I h8 Minimi!

[Charri]

It is overpowerd superfast sprayingmacine!! Hope the power is lower in 1.5....

[cunchy]

... Please explain?

[-Zombie-]

If you think it's so super fast and overpowerd than why don't you use it? It's easy learn how to use it good, and in my opion the best in trench war lol.

[Ziem]

Yes its so f***ing overpowered that almost no one uses it in gathers and cw's,
sure you're 130% right.

Compare it to the other weapons.

[Gnoblar]

Isn't there another thread saying "Minimi Overpowered"?

Anyway. I think it's great, any weapon can beat it, except Barrett (bink). It's excellent, but fair, not many people use it.

[STM1993]

It is overpowerd superfast sprayingmacine!! Hope the power is lower in 1.5....

I think the Minimi's fine as it is.

And to quote from the originally Minimi topic...

Minimi IS overpowered! I h8 when someone sprays with it in R/S!! If i have barret or ruger i can't hit bcuz of massive bink!! We shall lower the dmg and speed!

That's the weakness of those guns: Being binked. That's one purpose of ALL autos that they all share in common: binking those guns.

Anyway, for Realistic weapons, no one has yet to come up with a good balance yet. But if I'm not wrong, the balance would be roughly (I'm not a realistic player):

Nerf the Ruger and the autos (except Minigun). Buff the Barrett, LAW and M79 and Minigun.

Let me give you some statistics:

The XM214 MINIGUN is the auto with the fastest firing rate and highest bullet speed, but not practical and low damage.

The MP5 is the 2nd fastest and lowest bullet speed. The Aug is the 3rd fastest and has the 3rd highest bullet speed. The AK is the slowest and 2nd lowest bullet speed. Minimi is 2nd slowest and 2nd fastest bullet speed.

In terms of popularity:
1. Steyr Aug
2. AK-74
3. MP5 / Minimi (I can't remember)



Apparently, he wants to nerf the Minimi because:

1. He probably plays in Realistic (where the balance isn't really discussed)
2. He is probably is a Barrett-user
3. He is definitely biased: He forgot important details such as other guns and his ideas are based on purely feelings
4. He has not learnt to play against the Minimi or use a Minimi himself.



I'm sorry, your reasoning for the Minimi being overpowered is not valid. Please elaborate.

[Fluffy]

Minimi has the second slowest reloading time for an auto (after the Minigun) and has the second slowest (after the AK-74) fireinterval out of autos, it has high movement accuracy and doesn't kill very fast. Its advantages lie on the second largest magazine in the game and good bullet speed.

I absolutely hate going against shotgunners because they can kill so fast. One accurate shot and I'm barely alive, another shot in my general direction and I'm finished. MP5 and Steyr users also kill very fast, not to talk about Rugers, M79's and Deagles. The only weapon I can truly relax against is the Minigun. Good Barreteers aren't such easy prey for Minimi as is usually thought. They can time their shot to kill me before my first bullet even hits them.

Therefore Minimi users have to master the movement accuracy and have to be good at dodging. We simply can't afford mistakes.

[a-4-year-old]

Yes its so f***ing overpowered that almost no one uses it in gathers and cw's,

Thats meaningless, in fact it is more than meaningless since the balance should never cater to the gathers and clan wars.

[Shadow G-Unit]

It is overpowerd superfast sprayingmacine!! Hope the power is lower in 1.5....

*cough*doesn't know how to use Minimi right and can't deal that it's good when used right so he comes to SoldatForums and b*tch about it*cough*

[BLANK]

True dat, all is fair in Minimi and War.
Clearly its a fair weapon so end of story and this should be locked before we have an exact replica of the "Minimi Overpowered" topic.

[Sir Jeremy]

Why Do we keep Making Posts about the Minimi?

I Think the gun Is Good as it is..No Need to Nerfe it or de-nerfe it.

Just learn ways to counter it.

[TheWind]

Just stop whining and learn to counter it 

[cunchy]

In Realistic, the Minimi is probably overpowered. In normal mode, I doubt that.

[SDFilm]

Alot of good (though by no means new) points have been made here.

If the Minimi is such a grossly overpowered killing machine, then I'm sure lots of people would love to use it when looking for that competetive edge. But they don't. Only the Minigun, LAW and maybe Deagles are less used than the Minimi. I'd guess that it took you to be pwned by a minimier in a server for you to remember what MM put in the 9th choice of the weapon menu.

I've recently starting playing on Realistic mode alot (ive tried not to touch it for years), and I've found that it can be quite powerfull when either using it as the machine it is by going prone and rapid fireing, or tap fireing on the move. It's very powerfull, but I can't yet say if it's truely overpowered since I don't have much experiance with the other weapons in Realistic mode.

[excruciator]

Alot of good (though by no means new) points have been made here.

If the Minimi is such a grossly overpowered killing machine, then I'm sure lots of people would love to use it when looking for that competetive edge.

Or it would have a very stable niche market with some individual(such as SDFilm)always trying to advertize its usefulness.

But seriously, right now, its on the verge of being overpowered. But the boost its gonna get in 1.5.0 is surely going to make it overpowered.

[SDFilm]

^ Maybe I'll also add grenades to that market. You like those alot too.

And that 2nd centance was the 'but seriously' part? Now how would it be overpowered?

[STM1993]

But seriously, right now, its on the verge of being overpowered. But the boost its gonna get in 1.5.0 is surely going to make it overpowered.

Is that so? The bullet push is reduced to 75% (seems to be more of a nerf), and the only buff is probably just having bink to -8 instead of the current -12. I don't know if the bullet push reduction is going to make it weaker or stronger though.

And yes, I'm pretty confident that the Minimi is overpowered in Realistic though (I'm not a realistic player, but from what I've experienced so far). Movementacc 2 and the high bink - the gun's now too easy to control.

[excruciator]

This is 1.4.2 still, where Minimi got a buff, and people are starting to complain about it.
1.5 minimi is going to get another buff, My gut tells me that is going to be more powerful than it should.


STM datamaster, please evoke the new 1.5 balance into this world!

[STM1993]

Uh oh, I just realized it's buffed more than just the bink reduction according to the latest one so far I've got called "Training". Which was quite along time ago, and we've not gotten any new updates about the new weapons, wonder if the balance has been set?

// Minimi       dmg +1, reload -20, moveacc -1, bink +4

[FN Minimi]
Damage=86
FireInterval=9
Ammo=50
ReloadTime=230
Speed=270
BulletStyle=1
StartUpTime=0
Bink=-8
MovementAcc=3
Recoil=0

But ya, the +4 bink is just enough for the Minimi. It doesn't need more buffs.

The only buff/nerf I'd like to see is the self-bink value.

Minimi's good enough.

This is what I would deem fitting as well. But since the general tone of the next version is to have stronger and more user-friendly weapons, all weapons will be buffed more than needed and those nerfed will be nerfed less than needed. I personally consider the current experimental Minimi to be pretty fine for that goal. Perhaps it's the other weapons that aren't as good.

[LtKillroy]

I have to say that for a very long time (over a year) I thought the minimi was garbage. Then I tried it once, and it is significantly better than I thought it was. I think that is the main problem, like others have said, if you aren't used to getting owned by it, it seems overpowered when you do. It does have its uses and I like the gun a lot, but IMO the AK does a very similar job but is slightly better.