Get rid of the m79

[8th_account]

Anyway, it comes down to two things for 8th to decide:

Either it sticks to the way it is, or the dynamic bullet speed is removed.

Actually, I decided when 1.4 was being developed that M79 could only be balanced by making its muzzle velocity constant. I've tried at least three separate times to convince MM, but he insists that M79 would be too boring with the tweak and refuses to do it. =(

[STM1993]

Aww man =(

[Platehead]

So what are they planning to do to it?

[Hair|Trigger]

Ah we just gotta kill all the people against M79 and the Band Wagon effect will die out. 

[.Ryan.]

This topic is done to death several thousand times over. Why dont admins just automatically lock these threads whenever they arise 

[STM1993]

This topic is done to death several thousand times over. Why dont admins just automatically lock these threads whenever they arise 

Because the M79 is a very controversial weapon. On one hand, it's a piece of crap. On the other hand, it's an abused, overpowered weapon. If anyone can just come up with a way to really make it not in such a way, then it would be good.

[cunchy]

See, the way I see it is that...

The m79 is considered an overpowered weapon because it kills in one hit AND ALOT of people use it.
If a different gun was as widely used as the m79, people would call THAT ovepowered and the m79 would be some piece of crap waiting to be boosted in Soldat v1.5

[SDFilm]

Ah we just gotta kill all the people against M79 and the Band Wagon effect will die out. 

As long as there are people joining Soldat and the M79 stays the way it is, the "band wagon" won't stop on its journey to balancing.

See, the way I see it is that...

The m79 is considered an overpowered weapon because it kills in one hit AND ALOT of people use it.
If a different gun was as widely used as the m79, people would call THAT ovepowered and the m79 would be some piece of crap waiting to be boosted in Soldat v1.5

It's more about the way that it's abused, rather than simply the amount of people using it.

[Cold Hand]

Scrubs killed the barret star.

Now its m79 turn.

So are you  tired of this threads ? They wont stop appearing until m79 is nerfed.

Gotta love soldat comunity

[STM1993]

*ahem*

Scrubs killed the barret star.

Now its m79 turn.

So are you  tired of this threads ? They wont stop appearing until m79 is nerfed.

I dont think its balanced as it can  be countered only by a sniper.

You're contradicting yourself.

[Cold Hand]

o rly ?

I just said ppl will cry over the fact that they get owned by the m79 until is nerfed.

And I just said that m79 can only be countered by a sniper.

[STM1993]

Well, it was kinda phrased in a way that makes you look as though you want it nerfed as well. Anyway...



M79 loses out in long range, and Barrett's also another one-hitter, that's why Barrett is the best counter against the M79. However, there are also tactics for other weapons to fight against the M79 as well, I'm just not sure what. But I remember seeing that when encountering a M79er, you have to use different tactics to fight instead of using the usual tricks that can apply to all other weapons, such as stop rushing towards the M79 and focus on keeping a distance.

[Ziem]

M79 can be countered by every weapon, you just need to change tactics (rushing is rather bad idea).

[Clawbug]

Is countering M79 so hard right now? What to do about it? Add delay? Remove delay from Barrett? Make other weapons stronger? Add longer reload for M79?

Actually, whatever you do, is bad. As long as game has these "easy" and "noob weapons", people will whine. Yes, you can get one easy kill, but with other weapons you can make 10 kills in a row, faster than people can shoot 10 times with M79/barrett. It is just about the skill.

I am not saying that only noobs use M79, because it isn't true. From time to time I just go to some random publics to blast people off with M79, just the sake of it being "noob weapon". It greatly provokes some people. All I can say, is that people who whine about it do not know much about the game or optimal gameplay, and actually they are the ones who are making M79 a problem. And actually the problem isn't M79 itself, but people who use it and people who get provoked by it.

Yes, alot of so-called "noobs" use M79, but every one who whines about it, is one hella "noob" him/herself.

[SDFilm]

I just said ppl will cry over the fact that they get owned by the m79 until is nerfed.

Either that or we're trying to make a good weapon balance.

[Snow]

If you don't want to be killed by an m79, go on a server that has em turned off, like TW servers. Otherwise learn to dodge, learn to avoid being close to m79ers, learn to not be out in the open when someone could be flying along with and m79 and paint the poly's with your entrails. The reloading time for an m79 is what.. 3 seconds. When an m79er misses you, it's pretty much his/her death sentence, unless they're good with their secondary. When I use an m79 I usually by instinct, quickly switch to my secondary, which is knife. That way I have at least one more chance to kill my opponent before I get owned.

To me the m79 is a fun weapon and alright the way it is. For someone who wants max kills or better ability to get the flag, it is NOT a good weapon in that sense. In that case, it's better to have a ruger or auto. M79 is good for defense or support. Noobs love it, because yes, it is a one shot kill and causes the goriest death besides a nade. But, a noob won't use the weapon properly. They'll use it like all other weapons and go on their merry way skipping around the map, shooting away. They're then annoying, however, easily killed. Noobs also suck at using secondaries, so when they fire their m79 and miss, their luck is up. You can take your sweet time owing them. That's the fun part. Whip out a saw, mince them into pulp and then piss on them.

[Platehead]

Well... I normally dodge M79 by keeping my cursor as far in front of me as possible.  Once he charges in, I turn my next bunny hop into a backflip and he usually misses (actually 75% or above if they're nublets).

One of the bests M79ers I know is ~Silk~, and he OWNS with SOCOM.  So yeah, be wary of secondaries too =D

[STM1993]

Well, my agility isn't that good and I didn't really realize that I should bunny hop (hold down, not just tap and let go) and then backflip which works.

So far I only know Octopwn, a M79er, who knows how to boost with it very well. And is quite okay with it I guess.

[Mx7]

He: M79 , You: Anything else   .He shots you , you die , he misses he dies .I Hate m79 but ...yea ... you gotta deal with it

[STM1993]

I was playing around with a weapon modded M79 that shoots Frag Grenades when I wondered what will happen to the M79 if you do this:

The M79's projectile is just like it is now, but the ability to do damage is nerfed to that of frag grenades, and the reload time for the M79 is faster (probably 2 or 2.5 seconds instead of 3).



I think it's bad idea and that the M79 is already fine as it is, but meh, what do you guys think?