Soldat is NOT Real Life!

[STM1993]

I'm getting quite annoyed at people saying "Soldat must be made realistic". Let's make a list that shows how Soldat is unrealistic, shall we?

1. The ACTUAL firing rate of the weapons goes as follows:
MP5 - 800rpm = 4.5 ticks
Aug - 680-850rpm = 5.29-4.23 ticks
AK-74 - 650rpm = 5.54 ticks
Ruger - It's a bolt-action rifle, not a semi-automatic
Barrett - It's a semi-automatic, so it should be able to fire faster.
XM214 - 10,000rpm = 0.36 ticks

FN Minimi:
700-1150rpm = 5.14-3.13 ticks
680-800rpm = 5.29-4.5 ticks

M2 Browning Machine Gun (Turret):
450-600rpm = 8-6 ticks
750-850rpm = 4.8-4.23 ticks
1200rpm = 3 ticks

2. You CAN'T hold an actual XM214 Minigun together with all the ammunition and battery, let alone fire it. It weighs 15kg by itself, has a peak recoil of 110kg (240lbs). If you're thinking about Hollywood in the movie "Predator" and Blain, the actor was wearing a whole load of protective equipment, had a small battery hidden in his pants, and fired blanks.

3. The Barrett M82A1 is a semi-automatic ANTI-TANK sniper rifle that fires .50BMG caliber rounds. So if you actually get shot by a Barrett, you'd not only die, your body will be blasted backwards. And it should be able to penetrate and kill you EVEN if you have a bulletproof vest! Plus, it's recoil is so great that if you tried firing it standing or in mid-air, you'd probably be blasted backwards yourself.

(EDIT: My mistake, it's an ANTI-MATERIAL sniper rifle. And the info here for the Barrett is NOT accurate.)

4. The Ruger 77 is a bolt-action rimfire hunting rifle, using bullets of .22 Long Rifle or .22 WMR or .22 Hornet. It uses a removable rotary magazine that can hold (according the the type of bullets it holds stated above) 10+1, 9+1 and 6+1 rounds respectively. The Ruger has no sights ; it's intended to be used with a scope. Soldat's Ruger has no scope.

5. The Franchi Spas-12 is a shotgun, which can be fired either by pumping or is gas-operated (semi-automatic) selectively. It uses 12 gauge rounds, weighs 4.4kg and it would typically hold 8+1 rounds. Rate of fire is 4 rounds per second if fired semi-automatically. Soldat's is obviously manually pumped rather than semi-automatic.

6. I've no idea what pistol is the USSOCOM, but it is definitely a pistol adopted by the US SOCOM's Offensive Handgun Weapon System program and the "USSOCOM" is not its real name. If I'm not wrong, it is a HK Mk.23 mod.0, and if that's the case, it is a double-action pistol and fires .45ACP rounds and has a magazine capacity of 12 rounds.

7. Tell me, what's a chainsaw for? It's to chop down trees for lumber. Why would a soldier carry a big, bulky, noisy, dangerous chainsaw around to saw wood and kill people when he can use a knife or a machete?

8. There are no such thing as jet boots and it would definitely make you extremely heavy if you'd consider how bulky the boots have to be, the fuel etc. Even so, how can every soldier be equipped with them? If you're talking about an actual jetpack, the military doesn't use them for many reasons.

9. Grenades do not explode when they hit you directly...

10. A human can't backflip while in mid-air unless he can really produce that insane amount of force to slow down his fall or even lift yourself in mid-air. He'd need jets, but as said, soldiers don't have jet boots.

11. Some of these guns are really heavy, such as the XM214 and the Barrett. How can you run around with them so quickly, be extremely agile, and yet be able to shoot them with perfect accuracy?

12. The Barrett and the LAW do not have a startup time...

13. The helmet would have given you extra protection against headshots.

14. I bet a soldier would get extremely tired trying to hop forward to travel instead of running/walking, which is a lot faster than hopping.

15. A human soldier can't jump about thrice his height.

16. A simple wound can become fatal. If you are injured with blood all over you, you can bleed to death.

17. John Rambo didn't have self-regenerative abilities when he used his Bow. Neither can ordinary humans auto-heal with a bow.

18. Think about this: You pick up a red box. Suddenly, you get high blood pressure, your arteries burst, you are bleeding everywhere with blood spraying out, and you're not only stronger, your guns suddenly have more firepower than they usually have - your 9mm bullet becomes as powerful as a .50 caliber bullet. That can't be possible. You'd be dead by loss of blood and of a heart attack and a stroke.

19. You can't possibly pick up a box that suddenly turns you invisible. Not only that, how can your gun's firing be completely silent as well?

20. Thou art mortal. Picking up a box makes you invincible? That's not possible either.

21. Fancy having a scope on the Steyr Aug and not being able to use it.

22. The LAW has almost no recoil (good read it up), while the Barrett is supposed to have really high recoil because it's an anti-tank sniper. But in Realistic mode? That isn't really the case. The Barrett has 0 recoil recently.


Need I mention more? Soldat is a game, not real life, plus Soldat is not meant to be realistic.

Did I miss out anything? Post here and let me know!



EDIT:
Before you think I'm against suggestions to make Soldat realistic, please read this:

Limited ammo is one popular demand when it comes to further realism for Soldat. Honestly, I think it'd be nice to see more options for the Realistic game, but I'm just sick of those trying to turn NORMAL into REALISTIC.

^ You obviously haven't read this.

I was pretty pissed too when I typed this thread. Now I'm not pissed at all. I don't mind suggestions on being realistic, I encourage it in fact, I just don't like to see how people want to change the classical Normal mode into Realistic, when there's already a Realistic mode in Soldat and the ideas should go there.

I'm not talking about modding here. I'm talking about the default, actual Soldat.

I encourage any suggestions, even realistic, but please realize that there is a Realistic mode, and suggestions for realism should go there.

[Samuelfuenza]

you cant shoot a barret when u are in the air

[SpiltCoffee]

Soldat is 2D, whereas real life is 3D. That should stop them.

[Ellimist]

Wow, nice research!

But who realy cares, Soldat is a game, games arent real 

[echo_trail]

I definitely see your point, and I agree 100%. However, there's this gamemode called "realisticmode", that supposedly supports a number of real life factors, such as bink, increased impact damamge and the line of sight feature. Some of the more radical ideas about ingame realism are really far out, and I can see why they would cause you to lose your mind about'em. But some ideas are really quite fitting in terms of realistic mode, and so I think we should let people post their little ideas.

[croat1gamer]

actually, the barret has no recoil if you are proning because it has (i dont know how to explain this exactly) and tank like barrel, which takes all the recoil, so it actually has no recoil

flamer can shoot only for a 2-3 seconds, not the whole time, and you cant actually reload it, you would need to get a new canister with fuel

the law is and stop, shoot and drop weapon, no reload

cluster grenades- lol, is there anyone who uses them?

all maps with flags- WTF DO FLAGS IN WARS???

fn minimi has 100 bullets (or a clip with 30 bullets)

roll with fully equipment and gun, only if you want to break your neck

i think that deagles cant reload so fast, cause its 2 pistols

there is no cake

the bullet drop, if it is in rl so big, than really

spraying, HOW MUCH CLIPS DOES THE SOLDIER HAVE??? infinite number of clips is very hard, hes got in himself an ammo factory

there is no respawn

you dont have an icon which shows how much health and ammo you have in rl

you can get hurt after you hit a wall when bunny hopping in it

you cant throw nades that fast

a single knife hit and kills you, while a deagles shot doesnt except its a headshot

a headshot is an instant kill, no matter which weapon hits you (well, it must have real bullets)

you cant prone in mid air

but i agree with echo and eliminist

[STM1993]

^ Nice one croat1. Btw, you CAN prone in mid-air - heard of "sky diving"? =P

Mmm, that's true echo. Limited ammo is one popular demand when it comes to further realism for Soldat. Honestly, I think it'd be nice to see more options for the Realistic game, but I'm just sick of those trying to turn NORMAL into REALISTIC.

[echo_trail]

Agreed.. as realistic is becoming more and more of an independant gamemode with a growing community, I think it's time we develope soldat to fit it as well. Normalmode will remain normalmode in any case.

[Rook_PL]

It feels like you're convincing yourself
AD 3. Barret is not antitank weapon. You can say it's designed for destroying enemy light vehicles or machines, but it's not antitank (I know manual says so, but MM doesn't know shit about guns).
AD 9. It depends on grenade, there are ones that explode when hit anything is their way, but I see what you mean - they can't explode when hit a person AND lay 3 sec. when hit ground...
AD 21. Standard Steyr AUG scope has magnification 1x so it doesn't really magnify anything.
AD 22. That's why you can't fire while standing -> it would knock you off. Search for it on Youtube, I've seen it.
Another: Colliders. A space that bullets can't pass but players can is ridiculous.

[Ragnaros]

ZOMG! amazing research! *thumbs up* but you missed clusters
and DEADLIEST knife which is onehit-onekill (in da feet lol)

edit:oh croat1gamer said about it

does anybody remember full mod "HARDWAR:TACTICS"? the maniac-author of that mod had tried to make soldat very close to rl... i cant describe this, just check this out http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=1661.0 it seems to be out of the date but try to search for it in search bar at filefront.com and you will find it

ps: 2/3 part of your post can be used to make a REAListic mod, as hardcore as its possible))))))))))))) maybe someone wants to try?)))

[Ragnaros]

It feels like you're convincing yourself
AD 3. Barret is not antitank weapon. You can say it's designed for destroying enemy light vehicles or machines, but it's not antitank (I know manual says so, but MM doesn't know s**t about guns).
AD 9. It depends on grenade, there are ones that explode when hit anything is their way, but I see what you mean - they can't explode when hit a person AND lay 3 sec. when hit ground...
AD 21. Standard Steyr AUG scope has magnification 1x so it doesn't really magnify anything.
AD 22. That's why you can't fire while standing -> it would knock you off. Search for it on Youtube, I've seen it.
Another: Colliders. A space that bullets can't pass but players can is ridiculous.

200% hit !!! f12 agree agree agree
heh almost. barret IS the antitank weapon.

sry for double post! sry sry plz dont slap me too hard PLZ! *jus jkin*

[Leo]

And finally you don't RESPAWN in real life. You stay dead. Game Over! 

p.s It's just a game, if you wanna full realism you should die, or at least stay down, with one bullet from every weapon. Where's the fun in it ?

[Sir Jeremy]

The Barrett M82A1 is a semi-automatic ANTI-TANK sniper rifle that fires .50BMG caliber rounds. So if you actually get shot by a Barrett, you'd not only die, your body will be blasted backwards. And it should be able to penetrate and kill you EVEN if you have a bulletproof vest! Plus, it's recoil is so great that if you tried firing it standing or in mid-air, you'd probably be blasted backwards yourself.

Oh, that's why my enemies heads always fall all over the map.
@Rook pl: "Barret is not an anti tank weapon".  I've wondered about this before too, how can a barret take out a tank? o.O

Good point thought STM.  Soldat is not supposed to be a realistic game, and the weapons are not like real weapons..

Normalmode will remain normalmode in any case.

Right on bro!

[LtKillroy]

Ya know what else. Realism is boring. Lets face it. No one wants to be a realistic soldier with realistic everything, they want a flying magic exploding psycho (see: nature of Soldat) Games with more realism are more boring than games that are completely unrealistic.

The barret is for taking out light armor, either destroying the engine or penetrating the armor and having the bullet kill the driver (or any other of the pretty vital crew) or bouncing around and killing more than one. Especially if it shoots like incendiary rounds or something.

[Espadon]

Barrett is anti-materiel, not anti-tank. In WWII it could have been anti-tank, but nowadays tank armor is way too thick.

[Platehead]

Joo know what I'm very good at backflips and somersaults while holding a chainsaw close to my body without falling on it or caning myself, and a grenade blowing up in my face - nothing to worry about.

To be honest, the reason I play soldat is because of its unrealism

[Blue-ninja]

2. You CAN'T hold an actual XM214 Minigun together with all the ammunition and battery, let alone fire it. It weighs 15kg by itself, has a peak recoil of 110kg (240lbs). If you're thinking about Hollywood in the movie "Predator" and Blain, the actor was wearing a whole load of protective equipment, had a small battery hidden in his pants, and fired blanks.

This alone should have made the game unrealistic enough. What the hell, we've got little pixellated guys that are buffer than Schwarzenegger JETTING around with these guns

[ZomgProniss]

these guys arent buff.... what mods do u have

[SpiltCoffee]

Ya know what else. Realism is boring. Lets face it. No one wants to be a realistic soldier with realistic everything, they want a flying magic exploding psycho (see: nature of Soldat) Games with more realism are more boring than games that are completely unrealistic.

QFT. The whole point of a game is to be able to do something that you usually can't in real life.

[chutem]

Uhhh, im pretty sure that the barrett has been used against tanks, they shoot the tank treads and the fall off and then the tank is a sitting duck, easy to get rid of.