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F12 = yes  F11 = no

F11
23 (21.5%)
F12
26 (24.3%)
F12, but saw only
55 (51.4%)
F12, but guns only
3 (2.8%)

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Offline Peu

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Re: Saw while backflipping
« Reply #40 on: July 24, 2008, 05:49:42 pm »
What you think is little, I think is lots. Our views differ on stylistic preference, there is little chance an argument about that would go anywhere useful.

Balance depends on the intended purpose. The intended purpose of the chainsaw is to be in a situation where you can saw the enemy before they can kill you. Like any other gun. Taking into account the saw's qualities, it is fit for certain situations, not all. Like any other gun.  Within the scope of the saw's use, considering it's qualities:I think that the saw is balanced. Pretty much... like every other gun.

I can think of many situations where dodging bullets, the thing that would eventually put a stopper on most sawer's massacre's, would be pretty damn useful if the sawer got to eliminate the sources of those same bullets at the same time. I can already smell the sweet, panic inducing randomness.

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Re: Saw while backflipping
« Reply #41 on: July 25, 2008, 02:29:52 am »
The fact that one can backflip and saw at the same time does not make it more powerful

I dare you to go flip into the air with the chainsaw and make the saw blade come into contact with something (say, a bot with no weapon) while you are backflipping.   

Not so easy is it?

now try doing it to a bot with a weapon.

Therefore.  This will NOT alter the chainsaw's general balance among other weapons.   

This is why, if you have no saw war experience, you really dont have a reason to F11 until you consider the idea from a sawer's perspective..
Because the point of the idea is to introduce more combat options in a professionalised saw war, Not increase the saw's power. 


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Offline Peu

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Re: Saw while backflipping
« Reply #42 on: August 02, 2008, 08:41:05 pm »
The fact that one can backflip and saw at the same time does not make it more powerful

I dare you to go flip into the air with the chainsaw and make the saw blade come into contact with something (say, a bot with no weapon) while you are backflipping.   

Not so easy is it?

now try doing it to a bot with a weapon.

Therefore.  This will NOT alter the chainsaw's general balance among other weapons.   

This is why, if you have no saw war experience, you really dont have a reason to F11 until you consider the idea from a sawer's perspective..
Because the point of the idea is to introduce more combat options in a professionalised saw war, Not increase the saw's power. 



"Because it's hard" is not a reason as to why it's not more powerful. Also, bots play different than players. Also, making a weapon's advanced moves more effective is still improving the weapon. From the perspective of someone who uses the backflip and roll excessively, I very, VERY often roll past and through my opponents, if I had a saw at those times....
The most effective way to generate upwards momentum is with a backflip off a slope, if you have that speed along with the killing ability... well, if that's mostly useless to you, then so be it.

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Re: Saw while backflipping
« Reply #43 on: August 05, 2008, 05:57:37 am »
I have another saw idea: when a player with a saw is killed while having the saw working, the saw continues to work for a small amount of time (0.75-1 sec), potentionally able to hit someone. It should probably have lower damage this way, but still be kinda dangerous. I think it would add more blood to the game, making it more fun.

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Re: Saw while backflipping
« Reply #44 on: August 05, 2008, 06:09:20 am »
^I like it

I doubt Enesce will add it however. 

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Offline Ziem

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Re: Saw while backflipping
« Reply #45 on: August 05, 2008, 08:11:40 am »
CrazyArcher - no, it would kill the fun when playing saw only.

Offline Lumen-Shroom

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Re: Saw while backflipping
« Reply #46 on: August 11, 2008, 08:21:23 pm »
The fact that one can backflip and saw at the same time does not make it more powerful

I dare you to go flip into the air with the chainsaw and make the saw blade come into contact with something (say, a bot with no weapon) while you are backflipping.   

Not so easy is it?

now try doing it to a bot with a weapon.

Therefore.  This will NOT alter the chainsaw's general balance among other weapons.   

This is why, if you have no saw war experience, you really dont have a reason to F11 until you consider the idea from a sawer's perspective..
Because the point of the idea is to introduce more combat options in a professionalised saw war, Not increase the saw's power. 



"Because it's hard" is not a reason as to why it's not more powerful. Also, bots play different than players. Also, making a weapon's advanced moves more effective is still improving the weapon. From the perspective of someone who uses the backflip and roll excessively, I very, VERY often roll past and through my opponents, if I had a saw at those times....
The most effective way to generate upwards momentum is with a backflip off a slope, if you have that speed along with the killing ability... well, if that's mostly useless to you, then so be it.
There's no "most effective way" to gain momentum. They vary.

That said, the saw is an underused weapon and in most cases underpowered.

F12.

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Re: Saw while backflipping
« Reply #47 on: August 12, 2008, 04:55:00 am »
Yeah, saw is a little underpowered, but usable.  Should get a slight buff in 1.5.0 when all bullet push is reduced.  I personally thing cannonball is one of the best momentum thingies, but I never use it due to the fact that you're bouncing backwards
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Re: Saw while backflipping
« Reply #48 on: August 12, 2008, 09:00:54 am »
I'd use it more if you could kill people in the middle of it.
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Re: Saw while backflipping
« Reply #49 on: August 12, 2008, 10:11:40 am »
f12. I can just picture me how awesome the kill will be ;d

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Re: Saw while backflipping
« Reply #50 on: August 13, 2008, 04:53:57 am »
I'd use it more if you could kill people in the middle of it.

That's my point in the previous post.  Since you're turned backwards, you can't even see anyone coming at you.  Due to your high velocity, it'd be extremely difficult to react long enough.  Even when you've reacted, you still need to morph your cannonball into a proning position (I believe it gets you out of any flip or roll) to register your shot.  Now, the second bit would be different if you could register your saw while flipping. 
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Offline Lumen-Shroom

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Re: Saw while backflipping
« Reply #51 on: August 13, 2008, 03:53:41 pm »
Reaction time isn't an issue. The best sawwers can pluck an enemy flying past pronejetting and use ~5 ammo.

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Re: Saw while backflipping
« Reply #52 on: August 13, 2008, 11:09:29 pm »
I like the idea, it should be implemented. For guns this should mean a spiral spray, right? Not the contra jump attack that most people think.

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Re: Saw while backflipping
« Reply #53 on: August 14, 2008, 03:37:17 am »
Reaction time isn't an issue. The best sawwers can pluck an enemy flying past pronejetting and use ~5 ammo.

Yes, while moving forward.
While moving backward, you have minimal time to react (because of your sight - the most you can see is half a screen) then you still need to move your cursor to aim back forward before proning
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Re: Saw while backflipping
« Reply #54 on: August 23, 2008, 06:13:07 pm »
You can saw people while backflipping, but the middle of the saw won't do it, as normal. Only the tip.

Proof at the end of this demo. When I backflip into PreParing in the flagspawn.


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Re: Saw while backflipping
« Reply #55 on: August 23, 2008, 06:26:36 pm »
Hmm... I really don't think its possible (I think its due to lag, like how some people say the person died and still capped). I tried doing something like that against bots. Didn't work. And my "Ammo" was not reduced. Only the sound was played.

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Re: Saw while backflipping
« Reply #56 on: August 23, 2008, 11:31:17 pm »
Yeah that's what happens to me.
Looks like the YESs outnumber the NOs quite a lot
I do hope they will implement this
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Re: Saw while backflipping
« Reply #57 on: August 24, 2008, 01:13:09 am »
It needs 90% support from the community before it's officially a public request, then they will consider adding it. 

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Offline Extacide

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Re: Saw while backflipping
« Reply #58 on: August 26, 2008, 04:48:21 pm »
I think someone doing a back flip with a saw has a better chance of shredding his own limbs off than anything else.

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Offline Lumen-Shroom

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Re: Saw while backflipping
« Reply #59 on: August 26, 2008, 06:18:33 pm »
I think someone doing a back flip with a saw has a better chance of shredding his own limbs off than anything else.

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