M79 Noob What the point ?

[Mitak]

That's because no other (one hit-kill) weapon destroys ego as much as M79. It has the greatest stopping power and when you get hit, you'll most likely slur on the ground, isn't that a humiliating and irritating way to die? LAW can't reload that fast, though it has the same effect (plus, it's a secondary whereas M79 is primary). Knife requires precise aim and gut feeling, snipers get binked, and m79 is mostly a NO hit-killer. So now you know the m79 noob myth.

When someone starts to teen about you killing him, wait a bit until everyone's sick of his whining. Then the majority can smash him with or without your help.

[Ragnaros]

i like the combination "M79 rushing", i think not only me saw crazy Majors (or Majors(1) or Major(13). no matter) jumping towards to you to make a shot from Very close

"(M79)<-------------->(you)"

distance    And then that kamikadze die in 3 or 4 seconds while reloading

that what i think "M79noob" means

PS: in one duel on airpirates(dm) one polish barret-only guy called me MG noob... i was shocked... 

[Kowalski]

personally i dont really mind if ppl use one particular weapon to kill me, even the m79.. u just choose a weapon ur just good at and pwn a bit.. but it does piss me off wen u hav the flag.. and ur runnin as fast as u can to capture it.. then some guy with a m79, or a sniper, or a knife runs right pas u and sends u and ur flag straight into hell.. but still.. if u die, u die. if u dont, well done

[Major Pain]

Personally, I'm not a fan of anyone who's using one-shot-kill weapons (except for granades).

Why? Farely simple really. Take two veteran players of equal skill.

how much time does it take from the moment you pressed fire till the moment your opponent dies, assuming great accuracy (something veterans should have).
With a sniper of M79, the opponent is dead in miliseconds. With other weapons, it usually takes 2-3 seconds of concetrated fire before you can bring the opponent down.
Simply put, such weapons require you to be precise only once and guarantee enemy death.
M79 is a far worse offender, given it's ease of use. I used it only once and it felt like cheating, that's how easy it was.

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Now, realisticly not all weapons are created equal - some simply are better. If this were a singleplayer game I'd say to heck with balance.
But it's mutli. Things should be balanced. M79 needs to be hit with a nerf bat.
In RL a minigun would be utterly, terribly brutal - so much that it wold make a M79 look like a squirt gun.  In Soldat it's practicely useless because you simply can't put it in the game as it is in RL.
Sooo...yea...what was I saying again?

[STM1993]

Actually, a grenade is not considered a 1-hitter, unless you throw it in the legs.

With a sniper of M79, the opponent is dead in miliseconds. With other weapons, it usually takes 2-3 seconds of concetrated fire before you can bring the opponent down.
Simply put, such weapons require you to be precise only once and guarantee enemy death.

Yes, that's precisely what the 1-hitters are supposed to be. They are meant to (usually) kill a single opponent in just one shot, so as to end fights as quickly as possible and not get caught up in a heated dog fight. It also reduces the amount of health you could have lost if you had stayed in such a heated battle too.

The disadvantage of all 1-hitters is firing rate. You miss, you die. You need to be accurate just for once, that's true, but not forgetting that your enemies move and dodge too.



I won't talk about the secondary 1-hitters.

The Barrett has a long fireinterval, which means you can dodge around a lot without affecting the delay it takes between shots, but you'd have to wait a while. 240 ticks is 4 seconds. It also has a startup time of 25, and it has really heavy bink and movementacc. The tactic against a Barrett is actually to charge at him and start shooting so as to disable him from his range advantage.

The M79 shoots once, then has a 3 second (180 tick) reload, which can be interrupted by moves like backflips or rolling. It has no startup time and negligible bink and movementacc. It has a short range (though it can make nice artillery shots and has muzzle velocity which adds the player's speed to the bullet speed), and its bullet speed is pretty low. The tactic to fight a M79er is not to charge directly towards him - you're supposed to play defensively against a M79er, basically keeping a distance. It fires explosive rounds, which means 100% kill even with vest and area of effect damage.



I don't find using 1-hitters anything like cheating, I find that it does require good aiming for shooting, as well as skill to survive as long as possible to land another shot.

[tehsnipah]

I guess for the simple answer; it's the easiest heavy packed gun to use from the primary weapon. Basically when you shoot from plain field, it'll fly up to one third of the screen. Also, because of the movement momentum when you move forward, it'll fly across half the game screen.

[-Major-]

Somebody tell me why, everone calls guys with M79, M79  Noob, Thats stupid Barrett, LAW Knife and Chainsaw too takes by one hit ?

Chainsaw is often 2 hit kill.

Personaly I find Ruger the most "nooby" weapon in soldat, as it's easy and great.

[Major Pain]

Yes, that's precisely what the 1-hitters are supposed to be. They are meant to (usually) kill a single opponent in just one shot, so as to end fights as quickly as possible and not get caught up in a heated dog fight. It also reduces the amount of health you could have lost if you had stayed in such a heated battle too.

The disadvantage of all 1-hitters is firing rate. You miss, you die. You need to be accurate just for once, that's true, but not forgetting that your enemies move and dodge too.

Which isn't such a big disadvantage since you got grenades and you can switch to a secondary almost instantly (and secondaries aren't weak...not to mention you can pick up any weapon as a secondary anyway)

[STM1993]

Your opponents have grenades and secondaries as well.

And it takes about 1 second to switch to a secondary.

[Major Pain]

1 second my a**.
Which is still too fast.

I've had a opponent miss me with a sniper rifle, then switch to a knife and kill me (more than once), and all the while I was pumping hot lead into him with some other weapon.

Secondary weapons could use a nerf too IMHO. The Five-Seven is on pair with an MP5. And the knife...just doesn't fit (bringing a knife to a gun fight?)

[STM1993]

1 second my a**.

Half of it to switch weapon, the other half to aim properly and wait for a fireinterval.

I've had a opponent miss me with a sniper rifle, then switch to a knife and kill me (more than once), and all the while I was pumping hot lead into him with some other weapon.

What's a Knife for?

It's a backup weapon and a quick finisher - miss = dead. Apparently you have failed to check for his knife.

Secondary weapons could use a nerf too IMHO. The Five-Seven is on pair with an MP5. And the knife...just doesn't fit (bringing a knife to a gun fight?)

Socom on par with MP5? No offense, but that's bullshit. MP5 has 62.6% of the Socom's damage and double the firing rate, is an auto, and slightly more bullet speed. It has more ammo than the Socom too. Socom is well-balanced, a small buff to damage could do though (it's still 6 shot kill no matter what). The MP5 is a freaking Primary, while the Socom is a damned secondary BACKUP weapon. I'm not gonna elaborate more about how the Socom is actually strong enough to act as a gun on its own but never stronger than any of the Primary weapons. If the Socom is indeed stronger than the MP5, it's the MP5 that's getting the buff, not the Socom getting the nerf. The socom does its function well, whereas the MP5 is simply getting overshadowed by the Steyr Aug.

Knife overpowered, sure, I'd agree with that, seeing it has really high versatility. Nothing wrong with using a knife in a gun fight if you can actually throw the knife, unlike if you're using a Saw where it can be very difficult.

Chainsaw? It needs more of a buff than a nerf.

LAW? It's fine, and some buffs to startup time and reload are welcome.

[Fale]

Sometimes i use M79 and ussocom instead of barrett and knife. People call me noob. Question is, why people call M79 a noob weapon? maybe because its too powerfull?

[Twistkill]

Sometimes i use M79 and ussocom instead of barrett and knife. People call me noob. Question is, why people call M79 a noob weapon? maybe because its too powerfull?

The general consensus on the M79 has typically been the fact that when the player is close enough, all you have to do is point and click. Even while rushing fast, the movementacc is negligible and the arc is actually an advantage, because it enables you to fire over obstacles and at weird angles. It's main downfall is low speed, so pull out your Ruger or Minimi and let him know who's boss.

The only problem with this is that on smaller or tighter maps, the M79 seems like a cheap weapon because there literally isn't enough room to exploit its speed weakness, and because it has splash damage, you will still get hurt even if they miss slightly, unlike the Barrett. The maps actually play a huge role in the advantages and disadvantages of the guns, and the M79 just demonstrates this the most, which is why it is often referred to as a noob weapon.

[LtKillroy]

The point of the phrase M79 noob is that hundreds of noobs on their first time playing see a grenade launcher think "Sweet kill in one hit weapon" and proceed to kamikaze rush for the rest of their "careers" never learning about or even caring that there are things like backflips and "aiming". Not saying everyone who uses the M79 is noob or that the M79 itself is noob, but it does have a certain affinity to noobs. Case closed.

[The Epic Guy]

Im suprised nobody locked this. This thread was open when i left the forums for 4 months. Lazy mods.

Backflips make noobs look like... well... noobs. Atleast when you see them coming and you have the chance.

I always wondered why the skilled noobs (WTF) dont use the spas12. But then again... yeah i do. Buff the spas12!

Offtopic: Hey killroy. Im back. I guess i can finally answer that question i left you.

[tehsnipah]

I have a question for the general M79 damage. If a player has a bullet proof vest and still gets a direct hit from the m79, will you die? Or have less than 10% of hp?

[Twistkill]

I have a question for the general M79 damage. If a player has a bullet proof vest and still gets a direct hit from the m79, will you die? Or have less than 10% of hp?

The M79 grenade is coded to be an instant kill no matter what. If you modify the weapons .ini and set its damage to 1, it will still kill a player in one hit even if they have a vest on.

[The Epic Guy]

I have a question for the general M79 damage. If a player has a bullet proof vest and still gets a direct hit from the m79, will you die? Or have less than 10% of hp?

The M79 grenade is coded to be an instant kill no matter what. If you modify the weapons .ini and set its damage to 1, it will still kill a player in one hit even if they have a vest on.

Im curious to know what negative damage would do.

[STM1993]

^ Negative damage causes you to be healed. But if you get hit directly by an explosive projectile (except grenades and cluster grenades), even if you have a vest and the damage is negative/0, you'd still die. The only way to survive is to either dodge or you happen to have a Flame God (the 10 second invulnerability, and in this case you won't die no matter what, but have only 1 hp) or you're god mode due to scripts.

[Espadon]

I remember instances where using flame god mode I was knocked to '0' health by a M79 shot. It doesn't seem to do any other damage on subsequent hits, but it is annoying when flame god turns off.