Magic the Gathering

[Smegma]

The most fun deck (and probably the worst one I used) was to have a 2/2 creature with shadow and buffed with permanent enchantments. its basically a steady unstoppable drain on their health.

Unless they get rid of it or render it useless, or it doesn't see play.

[Iq Unlimited]

Answers to a4yo's deck: Oblivion Ring, Swords to Plowshares, Cruel Edict, Lightning Bolt + Lightning Bolt + Lightning Bolt, I can go on forever.


I've played MTG for 5 years now, I've found out that UGwr (Blue Green white red) or UGwb (Blue Green white black) Countertop Threshhold is one of the most unstoppable decks out there that doesn't use an entire deck built around 1 combo like Stompy or the Turn 0 Kill decks. Nimble Mongoose + Counterbalance + Sensei's Divining Top + a 3 or 4 mana curve deck that the opponent is using = you can't resolve any cards onto the field...ever, while I smash you for 6 every turn, or I play a Tarmagoyf and dump my hand into my graveyard and smash you for 4 or 5 on turn 3 . Also, answer to turn 0 combo decks: Force of Will, the 24 dollar counter that is a must-have if you play noobs with combo decks. Also Also: I play Legacy and Extended, because I am a wimp and don't like buying tons of new cards every 6 months.

[Smegma]

So how do you feel about the Top being banned in EXT?

[Iq Unlimited]

I don't mind, i just take the cbs and tops out for extended and throw in some counters and creature kills and it works fine.

[a-4-year-old]

The most fun deck (and probably the worst one I used) was to have a 2/2 creature with shadow and buffed with permanent enchantments. its basically a steady unstoppable drain on their health.

Unless they get rid of it or render it useless, or it doesn't see play.

well you never use just one shadow, its not like its the only card in the deck. Besides, its a white deck, you could prevent all the damage in the world if you wanted to.

Also those are all really bad ways of getting rid of it, and that black card sucks ass

A friend of mine made a deck around the card "rolling stone" most of his creatures were walls, he made it basically impossible to damage him with creatures, then once he pulls a rolling stone he can break out on the offensive, I think he also had an intrepid hero.

[LtKillroy]

I also use a 40 card shadow esque deck. Works pretty well with dark rituals getting out 3/1 shadows on the first turn. @IQ, thats kinda my point, the chances of me ever actually getting swords to plowshares, lightening bolts, etc. are slim, so I make do with what I got. Since all my friends play we don't take it too seriously, but my one friends goblin deck wins just about every time. (4 siege gang commands, 4 goblin warchiefs, 4 goblin kings, 4 spikeshot goblins, few war elementals and some filler goblins)

[Ziem]

I've been playing MtG for around 5 years, T2 of course, because extended ... sucks ... ;d

The best CCG I've ever played.

a-4-year-old - this "one buffed shadow" deck doesnt really work against a good opp, because one 'destroy' or 'remove from the game' effect ruins your game.

And your friends deck fails against mass removal or direct damage :D

[a-4-year-old]

a-4-year-old - this "one buffed shadow" deck doesnt really work against a good opp, because one 'destroy' or 'remove from the game' effect ruins your game.

A shadow is the perfect compliment for a white weenie deck.

[Iq Unlimited]

You know what kills White Weenie decks? CounterTop combo. If you resolve one card on me I would be amazed.

@Killroy yeah, thats understandable, seeing as how much money they cost these days. I play nothing but legacy and extended, those cards are mostly required in a 1.5 or 1.x deck, and i play for money these days, haven't played a casual game in months, thats why I talk like everyone has these cards, because most of my friends do have them . Also @ Goblins: goblins win because they are goblins. That's obvious.

[Smegma]

a-4-year-old - this "one buffed shadow" deck doesnt really work against a good opp, because one 'destroy' or 'remove from the game' effect ruins your game.

A shadow is the perfect compliment for a white weenie deck.

Uhm, unblockable is better than shadow.

So its a white weenie deck which plans to chump with weenies, break through with shadow, prevent damage, pump?

You know what kills White Weenie decks? CounterTop combo. If you resolve one card on me I would be amazed.

I like to play magic when I play it.

[a-4-year-old]

You know what kills White Weenie decks? CounterTop combo. If you resolve one card on me I would be amazed.

Yes, go spend your hundreds of dollars crafting decks full of rares, I'm going to go talk to girls.


It's a white weenie deck that makes it difficult for damage to sneak through, renders their creatures useless (either by killing with combat damage, smite, or pacifism etc...) since just about nobody uses shadow creatures its equivalent to unblockable/fear

[Smegma]

How many pacifisms do you run, how many cards total?

Are you running flyers? What about direct damage? What about counters?

[Iq Unlimited]

Yes, go spend your hundreds of dollars crafting decks full of rares, I'm going to go talk to girls.

Neither of them are rares, in fact, none of the cards in my deck other than tarmogoyf are rare, and if you took out the 4 Tarmogoyfs, the deck costs ~75 dollars.

Counterbalance X2
Sensei's Divining Top X2
Price on Troll and Toad:
18$. Cheap.

Also: White weenie decks are stupid to use against anything other than a casual deck, they just don't have the answers to all the different cards you're going to see at any tournament in any format. In casual, however, when you know your opponents cards, its easy to plan ahead and find answers to everything.

Btw a4yo: I have a life, you spend your life flaming people on the SF.

[a-4-year-old]

I guess if we are talking tournament play you'd be stupid to use that deck over a black deck with the rack, you just have them discard all their cards. you could just terror anything they actually get out.

[Smegma]

I guess if we are talking tournament play you'd be stupid to use that deck over a black deck with the rack, you just have them discard all their cards. you could just terror anything they actually get out.

That's its only weakness?

[Iq Unlimited]

terror = worst black removal spell EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
who even runs the rack in a tournament? I checked the top 8 on the last 15 or so Type 2 tournaments and I didn't see a single one in the 5 decks with black in them.

in a nutshell, white weenie = bad goblins with pacifism and damage preventers. the moral of this argument: dont run white weenie, run anything else, unless everyone you play against sucks, then run it all you want .

[Smegma]

Do you ever play limited, Iq?

[excruciator]

explain to me why is Mutavault such a overrated card. I know its a very flexible card, but 50$ a pop? come on.

[Iq Unlimited]

Do you ever play limited, Iq?

No. , im 1.x all the way. But I'm just going off of what i find out in the top 8s in all the type 2 tournaments, so im talking logically instead of bumbling my way through something i dont know about.

Also: mutavault 50$? Where? I can buy them down the street for 25, thats worth as much as a tarmogoyf and the goyf is way more useful than a mutavault, unless your playing landstill or something stupid like that.

[a-4-year-old]

terror = worst black removal spell EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

no Dark banishing is worse, you're full of shit.

who even runs the rack in a tournament? I checked the top 8 on the last 15 or so Type 2 tournaments and I didn't see a single one in the 5 decks with black in them.

Its a better than you're shitty deck.

in a nutshell, white weenie = bad goblins with pacifism and damage preventers. the moral of this argument: dont run white weenie, run anything else, unless everyone you play against sucks, then run it all you want .

In a nutshell I don't play tournaments, and a white weenie is perfectly fine for casual play, and from the beginning I said it was a bad deck so thank you for telling me something I already know.