Why was 1.2.1 good?

[Crimson Goth]

I enjoy all the versions simply because I get use to them eventually. But I did enjoy 1.2.1 the most because that's where I started and the community was more respectful back then. It seemed like those aspects of the game got worse and worse are more versions came out. The only flaw I saw was the maps back then. They were visually bad compared to the popular maps we play on now, but some of those maps inspired the lovely default maps we play on today. I guess it's not that bad.

[SDFilm]

there were no weapon mods, no scripts, Everyone played CTF, most in normal mode, you used to just blindly pick a server and be ok with it. Not so much now.

That. Plus it was a stable version, the balance only reeked in clan wars, but it was still lots of fun to play. Then again, a lot of people like it now because they started at 1.2.1, and the magic of first always applies.

Also, anyone remember the doom-prophecies we've held about the weapon editor, how it would kill traditional ctf and servers would go amock with lots of weapon mods? Who would've thought that in the end it's going to be scripting which fulfills our darkest visions.

*goes back to his quakenet haven

Was there really a spike in new Soldat players during 1.2.1? If so, did Soldat have somekind of web advertising or was it simply because of it being so popular?

I found Soldat 1.2.1 when my college Media technician showed it to me.

[InoX]

1.2.1 was really fast paced, no unregistered hits, no WM...
But there was problems also like barret really overoverpowered :/ a lot more than nowadays, and too much spray

[Snow]

Was there really a spike in new Soldat players during 1.2.1? If so, did Soldat have somekind of web advertising or was it simply because of it being so popular?

I found Soldat 1.2.1 when my college Media technician showed it to me.

If I'm not mistaken, Soldat was once again featured in a free play article (Top 50 freeware games or something) in PC Gamer around that time and some more popular sites, so that would have helped with a few new faces and more word-of-mouth. Soldat also happened to be featured on many freeware and gaming/indie gaming sites and early blogs. That's how a friend of mine ran into Soldat when it was just months old and he in turn introduced me to the game.

[Poop]

You know something, I have been saying this for the past 3 years now because I notice it happening every time. Whenever a new version comes out, the older version automatically becomes "AWESUM" or whenever something gets changes or removed from soldat, when it was actually included that feature was "AWESUM". The funny thing here is that when that version was actually out and being played there was tremendous amounts of whine about that version sucking and the ones before that being way better.

This has happened for new version changes, new weapon balances, and new maps. The best example has to be ctf_Crashed map. When it was included in the game, literally nobody liked the map, nobody picked it in clanwars and everyone wanted to skip it when it came up in public servers. When it got removed everyone suddenly loved crash. "Omg why was crashed removed it was the best map EVUR".

I have observed this 'phenomena' since I started soldat back in 1.1.4.

[InoX]

I think 1.2.1 > 1.4.2 > other versions

1.4.2 is a good version imo

[a-4-year-old]

You know something, I have been saying this for the past 3 years now because I notice it happening every time. Whenever a new version comes out, the older version automatically becomes "AWESUM" or whenever something gets changes or removed from soldat, when it was actually included that feature was "AWESUM". The funny thing here is that when that version was actually out and being played there was tremendous amounts of whine about that version sucking and the ones before that being way better.

This has happened for new version changes, new weapon balances, and new maps. The best example has to be ctf_Crashed map. When it was included in the game, literally nobody liked the map, nobody picked it in clanwars and everyone wanted to skip it when it came up in public servers. When it got removed everyone suddenly loved crash. "Omg why was crashed removed it was the best map EVUR".

I have observed this 'phenomena' since I started soldat back in 1.1.4.

Thats total crap. I loved 1.2.1, every version since has not lived up to it. 1.3 was total garbage and 1.3.1 wasn't nearly as good as 1.2.1, 1.4 made all those horrible graphical changes and 1.4.2 just isn't up to standard.

Crashed really was awesome, it was the spray that sucked. I learned how 2 shot law there! Chernobyl was at least an interesting map, Now they all seem the same. Way to take out the variety. Also that drop down map was pretty good.

I never really had a problem with the Weapon balance, not to the extreme that some people were. I usually just schooled whoever was barrettarding by utterly destroying them with their own weapon. (or the AK) The only thing I had a problem with was that GOD DAMN KNIFE CHARGE UP TIME YOU JUST HAD TO HAVE FOR 1.3!

[Extacide]

Actually I really did like Crashed, Poop. Newbies could never figure out how to get up to the spawn to kill the EFC. I think a revised version should be made for 1.5 with some fixes to the flaws of crashed that made it not so fun.

As for 1.2.1, I lub it with my heart and soul because it was teh only version I truly owned with desert eagles/knife. Ever since then I haven't been the same. =( The knife especially. Believe it or not I USED to be able to use a knife with proficiency. But with the delay...its all luck now. But it was the version I started in. It was fast paced and fun. The guns were retardedly strong but thats what made it fun. No one spammed grenades like they do today. The netcode wasn't actually as good as it is now though. It was simply because all of the weapons were so freaking strong they over compensated for the mis-regs.

Oh my and back then, DM's were actually plentiful. I remember all of the public DM servers I used to chill at as a newbie, aspiring to win every single one of them.

Date Posted: May 06, 2008, 05:08:31 pmAt one point lots of people played DM, mostly because there were more people back then but it was comparable to the CTF communities. Public DM did spawn some of our finest players before they transitioned to CTF. You rarely see that happen now. Oh my and the 1v1's. People weren't so stuck up with CTF like they are now. People actually 1v1'ed back then and didn't break out their 5 page essays on why 1v1 didn't prove anything. (Don't start the argument, this is how it was SO GO AWAY!) People were all so cocky and immature, you got challenged to a 1v1 left and right. I tried to 1v1 as much as possible. It was 1v1'ing that introduced me to the pro players. Now barely anyone will 1v1 me. =(

Yeah...1.2.1 was teh best.

[Poop]

Extacide and a 4-year-old, you don't have to agree with me. I simlply posted what I have observed in my long career in soldat (4.5 years now). Every version that comes out is automatically worst than the version before that (For the majority of people). Every weapon balance is worst than the one before it. When 1.2.1 came out, everyone was pissed off at spray and the effectiveness of autos, they wanted to go back to 1.1.5 (Mp5 barret domination, back then the 1.2.1 of today was 1.1.5, everyone thought 1.1.5 was the best version ever), so when we went back to barret and mp5 domination a version later, people started whining about that and saying 1.2.1 was the best.

And alot of clanplayers nowadays say "OMG CRASHED WAS THE BEST MAP EVUR WHY REMOVE IT". All im going to say is, when it was actually in the game literally nobody picked crashed and whenever someone did pick it, the other clan got pissed off.

[Extacide]

Not sure about joo Poop but the clans I faced didnt have a problem with it. You must have been in CH - Crashed Haters. =(

[ElGato]

Not sure about joo Poop but the clans I faced didnt have a problem with it. You must have been in CH - Crashed Haters. =(

True dat, I started in 1.2.1 and I loved crashed. The removal of crashed was the only thing I didn't like about the version changes from then to now.

[xurich]

no unregistered hits

Oh man, we didn't play the same 1.2.1 then. This has been a problem since I started playing, and 1.2.1 was hardly an exception.

As for 1.2.1, I lub it with my heart and soul because it was teh only version I truly owned with desert eagles/knife. Ever since then I haven't been the same. =( The knife especially. Believe it or not I USED to be able to use a knife with proficiency. But with the delay...its all luck now.

How does the delay make it more based on luck? I would say the opposite is true—the delay requires a bit more skill to master.

In any case, 1.2.1 was fun, undoubtedly, but I largely agree with Poop. I think that people are more attracted to the nostalgia and memories from 1.2.1 than the version itself. I downloaded 1.2.1 not so long ago, but I didn't find it nearly as appealing as I remembered it, though I'm not an ardent supporter of the version like some others around here, so maybe it's only me.

[jerich]

One of the reasons 1.2.1 is my favorite is not because of the weapon balance, not because of the maps, but because of the gaming environment I was in.

This was the version I started and grew accustomed to. I was just some random public player who didn't care about anything besides getting 1st in U13 public all the time. I became a regular there and that's where I found other regulars who I became friendly with. I absolutely loved just playing for long periods of time.

I started going to the clanscene into competitive play POST 1.2.1 era. The gaming was more serious than fun, there were a bunch more of cocky and arrogant players, and even more whiners. I even noticed the non-regs when I used to not even pay attention to that at all before. Even despite the more hostile gaming environment, I noticed that I still liked playing Soldat anyways.

My point being that Soldat was always great regardless of the version. Sure, a lot of changes, but no matter how much we complain about versions, balances, and bugs...we all still play the game. The only reason I could be more fond of 1.2.1 rather than any of the newer versions is the nostalgic feeling of when you first fell in love with the game. Otherwise, I really don't see a MAJOR difference in GAMEPLAY of newer versions. It's still the game that I can go to some random server and play in total chaos with explosions everywhere whether it be 1.1.5 or 1.2.1 or 1.4.2.

[Bug]

I so agree with jerich. Good speech!

[InoX]

no unregistered hits

Oh man, we didn't play the same 1.2.1 then. This has been a problem since I started playing, and 1.2.1 was hardly an exception.

I dont remember having hits bug in 1.2.1 but maybe im wrong;)
CTF_Crashed was a stupid map imo, but Chernobyl, with some improvements can be a great and tactical map!

I remember a 1.2.1 map ( removed in 1.3.1 or something ) that was really good.
I dont even remember the name but it was really fast paced, even more than nuubia, i miss it

Edit: Its CTF_Marage , but i cant download it anywhere, can someone uploead it ? it would be cool:)

[Poop]

Extacide, I checked the SCTFL 5 and SCTFL 6 map choices (Using forum search) on the SCTFL archive here: http://archive.sctfl.net/index.php (Use the search function and search "Crashed" and "ctf_Crashed".

I could not find any matches EXCEPT 1 that used ctf_Crashed. So 1 total league match in 2 seasons of SCTFL used ctf_Crashed. here it is if your wondering: http://archive.sctfl.net/viewtopic.php?t=831&highlight=crashed

SCTFL 5 and 6 was during 1.2.1. Also I could not find any matches with you in them in SCTFL 5 and 6 (Unless you were using a different name back then), so I going to reserve the fact that I can make judgment here on whether or not crashed was actually liked (And I clearly remember the majority of people disliked crashed) since you don't even seem to be in the clan scene at that point in time. If you used a different name back then enlighten me as to what it was.

[a-4-year-old]

The universe does not revolve around SCTFL.

[Demonic]

Oh you'd be surprised. Competitive soldat ( with 100+ clans meaning around 500-600 players ) does. The massive public consists of occasional players who play it as seriously as you play solitaire. Then there's a fine range of community people, in realistic + tw + australia + soldat forums, which mostly use public servers where every map gets played, so Crashed would be obviously more popular. But this is besides the point, as Poop was contradicting Extacide, whom claimed  that crashed was popular in the competitive scene - which it wasn't, and people only whined after it was removed. Tough luck bitches.

[Extacide]

My name was Extacide, although I had just broken into the clan scene. If you don't remember, my first clan was `SL which I was in for about 8 months or so. We began scrimming in the dying months of 1.2.1. I remember thoroughly playing clans like SU, DETH, but I don't remember any others. I remember playing crashed maybe about five times in scrims with no whining or rejecting.

As for SCTFL, SL never participated in an SCTFL until SCTFL 7 I believe. You can check there and you'll find all the hype of SL defeating HS and going 12-0-0. Its too bad we died inside out with sneaky and his uber multiclanning (I freaking told those fags it was him but NO ONE BELIEVED ME). Would have been a fun SCTFL finals against BH had we survived. But that all goes past 1.2.1. I remember doing nothing but bitching about how desert eagles got nerfed until I picked up ruger later in 1.3, lol.

[TheWind]

Umm,maybe when barret had no delay.it owned cuz i love camping