Inf_Area1C3

[Flying Dutchman]

Hi all. It's been quite a while since I've been active in soldat. But the collaboration with Schmikko (Mothafix) got me inspired to start mapping again, and here's the result. I fished up an old crappy map I never bothered to finish; to turn it into this infiltration map.
The map hasn't been playtested very thoroughly, so once again bug reports, suggestions, improvements, ideas, friendly critique, waypoints and ganja are all very welcome indeed.

Overview

Tunnel
Cavern
Above ground
Underground base
Dock

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[Mothafix]

Map is excellent. I like the cannon gadget nade shooting machine there and atmosphere is cold.

Perfect map, nothing to improve.

Date Posted: August 30, 2008, 03:26:25 pmBad ass map really.

[ElSpec774]

Absolutely disgusting and horrible map.

It's so damn buggy, due to very bad polygon placements.  You could cut the polygon count in half and still achieve the same visuals.

That truck with the medic kits only slow players down, get rid of it.

Nothing visually interesting or unique about this map, multi-texture would be 10X better.  You always seem to malina.bmp in your map Dutchman.  Why is this?  Because you're not good at any other texture?  If that's the case, then you need to practice instead of releasing crap maps like this.  tw_Gloryhill is your only good map anyway, and that's only because VirtualTT improved it.

The map is tight and gameplay is way too close combat.  Upper route is a spray and camping fest.  Due to the inner layout, I can imagine most players will only camp within the flag region.

Those mountain backgrounds are so poorly done, it's not even funny.  Unless you practice and learn, don't do something in a map that you're able to do.

That cannon is ****.

Did I mention everything?

Map is excellent. I like the cannon gadget nade shooting machine there and atmosphere is cold.

Perfect map, nothing to improve.

Date Posted: August 30, 2008, 03:26:25 pmBad ass map really.

And that's where you fail at mapping and life.

[Mothafix]

Absolutely disgusting and horrible map.

It's so damn buggy, due to very bad polygon placements.  You could cut the polygon count in half and still achieve the same visuals.

That truck with the medic kits only slow players down, get rid of it.

Nothing visually interesting or unique about this map, multi-texture would be 10X better.  You always seem to malina.bmp in your map Dutchman.  Why is this?  Because you're not good at any other texture?  If that's the case, then you need to practice instead of releasing crap maps like this.  tw_Gloryhill is your only good map anyway, and that's only because VirtualTT improved it.

The map is tight and gameplay is way too close combat.  Upper route is a spray and camping fest.  Due to the inner layout, I can imagine most players will only camp within the flag region.

Those mountain backgrounds are so poorly done, it's not even funny.  Unless you practice and learn, don't do something in a map that you're able to do.

That cannon is ****.

Did I mention everything?

Map is excellent. I like the cannon gadget nade shooting machine there and atmosphere is cold.

Perfect map, nothing to improve.

Date Posted: August 30, 2008, 03:26:25 pmBad ass map really.

And that's where you fail at mapping and life.

Attention! Wanna be ViggoloNiggolo has spoken. Everyone ignore him!
Edit: At least I haven't spend my whole life making maps like you. So sad.

[ElSpec774]

Ignore?  I'm one of the few people of this useless ****ing forum who gives constructive mapping advice.

If you can't harsh criticism with maps, then you're not only a pussy, you can't take improvement.

And it's only be 4 years, is that really long?

[Mothafix]

Ignore?  I'm one of the few people of this useless ****ing forum who gives constructive mapping advice.

If you can't harsh criticism with maps, then you're not only a pussy, you can't take improvement.

Not my map. My comment only.
At least I don't post 7 maps separately to get attention.
I won and I'm off.

[ElSpec774]

I'm talking to anyone in general.

And those were fixed and improved.  better to release them simultaneously then from time to time.

Can't think of good ways to insult me huh?

[Flying Dutchman]

Yes, I cannot multitexture and I really like this texture, and no, I don't want to spend so much time in mapping, it's just something fun fun to chill some. I'm not somebody who makes maps to be good at it or show it off to other people and get attention. It's just a relaxing time killing activity.
Anyhow... thanks for your critique, I'll take it with me.
But... follow some social course or something cause you could've achieved the same goal, the same critics, the same message with a much friendlier use of words, and it's much more pleasing to the eye ya know.

What's exactly bad about the cannon. Don't take it to serious, it's just a fun gadget for people to mess around with if they like, but don't expect to much of it. It's better to snipe lying on the barrel of the cannon.

You could take life abit less serious and just chill out more. It isn't always about being seriously the best in everything, making everything as effective, smooth, pretty and just universally good as possible. If you see a bad map, like you did now, sit back and see the fun of it, instead of burning it down furiously like I committed a terrorist attack on your mental being... And if you say I did, you are the pussy here than.

Edit:

Can't think of good ways to insult me huh?

That sounds like you're expecting others to offend you. But are we really here to insult eachother? And might that be why you're posting your critics in such a negative way? Just to insult people? Or are you showing defensive behaviour, offending other before they can offend you.

[ElSpec774]

I only post like an ass if the map is THAT bad.  And as far as I can tell, this map indeed does suck.  Good that you took my critique, hope it'll improve your mapping skills and you can make something great in the future. 

Everyone should at least know how to multi-texture and this is a map that would go great for it.  Really kills the potential.  And I doubt most players will even use the cannon and it tends to only fire upwards.

And as the forum has been going downhill, so has my kind-meter scale.

If you feed the troll good maps, he won't cause harm.  If you feed him bad maps, I think we'll know what will happen.

[Mothafix]

I only post like an ass if the map is THAT bad.  And as far as I can tell, this map indeed does suck.  Good that you took my critique, hope it'll improve your mapping skills and you can make something great in the future. 

Everyone should at least know how to multi-texture and this is a map that would go great for it.  Really kills the potential.  And I doubt most players will even use the cannon and it tends to only fire upwards.

And as the forum has been going downhill, so has my kind-meter scale.

If you feed the troll good maps, he won't cause harm.  If you feed him bad maps, I think we'll know what will happen.

He has already made good maps.

Multitexture is for people who can't make nice looking maps with one texture, which is harder to make and you just can't use the cannon.

[ElSpec774]

From what I've seen, it's only tw_Gloryhill.

And some maps and their concepts work best with multi-textures.  Honestly, if you look at this map, it looks very bland and repetitive.  Now, if he used a multi-texture, that'd be a totally different story.

[Suowarrior]

But are we really here to insult eachother? And might that be why you're posting your critics in such a negative way? Just to insult people? Or are you showing defensive behaviour, offending other before they can offend you.

I kind of like ElSpec's style to comment maps it makes more interesting reading forum. Also it's counterbalance for jrgp's comments which are usually "not too bad for first" "very good" that kind of stuff. That means it gives a challenge a bit more, if every map that is published get ranked excellent (and only few of them are really worth of that), it doesn't help anyone's to delvelop his skills.

[Blacksheepboy]

Multitexture is for people who can't make nice looking maps with one texture...

Woah, that's a big statement there. It's like saying: people that use new equipment as opposed to old are incompetent. Most of the time, it takes more time and effort to multitexture make the job look pleasing.  I understand this is not always the case...

Yes, I vote with Specialist that you at least change the texture.

[Mothafix]

Multitexture is for people who can't make nice looking maps with one texture...

Woah, that's a big statement there. It's like saying: people that use new equipment as opposed to old are incompetent. Most of the time, it takes more time and effort to multitexture make the job look pleasing.  I understand this is not always the case...

Yes, I vote with Specialist that you at least change the texture.

Well, I take that back a little. Sometimes people use multitexture just to make the map look nice, when it could've been done with single texture. But you're right.

And to clear things up, my first post wasn't serious.

[Mr. America]

I think such arguing should have have happened in a chat. or per pm. or in rl.

I like the map but it´s a bit plain. plain white. rly.

[Flying Dutchman]

Man, this turned into a discussion about "how-to-map" to much. I'm not here to "raise my skill" or be "the king of the maps". I'm just sharing my little home-cooked maps with you guys...

But are we really here to insult eachother? And might that be why you're posting your critics in such a negative way? Just to insult people? Or are you showing defensive behaviour, offending other before they can offend you.

I kind of like ElSpec's style to comment maps it makes more interesting reading forum. Also it's counterbalance for jrgp's comments which are usually "not too bad for first" "very good" that kind of stuff. That means it gives a challenge a bit more, if every map that is published get ranked excellent (and only few of them are really worth of that), it doesn't help anyone's to delvelop his skills.

I see your point, and I agree. things should not be like "not too bad for first" "very good". But things shouldn't be the complete opposite like "Absolutely disgusting and horrible map." either IMO. And besides that saying things like "tw_Gloryhill is your only good map anyway, and that's only because VirtualTT improved it." sounds like he wants to insult me on purpose. The statement goes way beyond this topic and has nothing to do with this map whatsoever...

But let's head back ontopic... To much slow-chat...

[Blue-ninja]

El_Spec's posting style when a map is geniunely as bad as he mentions, is what I like to call constructive b*tching.

[~Niko~]

Yes, I cannot multitexture and I really like this texture, and no, I don't want to spend so much time in mapping, it's just something fun fun to chill some. I'm not somebody who makes maps to be good at it or show it off to other people and get attention. It's just a relaxing time killing activity.
Anyhow... thanks for your critique, I'll take it with me.
But... follow some social course or something cause you could've achieved the same goal, the same critics, the same message with a much friendlier use of words, and it's much more pleasing to the eye ya know.

What's exactly bad about the cannon. Don't take it to serious, it's just a fun gadget for people to mess around with if they like, but don't expect to much of it. It's better to snipe lying on the barrel of the cannon.

You could take life abit less serious and just chill out more. It isn't always about being seriously the best in everything, making everything as effective, smooth, pretty and just universally good as possible. If you see a bad map, like you did now, sit back and see the fun of it, instead of burning it down furiously like I committed a terrorist attack on your mental being... And if you say I did, you are the pussy here than.

Edit:

Can't think of good ways to insult me huh?

That sounds like you're expecting others to offend you. But are we really here to insult eachother? And might that be why you're posting your critics in such a negative way? Just to insult people? Or are you showing defensive behaviour, offending other before they can offend you.

Exellent. You are right