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APNG support in soldat?
« on: January 02, 2009, 07:48:32 am »
.gif support has been promissed but it's and old format and has some disadvantages like the 256 colours limit and no alpha-transparency.


There is a format: apng that doesn't have these 2 problems so it would be great if next to .gif's soldat could use these to a:

Needs firefox 3 or opera 9.5 to view properly:



With gif's the edges would be ugly


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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2009, 08:05:50 am »
nice. wish this could be added to soldat.

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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2009, 11:00:55 am »
Yeah, it would be great. Is the little ball meant to move so insanely fast on second .apng? (I'm using Opera 9)

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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2009, 12:46:33 pm »
apng would be awesome really as the files first frame can be viewed by a normal png viewer meaning there isn't any need for changes to polyworks to add apng to a map.

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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2009, 12:52:21 pm »
Q: While it's totally awesome, wouldn't it open mapping up to even more bloat abuse? I mean, I expect people will make rather bloaty images just for the sake of eye candy...
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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2009, 01:00:05 pm »
Q: While it's totally awesome, wouldn't it open mapping up to even more bloat abuse? I mean, I expect people will make rather bloaty images just for the sake of eye candy...


Well we have already .gif support the bad thing about it is that its really hard to make smooth animations especially for things like smoke where you really need the 8bit transparency that you have in png. And you can already do eyecandy except that its not as living ans when you have animations. And a map has to be playable for ppl to really play it as ppl won't play a map just for eye candy...

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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2009, 01:08:12 pm »
if I was the coder of this, I wouldn't do it :), and I doubt eC is more willing than me :D

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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2009, 01:10:58 pm »
I smell clouds...

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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2009, 01:38:09 pm »
I smell 500 mb scenery folder (now it has only 140mb)
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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2009, 01:57:48 pm »
good idea f12

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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2009, 08:44:11 pm »
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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2009, 10:11:24 pm »
Yes. F12.

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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2009, 05:38:36 am »
A square-ish square with animated flow. Just to see how powerful is APNG.

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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2009, 07:16:31 am »
Another feature I don't understand atm :D
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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2009, 08:23:37 pm »
..f11

I mean can't you just imagine the lag ><

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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2009, 09:01:19 pm »
F12...can't you just imagine the graphics!
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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2009, 11:07:16 pm »
Whats wrong with you, good graphics don't lie in animation, it's shadows/highlights/reflections/raycasting/dynamic lighting and all that shit that constitute good graphics.

Animations distract from the point of the game, and if they aren't done right, will ruin the whole thing looking like a nun at a rock concert.
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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2009, 05:24:45 am »
What's wrong with you, good graphics don't lie in animation, it's shadows/highlights/reflections/raycasting/dynamic lighting and all that s**t that constitute good graphics....

Yeah I agree. I like Soldat as it is.
I think better graphic will make it loose his charm, specially animations.


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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2009, 05:33:19 am »
Whats wrong with you, good graphics don't lie in animation, it's shadows/highlights/reflections/raycasting/dynamic lighting and all that s**t that constitute good graphics.

Animations distract from the point of the game, and if they aren't done right, will ruin the whole thing looking like a nun at a rock concert.
What's wrong with you, good graphics don't lie in animation, it's shadows/highlights/reflections/raycasting/dynamic lighting and all that s**t that constitute good graphics....

Yeah I agree. I like Soldat as it is.
I think better graphic will make it loose his charm, specially animations.



Well 1.5 will already have animations as in animated gif scenery however apng as a format is much better then gif.

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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2009, 05:44:57 am »
if it will be less laggy than .gif then f12 otherwise f11

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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2009, 06:24:32 am »
It will be more laggy since PNG images can support alpha channel, so they might be used for cloud effects or so...

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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2009, 12:54:09 pm »
i do not like lags... F11

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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2009, 02:44:20 pm »
F12

All the advantages of animated sceneries have been discussed in other threads.
GIFs are better than nothing, but APNG will help you go past limits that GIF has.
For those worried about map size - im sure that good mappers will consider that. Otherwise mapper's most likely a noob and the map isn't worth downloading. If you're worried about fps - dont forget that you can turn off animations completely. Animated sceneries don't create internet lag.


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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2009, 03:02:08 pm »
It would also be cool if you where able to control an image so you can make it move/stretch/transparent/rotate (using DirectX functions) so it's more resource friendly for some animations but I guess that would take more work to implement.

f.e.
- a light that fades in, stays on and then fades out to create a broken TL lamp.
- Moving one or more images to create special effects like clouds or fire instead of a big GIF or APNG.
- A moving vehicle (f.e. a Jetplane),  with APNG or GIF you would need an image as wide as the map and a lot of frames to make it look good/smooth but that would be very inefficient and would most likely create lag.

Made new topic for this : http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=32061.0
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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2009, 07:40:05 pm »
It'd be nice to have flickering lamps for once.
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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2009, 02:56:54 pm »
F12!

All the advantages of animated sceneries have been discussed in other threads.
GIFs are better than nothing, but APNG will help you go past limits that GIF has.
For those worried about map size - im sure that good mappers will consider that. Otherwise mapper's most likely a noob and the map isn't worth downloading. If you're worried about fps - dont forget that you can turn off animations completely. Animated sceneries don't create internet lag.

Exactly. That's how we should look at such ideas.

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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2009, 07:37:56 pm »
..f11

I mean can't you just imagine the lag ><


this is true and if there is one thing i hate its lag
What's wrong with you, good graphics don't lie in animation, it's shadows/highlights/reflections/raycasting/dynamic lighting and all that s**t that constitute good graphics....

Yeah I agree. I like Soldat as it is.
I think better graphic will make it loose his charm, specially animations.



it would be really great if you could use it right like just for miner details like a flickering flame on a torch or a flickering light or other lil things like that

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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2009, 01:17:29 am »
Their is no reason it should lag a significant amount more than gifs, plus as far as I know there will be an option of animation anyways so if you have a slow computer it can be disabled. I f12 it, soldat's community needs some more eyecandy to keep alive when link-dead and berserker come out.

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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2009, 06:35:02 am »
Hey I'm looking on apng editor, but no ff add-on, I dont use firefox.

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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2009, 06:41:45 am »
F12 ofc, I want .apng   ...and 500 mb scenery folder.. sure thing

.apng: http://www.treebuilder.de/default.asp?file=89031.xml

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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2009, 07:53:32 am »
F11 if theres lag. F12, if theres no lag.
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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2009, 08:22:33 am »
F12. I just learnt what they are and Oh my god F12.

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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2009, 08:27:31 am »

Imagine the water, clouds, and surroundings we could make

It's not possible to make this kind of shading without .apng is it?
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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2009, 08:38:52 am »
Will it depend on Video card or soldat engine lagwise? And not until 1.5.2 will I want to see any additions, it'll shut the n00bs up.

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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2009, 08:49:29 am »
Just look at my avvy:


I'd use it if its size would be less than 50kb, but it's 5 times bigger.
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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2009, 09:15:48 am »
Just look at my avvy:


I'd use it if its size would be less than 50kb, but it's 5 times bigger.
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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2009, 09:27:25 am »
glad to hear that

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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #37 on: May 18, 2009, 04:01:31 pm »
So what program You use niko for apng edit?

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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #38 on: May 18, 2009, 04:04:23 pm »
Paint.NET... then using the apng assembler and it makes the animation.

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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2009, 01:03:46 am »
Wow this is mad...just there is no lag!!! I hope it does get implemented!
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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2009, 01:50:19 am »
Shame google chrome doesn't support apng .. yet. F12

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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #41 on: November 18, 2012, 07:21:09 pm »
I want this!
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Re: APNG support in soldat?
« Reply #42 on: November 19, 2012, 11:16:02 am »
Besides APNG, I would want the normal gifs to work in full effect as well. Meaning for instance, no randomly coloured backgrounds, no disappearing frames or some other weird shit.
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