is trying to move across 1 feet.

[a-4-year-old]

Guys..... minimi is very powerful, but the cons are that it shoots slower than AK, and it reloads like if snail is trying to move across 1 feet.

...

It shoots faster than the AK

[excruciator]

we would have similar number of people using each gun. And thats obviously not the case.

err... wrong?

errr...yes??? when is the last time you've seen a serious MP5 running around, and when is the last time you've seen a aug running around..

Minimi is indeed overpowered, so it attracts people.

but something obviously wrong to have 2 incredibly popular auto(minimi and aug)

This is the list copied from the link:

1. [Grenade] => 23497
2. [Steyr AUG] => 23065
3. [Ak-74] => 13377
4. [Ruger 77] => 9551
5. [Combat Knife] => 9439
6. [HK MP5] => 8996
7. => 7797
8. [Spas-12] => 7580
9. [Desert Eagles] => 4008
10. [Barrett M82A1] => 3473
11. [FN Minimi] => 2319
12. [Hands] => 1724
13. [LAW] => 1670
14. [Selfkill] => 1607
15. [Chainsaw] => 373
16. [XM214 Minigun] => 82

As you can see, every weapon other than the Minigun is more popular than the Minimi. Even the knife has four times more kills.

So if you're trying to use the Minimi's level of popularity as a proof that it's unfair, then obviously you've got your facts wrong, assholes.

fluff, that is the number of kills with each weapon. It does not portray how many people uses that weapon. Sure if there are more kills the chances are that there are more people using that weapon. But see, even if we are discussing how good a weapon is with that stat(which is what essentially the whole purpose of the stat) that stat is still seriously flawed (at its own game). because it only shows what gets the very last shot. so you could technically work your ass off by massacring the guy to the point that any stray shots can kill him, I still could go WRROM!! with my minigun and still gets the kill.

So in the end in terms of stats, I could be very successful while having the least in terms of amount of dmg, DPS , dmg per clip whatever. And in other people's prospective my minigun would be very great(according to the obviously wrong stat) and your minimi ak whatever is a piece of junk.

[The Owls]

Those numbers do show the usage of each weapons.  It shows the popularity of each weapon, and gives an idea as to which weapons are more powerful then others.  You can't possibly tell me that the a weapon like the minimi or the deagles are used more then something like that aug or the AK. 

Saying something like, "Oh, that 20,000+ kill difference between the aug and the minimi means nothing.  The aug just went in and stole a good 10,000 or so kills from the minimi."  Well, that just makes you look ignorant.

The minimi isn't used that much in NA, or in Europe.  Though it does have some growing popularity in Aussie players.  Is it underpowered though? Maybe, maybe a little bit.  But that doesn't mean at all that it is a bad weapon.  It just has some good advantages (high speed/damage), and some harsh disadvantages (reload/movement accuracy).  The reload seems to be the main thing that draws most players away from it, since a bad timed one can leave you defenseless, and the other team with an extra cap.

[BondJamesBond]

we would have similar number of people using each gun. And thats obviously not the case.

err... wrong?

errr...yes??? when is the last time you've seen a serious MP5 running around, and when is the last time you've seen a aug running around.

Err... In literally every gather I've played. Since I started Gathering about 5 months ago.

[excruciator]

we would have similar number of people using each gun. And thats obviously not the case.

err... wrong?

errr...yes??? when is the last time you've seen a serious MP5 running around, and when is the last time you've seen a aug running around.

Err... In literally every gather I've played. Since I started Gathering about 5 months ago.

what like 1 in every gather? what about augs or minimis, like the rest?

Date Posted: May 12, 2008, 10:54:41 pm

Those numbers do show the usage of each weapons.  It shows the popularity of each weapon, and gives an idea as to which weapons are more powerful then others.  You can't possibly tell me that the a weapon like the minimi or the deagles are used more then something like that aug or the AK. 

Saying something like, "Oh, that 20,000+ kill difference between the aug and the minimi means nothing.  The aug just went in and stole a good 10,000 or so kills from the minimi."  Well, that just makes you look ignorant.

The minimi isn't used that much in NA, or in Europe.  Though it does have some growing popularity in Aussie players.  Is it underpowered though? Maybe, maybe a little bit.  But that doesn't mean at all that it is a bad weapon.  It just has some good advantages (high speed/damage), and some harsh disadvantages (reload/movement accuracy).  The reload seems to be the main thing that draws most players away from it, since a bad timed one can leave you defenseless, and the other team with an extra cap.

did I say anything about all aug kills are stealing from minimis?
No.

I said that there is a certain inaccuracy to that data, and there is a lot of missing information to really use it to judge weapons.

sure, aug is much more popular than minimis, but minimi is the 2nd most popular auto. All the focus on only 2 autos, kinda unbalanced isnt it.

[BondJamesBond]

what like 1 in every gather? what about augs or minimis, like the rest?

Yes. Actually, I take back my '5 months' thing. It's actually been ever since they put the 1.5 balance in. In my last gather:
Steyr, HK, and Minimi were all present in all three maps.

I'm going to go ahead and say it: 1.5 is closer than ever to balanced weapons.

[-Major-]

I am pretty sure Minimi is going to be boosted in 1.5