End all M79 discussions

[Platehead]

But yeh for now, this thread is making people talk about the M79, so we should lock it.  Not that it'd stop it, but y'know.. and anyway, people are gettin sick of it I reckon

[demoniac93]

lock it, even i through all i've been reading bout the m79 got sick of it, and i won't whine anymore, from now on if an "m79 noob" ever gets in my way i'll learn to ignore the annoyance of getting killed by that wep and dodge it better with practice...as for me using it i doubt it'll ever happen unless i happen to pick one up while walking un-armed...

[adam01526]

Why start a discussion then???

This thread was originally intended to be just a poll, but because people decided to start posting, it became a discussion.

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I'm kind of tired of M79 posts, so I'm gonna do my best to end the argument.

I really don't want to see any replies to this(unless it's about an option in the poll that you think should be up there),because I don't care, and the first reply someone gives I will personally quote and ask you if you read this post.

Just please vote.

i had realised that but surely he would have realised that it is such a contraversail subject that people would post anyway regardless of what he said.

[SDFilm]

Noob Tube- It's not overpowered, it's just damn cheap.

[Gnoblar]

Noob Tube- It's not overpowered, it's just damn cheap.

My thoughts exactly. It's like many Explosive weapons. In Halo 3, the nubtub is balanced, but very cheap. It's just a cheap way of getting kills, but ti can be fun. I like the M79 as it is. I'd liek to see it fire flaming explosive arrows though 

[demoniac93]

Noob Tube- It's not overpowered, it's just damn cheap.

My thoughts exactly. It's like many Explosive weapons. In Halo 3, the nubtub is balanced, but very cheap. It's just a cheap way of getting kills, but ti can be fun. I like the M79 as it is. I'd liek to see it fire flaming explosive arrows though 

We don't want another Flame Bow...

[AntiHero]

I see it perfectly fine I have no problem with m79 almost all the weapons kick its ass autos kick it ass and sniper to so yeah No problem for me here

[Gnoblar]

We don't want another Flame Bow...

Yeah I know, but the missiles/arrows look so much cooler.

[Trivium]

It should be extremely nerfed or removed....

I prefer to play servers that disable it.

[M@NU]

I always use M79 because, i don't know...it get me more exited because as the sniper u have just one shoot b4 'reply' so u have to be more accurate and careful.
..because if you fail, you die.

[Gnoblar]

One-hit killers are n00b magnets. My servers have no M79 anyway.

[Tai]

One-hit killers are n00b magnets. My servers have no M79 anyway.

Yet pros can skewer you with AK, Steyr, knife, Barret etc, right as soon as you spawn.

The people whining about M79 are a bunch of babies. If you're good enough, you can overcome any weapon in Soldat. No weapon's overpowered against a player that knows what they're doing.

[scarface09]

M79 is an actually hard weapon to use when you're far away from your oponent. It does sometimes have its lock on feature although that mainly gets taken into account when your close to ur enemy. Leave it in the game, it's fun to see them miss and own them.

[STM1993]

it's fun to see them miss and own them.

Until they start spamming nades at you, which happens more than 90% of the time =P

Of course, if you had been keeping your distance, then you'd be pretty safe.

[smiluu]

Its ten times easier to shoot with automatic guns, since you can follow your aim with previously shot bullets. That's one of the basic aiming styles which doesn't need much aiming skills in the very end.
However if you're using single shots such as barret or m79 - its alot harder, because it's shot and reload- then meanwhile you've already lost the track of previous bullet (if something is interrupting your focus, which is usually the case).

I personally think automatic guns are cheap, needs less skill.

[STM1993]

Autos are easy to aim with, because you have a lot of bullets and a fast-firing rate, helping you guide your aim a bit if your first shot was inaccurate. However, you need to have concentrated fire because each bullet does a very small amount damage - and you can't perform effective pot-shots as a result.

1-hitters are easy to kill with (therefore considered cheap) because all you need to do is actually, point-and-click once, and if you are accurate, good for you. However, if you miss, you're dead, but this is not always true when you have grenades.

The reason why people find the M79 cheaper than any other weapon is because:
1) It kills in 1-hit - it's a 1-hitter. It's explosive too, which means it has AOE damage and it can kill in direct hit even with a vest.
2) Given a certain range, chances are, you will DEFINITELY hit (this causes people to go kamikaze). The M79 is actually not that hard to aim with.
3) There is no startup time, unlike Barrett.
4) M79 is anti-nade (explodes in contact with grenades, can be used to kill enemies or boost yourself), but it is also highly supported by nades: when M79ers reload, chances are, they'd spam nades + if it is a rather tight place (especially in nade spawns), they can spam a lot of nades and then blast a M79 to the group of nades.
5) Its delay is shorter than the Barrett (unless you keep backflipping etc)
6) They're arguably deadlier than the Spas in close quarters and are extremely annoying in large groups (try playing inf_Industrial and servers with everyone using M79s, you'll know what I mean)

So arguably, I'd say that the M79 is probably just as easy to use as autos.

[smiluu]

Yes, m79 has advantages in tight places. Oppositely automatics has no change at all.
And automatics has advantages in open places. Oppositely m79 has no change at all.
Would it be cool if automatics would have advantages in both tight and open places?

You got some point there, but people calls m79 cheap, noobish etc. oh and there's also that explosive effect, wich is "NOOB".
Is people forgetting grenades? They use nades themselves all the time. Everyone uses nades. You can even spill 3 nades in the same time when m79 is reloading.Its also common, to spill eight nades and rush after with automatic gun, knowing that nades has made atleast some damage to them.  Most of people does kamikazes with nades too. According to this the thousands of claims of m79's noobishness is just self made hatred towards m79. Apparently LAW is a pro gun, because you need aim with it? Its the same fecking case, it just flews straight and I'd call that ten times cheaper. Also you can kamikaze with law and do the similiar "lame tight place shots" too. Oh and law has the explosive effect too, if you didn't know that.

Hay guys, I hate mp5, i think mp5 is the worst gun in this planet, does anyone give a s**t really?

[STM1993]

However, the LAW requires you to sit on the ground and has a very long reload, and most fights happen in mid-air. That cripples it a lot already, very unlike nades and M79s. I didn't forget nades, I mentioned how they support the M79 very greatly, but it is clear that they also support other weapons, just more or less depending on the weapon used. For example, nades would work better with an Aug than with a Barrett.

Also, from the way you type it, it seems you also have blind-hatred against autos in the same way how some have blind-hatred for the M79. Notice how all these hatred comes about because people regard a weapon as too easy yet efficient to use. People say that the explosive power makes the M79 "easy and cheap", you say that the simplicity in aiming autos makes them "easy and cheap".

Whatever it is, I'm pretty much done, you have a point there at least. It doesn't really matter whether a weapon is easier to use or not as long as they are balanced. Unfortunately, a number of weapons aren't balanced or are difficult to balance, plus possible biases from every Soldat player which makes things harder.



I think the autos and M79 are fine. They're just easy to use but balanced.

Nades are a different story though - easy to use but too powerful.

[smiluu]

it seems you also have blind-hatred against autos

No I love all the guns, I'm just siding with m79 here.

[ValiS]

I think its fine. If a player uses it all the time, he becomes very predictable: you just have to lower your speed, so that you spot him from a further distance and have time to react, then keep that distance and hes pretty much helpless. Of course its very annoying if its smth like 5 vs 3 against you and the whole team is spawning you with m69s and capping, but this doesnt happen in decent servers anyway.

Actually what i wanted to point out is that i dont think you can say that m69 is always stronger in tight spaces. Take tunnels. If a tunnel is straight, then the m69r cant shoot you unless hes very close, and if you have an auto you dont even have to aim, just throw a nade so he´s rush is disrupted and spray him, hes helpless... If the tunnel is curved, then most times you can find a curve and ricochet him, usually this surprises people and gives you the upper hand. Of course its a different story if its not a tunnel but something like the middle part of ctf_Nuubia.

Anyway, you have to fool the m69r about your movement, move illogically, not in a line or arc, and you have at least a 50/50 chance of him missing, of course you have to predict when hes gonna shoot, which is easier if you play the m69 yourself sometimes.