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Offline Sir Jeremy

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Re: Maps: alpha or bravo?
« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2008, 11:25:05 pm »
On Kampf, Bravo has a good advantage IMO if they want to defend. 
Laos I think Alpha has the advantage.
Nuubia, Definantly Bravo.
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Re: Maps: alpha or bravo?
« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2008, 05:54:22 am »
on all that maps you've posted the percentage on Alpha is greater than of Bravo. . . i think or vice versa? ???

(Sorry if I am unintelligent, since the knowledge I have only comes from a school text book...)

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Re: Maps: alpha or bravo?
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2008, 06:56:50 am »
ctf_Laos:

Alpha has the advantage up top, where they have a slight height advantage thus are able to get to the middle faster and exploit this height advantage. Not always the case, but a skill gap in a match will make this painfully obvious.

Bravo has the advantage low, where alpha's side is a tunnel and is easily sniped/sprayed/whatever you want. It's uneven slope on the far right side also allows for cover, unlike alpha's side. The only advantage alpha can consider is the hole in the middle that provides cover from spray in the initial encounter.
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Re: Maps: alpha or bravo?
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2008, 08:15:13 am »
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Re: Maps: alpha or bravo?
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2008, 08:19:08 am »
In most maps, it doesnt matter which side you go on. Cause in the end, when you capture the flag, your just gonna have to turn around and go the other way.

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Re: Maps: alpha or bravo?
« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2008, 10:47:16 am »
ctf_Laos:

Alpha has the advantage up top, where they have a slight height advantage thus are able to get to the middle faster and exploit this height advantage. Not always the case, but a skill gap in a match will make this painfully obvious.

But bravo gets that wonderful spray hole. :)

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Re: Maps: alpha or bravo?
« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2008, 10:55:52 am »
in a match between clans of similar level bravo has more advantage on nubbia... that's my appreciation and the statistics agree.

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Re: Maps: alpha or bravo?
« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2008, 04:16:32 am »
I think blue can defend really well on kampf, so I would give them the advantage. I also think that matches end as a tie pretty often, and that the winner is settled by few caps.

btw, is there any stats for normal gathers? not realistic.

edit:  they do have logs, but not tool to make calculations from.  sooo.. who wants to make it?  :P

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Re: Maps: alpha or bravo?
« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2008, 03:07:53 pm »
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But bravo gets that wonderful spray hole.

It works both ways. Its a disadvantage pushing out, its an advantage coming back with the flag. Alpha gets the wide open space to make wide open maneuvers coming into Bravo base, and a lot of room to spray the spawn, law camp, etc. Over all though, alpha gets the height advantage, which means faster rushing. :/
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Re: Maps: alpha or bravo?
« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2008, 06:49:35 am »
Before maps started becoming symmetrical in design, it appears that the mapper designed the whole map, starting from Alpha and ending at Bravo, but usually with Bravo being lower down (as shown in B2b and Laos) or worse off (Kampf).

On the maps that are symmetrical, however, neither team has a playing field advantage.
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Re: Maps: alpha or bravo?
« Reply #30 on: October 21, 2008, 10:51:40 am »
I don't care but usually I choose bravo because of blue shirt.

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Re: Maps: alpha or bravo?
« Reply #31 on: October 21, 2008, 12:07:50 pm »
Alpha ! Red shirt rox !
Imo, maps are balanced, it's just a question of player preference (left/right sided) - someone already posted that alpha is better on most maps coz they rush from left to right, true.

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Re: Maps: alpha or bravo?
« Reply #32 on: October 21, 2008, 02:03:53 pm »
Wait, just a quick question, when reds hide in bush, can blues see their red shirt inside the bush or no?
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Re: Maps: alpha or bravo?
« Reply #33 on: October 22, 2008, 12:46:52 am »
Usually no I think.  Or else it's not clearly visible... does its purpose.
I personally like to rush >>> so I favour that team.
In Kampf, I somehow think spraying down the pit is easier than spraying down the ramp... I dunno why.  However, it's easier to get a nade down there in bravo, cause the alpha flag area is too sharp away from the pit.
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Re: Maps: alpha or bravo?
« Reply #34 on: October 22, 2008, 09:00:44 am »
Red ftw, i've always liked red dunno why, and now i have pure red cloth and hair and black face so it looks better with red.

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Re: Maps: alpha or bravo?
« Reply #35 on: October 22, 2008, 10:54:47 am »
Red ftw, i've always liked red dunno why, and now i have pure red cloth and hair and black face so it looks better with red.
I have allways liked blue ;S

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Re: Maps: alpha or bravo?
« Reply #36 on: October 22, 2008, 10:58:17 am »
my friend did that, bjarne betjent. When we played 1v1 it was always me joining red and he blue. always there was no doubt :D

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Re: Maps: alpha or bravo?
« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2008, 07:37:21 pm »
my friend did that, bjarne betjent. When we played 1v1 it was always me joining red and he blue. always there was no doubt :D
you two are so cute! lal

anyway,, I really wish soldat.gather had some map-stats. I watched the realistic and sctfl links above, and it told me that ash is pritty much the same on each side, which only proves that when the map is the same on both sides, noone have a advantage. however, on nuubia Bravo team has the best stats.. and I think it need to be played at least over 500 maps before you can conclude anything.
 interresting tho   but soldat.gather stats would be more interresting.
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Re: Maps: alpha or bravo?
« Reply #38 on: October 27, 2008, 01:32:42 am »
I choose Charlie team!  Amirdoinitrite?
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Re: Maps: alpha or bravo?
« Reply #39 on: October 27, 2008, 01:35:14 am »
Oh yeah green shirt rocks too (Delta?)
I guess you play dead better in bravo because the blood is more prominent...
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