Ak-47 Or the Steyr?

[homerofgods]

maybe you want to think about what happens to the guns in the next verson? I think overall steyr is a nice choice compared to ak, but ak is better in some situations. it depends on what you like to play with, because that's what you are gonna be best at.
I don't think steyr is overpowered compared to other guns, it all depends on map and situation.

[Vilho]

I kind of prefer Steyr for it's faster, but it's easier to shoot an AK. It's not too fast, but more powerful and it even sounds better.

[Sir Jeremy]

Thanks everyone for their opinions I am currently training with the ak and using it in gathers, cw's to see how I like it, and how good I am at it.

Thanks for the tip SDFilm.

[SDFilm]

Glad to be of help, Sir Jeremy.


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[PQ]

Ak-74 okay, how many more want to tell me it?

Also, I like how the ak's bullets are almost invisible.
I think I might just stick with the "ak-47" and m79.

Thanks for the replies.

Let's hope that you're being sarcastic

[excruciator]

Steyr has a better ROF so is a better choice for nade users.

[ElGato]

Oddly enough I kind of thought most everyone was a nade user. Plus the ROF doesn't make all the difference when using a gun+grenade, it's more how fast the gun can put out damage.

[Therier]

What AK-47? There isn't even weapon called AK-47 in whole game, but I suppose that you mean AK-74, at least I let it be so.

You are defensive player so AK-74 and Steyr AUG could be good chosen to you as you say, but if you want to have more own gamestyle and be more unique player in this game you should be something different like Ruger or Desert Eagles, I know that those may not be choose to defensive player but I know couple players who at least used to be weapons like those at defend base.

But I'm not right guy to say that you should pick something other than AK-74 or Steyr AUG because I'm the one who is used to defend base by using AK-74. But I just want to give you hint that defending is possible by using other weapons than automatics, it's just harder and more risk, but that's the thing what gives respect in long way. Respect and fame, those are the things what many players wants to have, but can't get.

At least, think about it.

[tehsnipah]

Okay, calm down, we all know it's Ak-74. Let's just give jeremy time to fix it -_-

So all the people I see, Ak-74 is favorable in all position. Then why is it when I see an Ak-74 fight AUG, they always get teabagged by the AUG user......

[homerofgods]

Okay, calm down, we all know it's Ak-74. Let's just give jeremy time to fix it -_-

So all the people I see, Ak-74 is favorable in all position. Then why is it when I see an Ak-74 fight AUG, they always get teabagged by the AUG user......

because you are watching close combats, AK is better on range, and it can kill more people because of its clip, did you count that in? and also, maybe many people don't know how to use their gun.
I still think steyr is the best overal weapon, of those two,  though

[Therier]

Okay, calm down, we all know it's Ak-74. Let's just give jeremy time to fix it -_-

So all the people I see, Ak-74 is favorable in all position. Then why is it when I see an Ak-74 fight AUG, they always get teabagged by the AUG user......

Yeah, that is interesting then that overally AK users lose to Steyr users. Why it's so? I'm not sure why. But I just want to say that I think AK is more stable gun than Steyr. More bullets, more damage per one bullet, and slower also, and less bink. That's just what I think.

[excruciator]

Oddly enough I kind of thought most everyone was a nade user. Plus the ROF doesn't make all the difference when using a gun+grenade, it's more how fast the gun can put out damage.

Oddly enough, I uses nade as a tertiary, not primary.

Ever noticed that when you throw a nade, your stream of bullet gets a little inaccurate?
Well, if the weapon has a higher ROF, it's less of a problem because one or two bullet is bound to hit.
And that is pretty much all you need.

Okay, calm down, we all know it's Ak-74. Let's just give jeremy time to fix it -_-

So all the people I see, Ak-74 is favorable in all position. Then why is it when I see an Ak-74 fight AUG, they always get teabagged by the AUG user......

Yeah, that is interesting then that overally AK users lose to Steyr users. Why it's so? I'm not sure why. But I just want to say that I think AK is more stable gun than Steyr. More bullets, more damage per one bullet, and slower also, and less bink. That's just what I think.

Ak's DPS is just a little below that of steyr. But chances are no one can really gun with 100% efficiency. Ak loses to aug is mostly because of the player, not the gun.

[Therier]

Ak's DPS is just a little below that of steyr. But chances are no one can really gun with 100% efficiency. Ak loses to aug is mostly because of the player, not the gun.

I think that Steyr makes better burst damage than AK, but it's that only little time, AK makes more stable damage, because of that it's not so big mistake to miss couple shots, to Steyr user, it is.

[excruciator]

Ak's DPS is just a little below that of steyr. But chances are no one can really gun with 100% efficiency. Ak loses to aug is mostly because of the player, not the gun.

I think that Steyr makes better burst damage than AK, but it's that only little time, AK makes more stable damage, because of that it's not so big mistake to miss couple shots, to Steyr user, it is.

Steyr is really easy to use at probably 60-70% of its maximum efficiency. But it gets really hard if you try and kill an good aker solemnly on DPS due to the stray shots.

[tehsnipah]

Ak's DPS is just a little below that of steyr. But chances are no one can really gun with 100% efficiency. Ak loses to aug is mostly because of the player, not the gun.

I think that Steyr makes better burst damage than AK, but it's that only little time, AK makes more stable damage, because of that it's not so big mistake to miss couple shots, to Steyr user, it is.

Steyr is really easy to use at probably 60-70% of its maximum efficiency. But it gets really hard if you try and kill an good aker solemnly on DPS due to the stray shots.

It IS true that AUG needs at least 60~70% to kill a person. But this actually depends on the players also. It takes at least 9 shots to kill a guy, that is 1/3 of the AUG's clip. Seeing its horrible recoil, AUG has quite a handicap. But I did see few that was able to make everyshot worth it, about two to three people with one clip.

If people can burst shoot and get used to its recoil, then I personally think that AUG is the best automatic weapon.

[Therier]

Well let's go more deep on this discussion. AUG is maybe best automatic weapon on 1on1 situation. Because most of cases you are close enough to aim succesfull to kill your opponent using AUG. That is thing what I dont deny.

But AK is better gun to kill two opponent at same time because of size of the clip what you have. You dont need to reload your gun, and you dont have any problems with the bink of your gun.

And when we are going to think about how much good AUG users we know, the guys who are worth of mentioning, well first in my mind comes Tuksu(tin). Of course there is also other very good AUG users like Text Killer and so on, and what good AK users we know, well Ciesta is one of the best, no deny of that.

So what I'm trying to prove? Well there is more good AUG users than AK users. Why it's so? I think reason is because most/all good Soldat players play only/mostly Capture The Flag -gamemode. CTF is played 3on3 way, and there is one alt-route in most of the official maps. So almost every situation in game is 1on1, 1on2 or 2on2 fights. Because of that AUG is superb weapon because killing one weapon in every life is pretty good result. AUG is very good offensive weapon. I think it's better weapon to offensive playing style than AK.

But AK, is better defensive weapon, why it's so? Because as I told before, AK is better weapon in 1on2 situations than Steyr, because of larger clip and few other things like more damage per one bullet. Yes, bullets are slower, but when you are defensing and taking better place than attacker (above him and few other things like collidors etc) that isn't (big) problem.

And as defending you can avoid Steyr strenghts by taking more distance so AUG doesn't make so much damage. So while defending AK can win Steyr in 1on1 situation. But only then (when defending).

But if Steyr is better weapon and AK better defensive weapon, why AUG is more popular, why there is more good AUG users than better AK users? Well, I think it's because people like more attacking than defending. It's like that in soccer or ice hockey too. Maybe not in real leagues but in Soldat much guys do what they like to do. And don't forget that most clans which are using defender uses one defender, not two defender. And clans which are using attackers uses two attackers (or even three), not one.

That's how I see the case, what about you?

@tehsnipah

It IS true that AUG needs at least 60~70% to kill a person. But this actually depends on the players also. It takes at least 9 shots to kill a guy, that is 1/3 of the AUG's clip. Seeing its horrible recoil, AUG has quite a handicap. But I did see few that was able to make everyshot worth it, about two to three people with one clip.

Yeah, in theory it is like that, but then there is thing called latency in this game what makes it way harder, you know that, dont you?

[excruciator]

soldat != real life counter parts. The role of the weapon (def, off) is not that clear cut. Sniping is used mainly defensively, but in soldat it can be used offensively.
Personally I find great akers annoying because of their accuracy.

ehm.. If someone( STM1993 ) can find how much DPS you lose by missing one bullet for steyr or ak respectively, we just might find the gun that tolerate more miss, therefore easier to use.

[Lt. Sprizz]

yeah i say dont even try to label guns as defensive or offensive. They can be used in either situation.

Ex: The Minigun can be used on top of a hill to mow down oncoming players (defensive ), or you could jump off the top of hill and spray down on top them as you go by (offensive ).

I startde with the AUG but right now im switching to the ak. more ammo definitely helps multiple encounters.

[Therier]

Well, what I said about offensive and defensive parts of the both gun was based to Soldat and my own experience in this game, not even one piece of those was based on real-life.

[STM1993]

http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=26975.0
^ I don't think the information there is that reliable, but the calculation I made there is very accurate.

About DOT, AK would always lose to the Aug. Missing a shot for the AK is not an ammo issue due to high ammo, but a DOT issue due to slow firing rate. On the other hand, missing a shot for the Aug is an ammo issue but not a DOT issue. Aug has a higher chance of missing than AK though - and good AKers rarely miss.

AK's better at defensive than offense (though I classified it as Hybrid in my guide since it's kinda the jack of all trades but master of none - the true inbetween of semis and autos). Aug's one of the best offensive weapons. Don't get me wrong - any gun can be used in any situation, just that some are better in one and worse in others.



Offtopic:
I'm quite sad that the MP5's not really recognized though (it's also my favourite gun in CTF)... it's getting overshadowed by the Aug because of the Aug's high bullet speed and indirectly the firing rate too, otherwise the MP5's superior.