Spas- Needs a nerf.

[Ziem]

Geez.. he just said that they are already possible.

[RedNeck]

Oh that boogyman was getting unloaded into.. I just kinda shot and it hit. Pure luck lol.

[STM1993]

Sorry for reviving this old thread, but I have a suggestion to balance the Spas, but it would require something that can't be done from the weapon.ini.

Why not give the Spas a bigger pellet spread? That way, it solves the issue of range for the Spas and then it can be better balanced. Spas' range has been arguably too long, but I believe its close ranged potential is not strong enough.

I'll show a diagram in this post later.



EDIT:
http://img249.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diagram1uj0.png
Take a look at diagram 1. That's one of the bigger spreads of the Spas. That's really not much of a spread. That's why at long range the Spas can do a lot of damage, which is actually a little too strong.

http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diagram2ue3.png
Now take a look at diagram 2. The spread looks (ridiculously) bigger, but do you realize that by giving it a bigger spread, it can help remove that range problem and at the same time, it can still do heavy damage at close range?



With a bigger spread, the range problem is solved. Then we can increase the Spas' damage, tweak the bullet speed a little bit, +1 ammo and do not need to worry about having the Spas becoming too powerful at long range.

If the spread were NOT to be changed, doing the same balancing as above would give a totally different effect. It would mean the Spas can do too heavy damage over long range, which is problematic.


Range shouldn't be a problem for a short-ranged weapon user as long as you have the speed to catch up.


Developers, any way to do that?

[Warchild]

Spas' range has been arguably too long, but I believe its close ranged potential is not strong enough.

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What?

[jettlarue]

A steady linear increase of spread would be ok, but definately not to that degree. Maybe 5-10 pixel increase at 30m?

[STM1993]

A steady linear increase of spread would be ok, but definately not to that degree. Maybe 5-10 pixel increase at 30m?

Probably, that diagram is shown in a more exaggerated manner.

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What?

You can trust me on that. How the hell can a shotgun have such little spread and still deliver heavy damage over longer distances? Don't tell me that the Spas is meant to do so much damage over long distances, because with a Spas you're supposed to charge in at high speed and blast, and given the Spas' boosting ability it can't be too bad. Short range is never a problem when you have speed. People who do not know how to use a weapon would always say it is too weak, but those who can master a weapon might even say that a weapon is overpowered.

With this change, it is possible that:

The Bullet Speed, if increased, not only increases the speed in which the pellets fly and how far the pellets will travel but would ALSO mean that the shotgun pellets will spread over a larger area.

[Ziem]

Current spas is ok, bullet speed makes it weak on long range.. such nerf would destroy the weapon imo :q

It's not overpowered, it's easily countered with any weapon when you just keep your distance. Also, long range shots aren't a problem.

[STM1993]

I reckon it's still worth a try.

[-Major-]

I see the spas rather underpowered than overpowered. but, I find the autos push way scarier than the spas push, as the auto push is great on such a long distance. and, almost any weapon can beat spas in combination of a nade, ofc the same goes for spas.

[LtKillroy]

And I was of the opinion that the SPAS sucked and no one used it on almost any map for any reason other than screwing around. With the exception of Hexer but that's a mod. Disagree.

[Extacide]

Spas does NOT have any range issues, and infact range is spas's greatest weakness with which to exploit. It has a very limited array of maps that it can be used effectively with no disadvantages.

[Gotfryd]

I agree with STM's suggestion. Spas shouldn't have so big spread as in diagram 2, but surely it can be bigger than now.
Imo this should work out just as STM said.
And one more thing - many times when I used Spas I fought against multiple wounded enemies packed in a crowd and I wished it had bigger spread so I'd be able to deal damage to many of them instead of overkilling just one of them.

[|_ancer]

The spas is good as it is already. It's a shotgun for all sakes. Shotguns do a lot of damage and should be good in close combat. It's already annoying that the bullets are already gone when you try to kill a person.

The range part I'm not really sure if it needs or wouldn't need a nerf. Even though it shoots far but it does less damage.

[croat1gamer]

dont forget that the bullet drop at long range is immense, and it is pretty hard to shoot to the other part of them map, cause you will need to shoot at 60 degrees so it lands on the other side of the screen, but the you dont see so well that what are you shooting

[Gotfryd]

Well, I've also thought that we don't have "area" weapons (weapons which can hit more then one enemy - not counting barrett and M79 here, they are specific), and I'd gladly see one.

[Lumen-Shroom]

And I was of the opinion that the SPAS sucked and no one used it on almost any map for any reason other than screwing around. With the exception of Hexer but that's a mod. Disagree.

You haven't fought Cappy or Aeon, have you.