Most unbalanced weapon !

[Gotfryd]

The minigun needs a slightly longer spin up time.

You think that minigun is too strong?!

[Flakes]

Underpowered weapon:
The Minigun

Overpowered:
D-eagles
Rugers

[Ziem]

Okay then, now explain why deagles are overpowered (the least used weapon in game, excluding minigun).

[Flakes]

D-Eagles just requires 4 shots to kill you.   

[Atashi]

3 if you head shot and I don't see many FN Minimi users in fact I see more Desert Eagles around than Minimi.

I think that Minigun is too underpowered and the Ruger and D-Eagles are too overpowered.

[STM1993]

Wrong. The DEs can kill in 3 shots (but 4 if the enemy is VERY far away), 2 headshots are possible if the range isn't that far. Each shot = 2 bullets. Naturally, it takes about 5 DE bullets to kill you.

The DEs are one of the best weapons in Soldat, but they are easily the most difficult weapons to master and use. You must run and gun, keep moving and shooting accurately. The main advantage of DEs is the fact that it has completely no bink and movementacc, making it 100% accurate, so assuming you are extremely good at aiming the DEs, you can practically take out 2 full-health opponents and 1 injured opponent with the 7 ammo it has per clip. Another advantage is its low bullet speed, which gives it an awkward angle and curve that can hit enemies over bad territory. However, its disadvantage also comes from its bullet speed - having a low bullet speed would mean that it is poor for long range and the bullets may be easy to dodge, so the DEs would require the user to be extremely fast and agile and be able to unload every round as quickly and accurately as possible. You cannot afford to miss - if you miss, you are basically as good as dead, even though its firing rate for a semi-auto is pretty fast. Fortunately, the DEs reload very fast too. The DEs are very powerful, especially in theoretical terms, but put the DEs in practice, you'd realize that the DEs may not be as powerful as they seem to be due to many other factors that must be considered - including player skill and terrain and the fact that both sides have secondaries and grenades etc. If anything, they need a buff, especially since they are the anti-autos (though if they miss or are not fast enough, the autos would own them).

Minimi is actually more popular than the DEs. They are easier to use (since they are autos with high bullet speed) and have very reliable DOT and DPS, plus they have 50 ammo. It tends to be inaccurate, but there have always been tactics to using the Minimi accurately (especially with the recently discovered flaw of bink overriding movementacc). Its only downside is its incredibly long reload. Due to its unexpectedly good accuracy, the Minimi is actually considered overpowered. Once its accuracy is given some tweaking, the Minimi would become an excellent weapon.

[Ziem]

D-Eagles just requires 4 shots to kill you.  

So? M79/brt/knife require 1 hit to kill. Also, Steyr kills in the same amount of time (most of the time) and is way easier. Mp5 is about the same in terms of time-to-kill and range, and is more reliable.

Most of you complaining about deagles should play soldat for more than 2 weeks, or try using them if they're so powerful.

Where are you Skoskav, .. ffs I need your gather/sctfl weapon usage stats...

[excruciator]

Prolly ret. It has no real application in gathers.

[tehsnipah]

Prolly ret. It has no real application in gathers.

*gasp* I use it!!

[excruciator]

Prolly ret. It has no real application in gathers.

*gasp* I use it!!

You any good?

but seriously, that thing is hard to use effectively in gather.

But it can be fucking amazing, and I'm telling you this from first hand experience.

[tehsnipah]

Prolly ret. It has no real application in gathers.

*gasp* I use it!!

You any good?

but seriously, that thing is hard to use effectively in gather.

But it can be fucking amazing, and I'm telling you this from first hand experience.

Well when Jeremy and I played in some gather match, I did it fairly well with it. The thing is that you gotta use yoru scope/camp.

[excruciator]

That works. But then you are not that great of a team member though.
But when you start battle sniping, boy.

I played 2 gathers. Everyone was using autos. But nobody could touch me. I can make a full cap run without losing more than 30-40% health. I was just running around shooting everyone. It was great.

But I couldn't pull that kind of s**t ever again. Dunno just lost that magical touch.

[Ziem]

I use brt on laos alt and it's quite good..

[-Major-]

DE is almost always 3 or 4 hit kill. I get more 3 hit kill than 4 hit kills. and more 2 hit kills than 5 hit kills.

[frosty]

Minigun, its too weak, that's why nobody uses it. it should have less recoil and self bink, higher firerate, and more damage to be worth it.

[tehsnipah]

DE is almost always 3 or 4 hit kill. I get more 3 hit kill than 4 hit kills. and more 2 hit kills than 5 hit kills.

It must be the player who's lagging alot making you overkill. Deagle ALWAYS take three shots to kill a player.

[-Major-]

teh snipah, form distance it's 4 hit kill, and also if you only hit the feet. 5 hit kill is if he's very far away. and 2 hit kill if you got a high speed and is close to your target, otherwise it's 3 hit kill.

[Xxypher]

When I snipe people from a really far distance, it is usually a one hit kill.

[tehsnipah]

When I snipe people from a really far distance, it is usually a one hit kill.

Large caliber, and it's very fast; so it makes sense.

[Twistkill]

When I snipe people from a really far distance, it is usually a one hit kill.

How far are we talking about here? If it's just outside of a screen away, then it's still a correct outcome because the Barrett, along with the LAW, is coded not to lose any of its damage after going outside of one screen, unlike the rest of the weapons. Bullets from the other guns were coded to lose about 50% more of their damage infliction when 1.4 was released to prevent sprayers from blindly firing outside of the screen and killing people. This is disadvantageous to people chasing the EFC in long maps like Run or B2B, but overall I find it be helpful in finding out where people might be coming from.

Also, the Barrett has the fastest bullet in the game at 550 speed. It's a sniper rifle. It's strong and fast with a large gap in between shots. It takes longer for it to start being affected by gravity, and combine this with the aforementioned facts above, its damage capability is virtually the same throughout an entire screen. However, if you miss, you need to find safety until you get another chance.

Now, as for the topic itself, I find that the minigun is definitely the most unbalanced weapon. It has a very large reload and its damage is too low to be used effectively. STM usually presents the argument that it's more of a support gun and it is an excellent binking/annoyance weapon. This might be true, but the primary goal of the game is to kill people and capture/hold flags. A very simple premise that cannot be carried through with the minigun because of its hindering abilities. You might use the minigun to surf your way across the map, but this will not indicate how much of a skilled player you are.

I also want to address the issue of the Minimi's supposedly unexpected high accuracy. What makes it overpowered, exactly? The bink/movementacc exploitation? I find that hardly plausible in a regular combat situation. I think that the gun is perfect just the way it is. I was originally upset with how it was nerfed from 1.3.1 to 1.4, but then I saw what Skoskav was talking about.

The movementacc of the Minimi (4) is negated slightly by depressing the movement keys, but unlike the Barrett, you need to keep a stream of bullets on your targets rather than just trying to nail one shot. This means you will fall down much farther than a Barrett user because you will be unable to aim long enough to kill someone if you need to immediately gain altitude due to an unexpected situation.